What's the big deal? They're cheaper to make, and usually last longer. Example: The power windows in my mom's 1996 minivan don't work very well, the manual ones in my 1985 Ford pickup do.
Stop spazzing out because you have to un-lazy yourself enough to wind a window down. Also, if you can't afford a new car that has power windows, look used, there's no shame in owning an older car.
Owyn_Merrilin said:
And the inaccurate speedometer? How is a car with something like that even street legal? Honestly.
As long as it shows in increments of ten it doesn't take much brainpower to figure out how fast you're going. Quarter way past 10 would be roughly 12(12.5 if you want to be pedantic about it), halfway would be fifteen, derp-de-fuckin'-derp. I'm not sure why people need tick marks on their speedos for it. Hell, mine only has three marks! One under the numbers, one in between.
Look at my speedo. It goes up in spots of ten, with just one tick mark between each number. Yet, somehow, through either pure clairvoyance, a mastery of the Force, or perhaps just some basic goddamn math skills, I manage to keep my speeds within the limits on the signs, as evidenced by the lack of speeding tickets I have. Haven't even so much as been pulled over for speeding. Or anything, really.
Oh, and that's when my speedo was working. It no longer does, as evidenced by it being pegged while sitting still in that picture. It has been that way for two and a half years...I still haven't been pulled over for speeding, and using my smartphone's GPS speedo app I have confirmed I'm not just lucky on that one.[footnote]If the cig lighter worked I could use that app every time, but it doesn't and my phone's battery lasts just one hour with that app running, so I leave it off 99% of the time[/footnote]
tl;dr: You don't need a speedo with five bajillion tick marks on it to drive at a legal speed, just use some basic math and a little common sense. Or the Force, if you can't use that math and common sense. Honestly, if you need a speedo at all you're either unfit to drive that car or you haven't put more than a handful of miles on it, because it doesn't take long to get a feel for roughly how fast you're going without looking at the speedo at all.
Except that one tick mark is at the five mile an hour increment. The problem with the whole 8 tick marks total thing is if you were in, say, a 55 zone (really common in the US), you'd have a hard time telling whether you were actually going 55, or a mile or two under or over. It's especially bad for people who like to abuse the rule that lets you get away with 5 MPH over the speed limit in most cases.
Okay, that is ridiculous. Manual windows and side mirrors I can understand. Manual locks are a bit much, since the electronic version of those always has a manual backup, but it's not too big of a killer. Only one key-hole, though, not to mention all of the other crappy little things abut the car (no mirror in the visor, lacking adjustment options all over the place, no arm rest...) are just inexcusable. And the inaccurate speedometer? How is a car with something like that even street legal? Honestly. By the way, are you sure you didn't miscount? Because 9 tick marks not counting the zero and the 10 would be sufficient for an accurate reading. 8 total is just bizarre, not to mention unsafe, since speed limits tend to change in increments of 5, not 10.
I wish I took a photo, but sadly I did not, so all I have is my memory to go by at this point. The dash for the different upgrades is different, so I think this dash is exclusive to a DX version of the Versa, or whatever the lowest end would be. A quick google search didn't yield any photos that were blown up enough to check the hatch marks. It's weird too, because given ALL those issues, the car drove nicely, got amazing mileage (probably because everything was ripped out and it weighed 10lbs) and had wonderful turning abilities.
When you looked at it, though, it looked like a car from the late 90s/early 2000s until you notice the mileage was only 8k and then you realize it's a brand new rental. Then...you sad face.
It makes me hug my fully loaded Honda everyday though. A silver lining to the tale!
I like them for safety reasons. If I were to ever crash into water and the car was sinking, I'd be able to crank open the windows. If they were powered, the crash may have made them unable to be opened.
Hand crank windows in 2011 isn't such a worry for me. What I find totally unacceptable is cars having leaf spring suspension, especially cars that have over 500hp. That's just plain idiocy.
I like them for safety reasons. If I were to ever crash into water and the car was sinking, I'd be able to crank open the windows. If they were powered, the crash may have made them unable to be opened.
The only automatic gears that have a clear benefit over manuals are the CVTs types and they lack in reliability.
Then there is the whole subjective thing, automatics do not give the same feel of control as a manual does.
And automatics are more expensive.
I have electric windows on my car, and not gonna get a car with manual windows. No issue with electric windows in the UK.
If the window gets stuck, that's usually because the glass has been frozen in place... so just need to heat the car up and it unsticks ^^.
Yeah, there are cars out there without them, never assume anything is standard, and always best to try before you buy, just to make sure the car is indeed what you want.
A good case in point are also the Rumanian cars like the Dacias. These are DIRT cheap but functional, decent looking, perfectly safe and decently performancing cars. One of which I heard was going for about 3000 GBP, NEW.
I heard that at least, dunno how much truth is about it, but it seems reasonable, seeing just meat and potatoes engineering over high-industrialized max-efficiency tweaked construction factories. =p
electric windows are a double edged sword.
sure they make raising and lowering your windows easy (not that it was a challenge to begin with) but they add weight to the car and are a pain if they break.
Personally I don't care if the window right next to me uses a handle, but it's always a nuisance with hand-crank windows when I want to close or open a window on the passenger side while driving.
Hand crank windows in 2011 isn't such a worry for me. What I find totally unacceptable is cars having leaf spring suspension, especially cars that have over 500hp. That's just plain idiocy.
This logic is flawed. It's like walking around with a walkman because you prefer tapes. It's 2012 and we have ipods. It's 2012 and we have power windows.
Personally, I wouldn't be seen dead with an iPod for similar reasons. Power windows are a luxury, not a necessity. Power steering...more of a necessity.
Not everyone likes the idea of power windows. Say that you have your window down and all of the sudden there is a thunder shower. When you push the button to bring them up the power goes out or some such thing. Then you're left with a wet ass. That's why I prefer the hand crank. It happens more often than you might think.
Its called an "options" list. Then again, economy cars arent exactly for anything other than easy A-B transportation. You still use your hands for the steering wheel, its ok to use it for windows. Or, move up the make and model class, problem solved.
I admit there is an elemental of laziness, but the main turn off is the huge blow the interior appearance of the car takes. ... Why get a "new" car if I'm going to be downgrading on some aspects, I shouldn't have to downgrade on any.
I've never driven, and it's mainly because of attitudes like this.
In the items I treasure the most, I wouldn't label something a failure just because it does something differently.
It'd be like not eating a pizza because there's not enough pepperoni on it. The very first thing I'd consider is price - and the very last would be "how stylish it looks".
This logic is flawed. It's like walking around with a walkman because you prefer tapes. It's 2012 and we have ipods. It's 2012 and we have power windows.
And walkmans don't have advantages? If you're on a bus and your iPod dies, tough. If you have a pencil and some patience when your walkman dies, you can keep listening.
And if I prefer tapes, then there's no "flawed logic" in having a walkman. iPods don't play tapes, you know.
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