Fallout: New Vegas Factions Won't Be "Black and White"

Andy Chalk

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Fallout: New Vegas Factions Won't Be "Black and White"


Factions in Fallout: New Vegas [http://www.amazon.com/Fallout-New-Vegas-Collectors-Pc/dp/B003N0YCDA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1284143898&sr=8-4] won't be "black and white," says Pete Hines of Bethesda, a fact that will be reflected in the player's actions and interactions with NPCs throughout the game.

The thing about the fall of civilization is that by definition, it means the end of civilized behavior. No more politeness, no more good table manners, no more deference to people who are richer or more attractive than you are; all those courtesies that we take for granted in our everyday lives are pretty much out the window. Which isn't to say that everyone in the world will suddenly turn chaotic evil, but when the entire planet is a post-nuclear toilet bowl, sometimes even folks who want to do good have to be bad.

"You've got two main factions in the game fighting for control over the Mojave wasteland, NCR and Caesar's Legion," Hines told Planet Fallout [http://planetfallout.gamespy.com/articles/features/1852/Pete-Hines-Interviewed-By-Planet-Fallout]. "We've tried to have everything in Fallout: New Vegas not to be so black and white. 'These are the good guys these are the bad guys, if you join with these guys you are bad, if you join with these guys you are good.' It's not quite that cut and dry. When you talk to folks, things you are doing may feel a bit more evil or feel more good guy, but you can join either side and help their cause in terms of helping them buy more control of the wasteland."

Aside from affecting your own sense of personal morality, your actions in support of one faction or the other will also have an impact on the whole of the Mojave desert. "There are a lot of smaller factions in the wasteland that may be neutral in terms of which way they are leaning," he continued. "And working through some of those factions and how they act, or the quests that you do for them, or how you resolve things related to those smaller factions as well as those larger factions, you're kind of helping chart the course of what is going to happen in the Mojave and who is going to win."

I loved Fallout 3 [http://www.amazon.com/Fallout-3-Game-Year-Pc/dp/B002BXKJA0/ref=sr_1_5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1284144009&sr=1-5] but I can't recall a single instance in which I did something really bad to someone who didn't deserve it. I was never entirely clear on what was so bad about the Enclave, either. I'm looking forward to having a little more discretion in that regard when I finally hit the Strip.

Fallout: New Vegas comes out on October 19 for the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.


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Buizel91

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Well that's good news, Im glad it wont be "join this to be bad...Join this to be good"

Seems like another Purchase in my books, GOD DAMN YOU OBSIDIAN!
 
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I have no doubt Obsidian will do far better than Bethesda in terms of RPG aspects and story.

However the game will most likely have even more bugs, which would actually be some kind of accomplishment.
 

Flying-Emu

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Is it still an option to kill everything and everyone in sight?

And does that count as evil? I mean, they won't make up their mind if they're good or evil, and indecision is baaaaaaaaaaaad.
Irridium said:
I have no doubt Obsidian will do far better than Bethesda in terms of RPG aspects and story.

However the game will most likely have even more bugs, which would actually be some kind of accomplishment.
Even if the game has bugs crawling out its ass, as long as they release the source code, I'm sure modders will make the game worth playing within a few months.
 

Swaki

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"I was never entirely clear on what was so bad about the Enclave, either."

Never played Fallout 2?, i cant remember if 3 did a good job of describing their evulness i was just on auto pilot from the second game, in that they kill a ton of your allies, enslave people and intelligent creatures to do experiments that would make the Nazi scientist from wolfenstein go green with envy and try and murder everyone on the planet who isnt them.

also they have a giant mutant in a power armor walking around killing random people just for the fun of it until the nerds of the enclave get to the whole murdering everyone ever plan.

of course its not all that black and white, the president actually does a good job making his plan and action sound reasonable and logic, i still alien blasted his ass, he did still plan on killing my family and everyone i ever knew.
 

icyneesan

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Hopefully the quests will give out better rewards this time around. I don't remember getting a lot of awesome gear from doing the main game quests or even the side quests in Fallout 3 :\

arc1991 said:
Seems like another Purchase in my books, GOD DAMN YOU OBSIDIAN!
The evil of Obsidian Entertainment strikes again!
 

Woodsey

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Andy Chalk said:
I was never entirely clear on what was so bad about the Enclave, either.
Didn't they want to enslave the populace by controlling the water supply? That's what I thought it was at least.
 

Buizel91

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icyneesan said:
Hopefully the quests will give out better rewards this time around. I don't remember getting a lot of awesome gear from doing the main game quests or even the side quests in Fallout 3 :\

arc1991 said:
Seems like another Purchase in my books, GOD DAMN YOU OBSIDIAN!
The evil of Obsidian Entertainment strikes again!
Unfortunately, it's a good evil =\
 

Ignatz_Zwakh

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I hope the game lives up to that statement. While moral choice systems are fun, too often they boil down to "Be an absolute douche" or "Be Jesus Christ".
 

DeadlyYellow

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Woodsey said:
Andy Chalk said:
I was never entirely clear on what was so bad about the Enclave, either.
Didn't they want to enslave the populace by controlling the water supply? That's what I thought it was at least.
It was an absurd notion fitting into the overall idiocy of the main story. The entire thing was undercut by the fact that it is very easy to get pure drinking water.

I still have my doubts about it, though as long as they drop the karmic shift for petty theft it will be an improvement.
 

Icehearted

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Um, anyone remember all those great Radiant AI tidbits we'd gotten before Oblivion came out? My advice, wait and see before you buy into a word of what he or anyone else has to say. Spinning this as favorably as possible means we can't expect them to be honest and upfront with any kind of flaws found in this game.

Personally, I just with they'd leave things like this open-ended enough so that those gifted modders than improve upon Bethesda games in countless way can do what these people can't.
 

HK_01

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You're doing this on purpose, aren't you? This whole "Black and White" stuff in so many news articles?

[sup]In case you're confused, I'm a huge B&W fan and reading that reminds me how sad it is there's no B&W3 and it stings my heart every time[/sup]