Hitman: Plan B
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Considering that the entire basis of this game is to skillfully murder people, I'd stay that person at IGN has their wires crossed.
Also, considering that some of Agent 47's previous missions have involved obese butchers at fetish parties, porn barons at christmas shindigs, and anarchists in bird costumes, this isn't even the oddest thing I've seen in a Hitman game.
Also, considering that some of Agent 47's previous missions have involved obese butchers at fetish parties, porn barons at christmas shindigs, and anarchists in bird costumes, this isn't even the oddest thing I've seen in a Hitman game.
While it's not quite the attack against women some have seen it as, it certainly is dumb and, assuming the shock value was intentional (why wouldn't it be?) really quite pathetic. Is this how videogame advertising is always going to be? Are we going to see 47 strangling a baby in the next trailer to rile up the controversey machine?
Controversy sells apparently. At least that's what the marketing team takes away from the likes of Modern Warfare. First the nuke, then the airport terrorism, then the...whatever it was in #3. Chemical bombs in London? Yeah, that. Then Treyarch went and got a war criminal to advertise Black Ops 2, which I think was the most preordered game in history?Secret world leader (shhh) said:
It's hard to argue with numbers like those. I don't like it any better than you, but the numbers game is not in our favour.
Kill a man: regular day at work.
Kill a women: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!?!
Why is this still a thing? =|
Also, great comic. I would love to play a game where mostly naked women with nipple tassels wielding uzis jump out of cakes and try to kill me.
Kill a women: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!?!
Why is this still a thing? =|
Also, great comic. I would love to play a game where mostly naked women with nipple tassels wielding uzis jump out of cakes and try to kill me.
I'm not sure if I would say, "controversy sells" but it certainly doesn't hurt.Amnestic said:
If you get a lot of people talking about something, then that is positive marketing. It doesn't matter if they are talking about how bad it is or how good it is, it is a good thing for a lot of people to be talking about your product. Obviously you want people to say good things about your product, but I'd rather 10,000 people talking shit about my product, than 10 people talking about how good it is.
Its like how a lot of the big threads I have seen (big meaning: a shit-ton of posts) have been about controversial topics.
Or its like the difference between saying "I really like Metroid Prime" and "Metroid: Other M is the best Metroid game ever".
The internet Humans have always been weird in the regard that there will always be more people willing to disagree with you and tell you how wrong you are, compared to the amount of people agreeing with you and telling you how right you are.
What gets me is there is only logical reason why there would be rubber nuns attacking. They must have just come from the escapist 4th July party and been listening to Yahtzee and decided to take out various game characters. I can believe that, after I saw that photo of guy in welsh dragon costume doing something eye watering to a person dressed as Nathan Fillion at last years party.
Its a matter of context and empowerment/dis-empowerment really. A woman portrayed as a vicious gangland boss who has people killed on a whim? I don't think people will bat an eyelid at her being assassinated. And I don't have a problem fighting female enemies portrayed as capable fighters.Torrasque said:
Fighting women who's defining characteristic is fetish gear? Thats a little uncomfortable. Why couldn't they be dressed in, say, mafia-esque black suits and shades? And that poster linked in the blurb, of the beautiful woman in a sexy outfit, and a 'pretty little headshot' combined with the subtitle of the advert is really not good.
Huh, evidently the message needs to be more overt.
[HEADING=1]IT IS NOT THAT WOMEN DIED IN THE AD, IT'S BECAUSE THEY FELT THE NEED TO SEXUALIZE THE WOMEN DYING THAT IS THE CAUSE OF CONTROVERSY!![/HEADING]
Can we stop with the fucking 'if it were men you wouldn't be angry' bullshit now? Because if it were men, then they wouldn't be being sexualized!! Which is the reason that there was a controversy!
My god I can't believe so many people can read the woman's article and completely miss the point that she made over and over again and instead make up an argument born of their own imagination and diminish it.
Can you say 'Straw man in pathetic attempt to portray wounded puppy routine'?
I've already made a massive post on this so I'll leave the link for it:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.376929-My-views-on-the-controversy-over-the-new-Hitman-trailer?page=2#14702444
No offence Grey, but I'd hoped you of all people would have a better understanding of what the issue was. I like your work, it's pretty smart and well done for the most part and I like the character Erin Stout that you created, I just don't like it when people add to the fire rather than put it out.
EDIT: Oh never mind, just saw that you quote mined one out-of-context section of her argument and didn't leave a link to the article for people check. I'm just going to leave a link and leave a quote from her article:
"Let?s be clear here: the problem is not that Agent 47 is graphically murdering a group of women, though that?s pretty nasty. It?s that it fetishizes the violence and sexualises the women, drawing a clear line between sex and graphic violence that makes the trailer really distressing to watch, and leaves you questioning who the hell it?s designed to appeal to."
Source:http://au.ign.com/articles/2012/05/30/opinion-what-the-hell-is-with-that-hitman-trailer
EDIT: Also she doesn't project an ideology onto the ad, that bit about them 'deserving it' was just a passing reference.
[HEADING=1]IT IS NOT THAT WOMEN DIED IN THE AD, IT'S BECAUSE THEY FELT THE NEED TO SEXUALIZE THE WOMEN DYING THAT IS THE CAUSE OF CONTROVERSY!![/HEADING]
Can we stop with the fucking 'if it were men you wouldn't be angry' bullshit now? Because if it were men, then they wouldn't be being sexualized!! Which is the reason that there was a controversy!
My god I can't believe so many people can read the woman's article and completely miss the point that she made over and over again and instead make up an argument born of their own imagination and diminish it.
Can you say 'Straw man in pathetic attempt to portray wounded puppy routine'?
I've already made a massive post on this so I'll leave the link for it:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.376929-My-views-on-the-controversy-over-the-new-Hitman-trailer?page=2#14702444
No offence Grey, but I'd hoped you of all people would have a better understanding of what the issue was. I like your work, it's pretty smart and well done for the most part and I like the character Erin Stout that you created, I just don't like it when people add to the fire rather than put it out.
EDIT: Oh never mind, just saw that you quote mined one out-of-context section of her argument and didn't leave a link to the article for people check. I'm just going to leave a link and leave a quote from her article:
"Let?s be clear here: the problem is not that Agent 47 is graphically murdering a group of women, though that?s pretty nasty. It?s that it fetishizes the violence and sexualises the women, drawing a clear line between sex and graphic violence that makes the trailer really distressing to watch, and leaves you questioning who the hell it?s designed to appeal to."
Source:http://au.ign.com/articles/2012/05/30/opinion-what-the-hell-is-with-that-hitman-trailer
EDIT: Also she doesn't project an ideology onto the ad, that bit about them 'deserving it' was just a passing reference.
TO be fair, 47 does seem to attract alot of scantily clad female assassins that want to kill him.
The butt cheek tattoo assassin at the Playboy Christmas party.
The Crazy Crow Lady of New Orleans
And the Angle of High End Las Vegas Parties Who Cannot Sing for Digity.
It therefore does not surprise me to see this in the trailer. Would it really be better for 47 to be accosted by the Normal Suit Wearing Assassins Guild of Bland Stereotypes?
What I can see people being justifiably angry about is the lack of the Hitman feel, although I do think that showing such a thing like that off in a trailer would be rather dull.
The butt cheek tattoo assassin at the Playboy Christmas party.
The Crazy Crow Lady of New Orleans
And the Angle of High End Las Vegas Parties Who Cannot Sing for Digity.
It therefore does not surprise me to see this in the trailer. Would it really be better for 47 to be accosted by the Normal Suit Wearing Assassins Guild of Bland Stereotypes?
What I can see people being justifiably angry about is the lack of the Hitman feel, although I do think that showing such a thing like that off in a trailer would be rather dull.
I had to read this a few times to understand what you were saying, but I don't think it is your fault. I kind of haven't slept in 24 hours and am only awake because of cool jazz and MonsterOniaPL said:
You realize I am kidding right? I am making fun of the people who consider the gender of the person being killed (or doing the killing) an important factor. I really don't see the difference between a woman trying to kill someone and a man trying to kill someone.
Sure I may consider the woman in tight leather pants, sexier than the man in tight leather pants, but that is a different thing, lol.
You know what would be a really amusing game to play?Windknight said:
A game where the clothing of the male enemies and female enemies were all swapped. So you get a normal game made by Ubisoft or something, any game where the women all have 10cm of clothing and the men have enough clothing for 3 guys, and then you swap them.
So all the women are in suits or look really gruff, and the men are in tight revealing clothing and make-up.
I think it would be hilarious and very enlightening. It would have to be made by Suda 51 though, I think he's the only guy who would be able to pull it off and keep the tone in check.
I've said before that I'd really like to see a developer have the guts to do something like that. If only to see the gaming communities reaction to it.Torrasque said:
But of course that will never happen, which is the central thesis in my argument as to why the 'if this same situation happened but with men you wouldn't be angry' is fundamentally flawed.
No no, nothing against you. I was actually agreeing with you, I would like to see someone have the guts to completely reverse the gender roles. I just know that will never happen.Torrasque said:
Read my post above that I linked, I explain what I mean with this issue a bit better.
The problem is that it looks more like a Saints Row trailer (Hell the Assassin's are even called "The Saints") than a Hitman trailer. The problem is NOT that a woman gets her face smashed in, the problem is that she's in fetish gear as opposed to regular clothing.
Every time I've seen fanart do that - put male characters/superheroes in female costumes and poses, a lot of male posters have reacted akin to having had bleach poured into their eyes and acting like the whole thing is an evil affront that should never have been done.Torrasque said:
And many of these same people will act like people complaining about said outfits on women are just being oversensitive.