Valve Counters EA's Shots at Steam

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Valve Counters EA's Shots at Steam

Valve insists that frequent sales do not "cheapen" IPs, no matter what EA thinks.

Last month, EA, in its bid to set Origin apart from Valve's top distribution platform Steam, EA then went on to discount some of its titles by over 80% [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117725-Origin-Boss-Says-Steam-Sales-Cheapen-Intellectual-Property] notwithstanding, Valve has now countered the accusations, saying that frequent sales actually increase brand loyalty and purchases over time.

Speaking at the Develop conference in Brighton, UK, Business Development Chief Jason Holtman defended the discounts by pointing to Valve's internal numbers. Pre-orders and early sales are actually up, according to Holtman, which would contradict DeMartini's theory that more and more gamers would start waiting for discounts. Holtman went on to posit that gamers would pay a premium to get the game first, saying that gamers who do wait for sales are making "a time trade-off." He made sure to point out that there was nothing wrong with waiting and buying at a lower price, a tactic particularly known to gamers on a tight budget. As long as more gamers are buying and playing games, he said, it's a win for Valve and its partners.

As for the increase in pre-orders and early sales, Holtman theorized that gamers who buy games on sale will fall in love with titles they would never have otherwise played, then eagerly purchase the next title in that franchise or from that developer. Thanks to the magic of digital distribution, gamers can easily pick up titles released months or even years prior - a luxury that wasn't available back in the olden days when PC games only came in boxes, when "if you didn't get a game in the first three months it was around, you were out of luck because you had to find a copy of it." That convenience, in turn, is "making people happier" and thus more willing to pick up titles at full price later down the road.

Even without the long-term benefits, indie developers get a big boost from the promotion inherent in Steam sales. Introversion, the indie developer behind Darwinia, publicly stated in 2010 that Steam Greenlight program [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103008-Steam-Promotion-Saves-Introversion-From-Death] set to launch in August.

Source: Eurogamer [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-11-valve-counters-eas-steam-sales-cheapen-intellectual-property-accusation]

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uncanny474

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In other news: EA is still full of blithering idiots who don't know the first thing about gaming OR running a business and who have pissed off consumers more than Bank of America. More at 11.
 

Rylot

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Oh EA you really don't have to try this hard to get us to hate you, we already do. In all seriousness you'd think they'd have a better PR team that would monitor what people in the company are saying to make sure they don't embarrass themselves by contradicting an upcoming policy. But I guess with a company that big it's hard to have everyone on the same page.
 

AT God

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As stupid as these comments are, they have a point. I bought Mass Effect 1 and 2 on steam, thought they were great. Then they released ME3 and I paid 60 dollars for a piece of crap. They might be on to something, if I had payed full price for their first two games they might have made ME3 good on release instead of 3 months later. Damn EA and their solid logic!

Still love Battlefield 3 though...
 

Fappy

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He really didn't need to go through all of this effort to argue EA's point. None of us bought EA's shitty logic anyway.
 

Zaik

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Eh, honestly Valve responding at all is more respect than the comment deserved, considering they went right around that guy and sold stuff so cheap anyway. I'd have pretended it never happened.
 

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kitsuta said:
Last month, EA, in its bid to set Origin apart from Valve's top distribution platform Steam, derided Valve's deep-discount sales [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117725-Origin-Boss-Says-Steam-Sales-Cheapen-Intellectual-Property], vowing it would never do the same.
Yeah! Doing something that benefits your customers and thus would encourage them to buy more of your products? What blasphemy is this?
/sarcasm

Seriously EA, I think you've reached entirely new depths of stupid.
 

tofulove

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ea made origin to compete with steam, the tactics they are using is saying we will never have awesome sales like steam. steam should just give up, the battle is already lost.
 

RandV80

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It wasn't on a Steam sale but in a similar nature to Introversion/Darwinia the original Humble Indy Bundle deal gave which included one of the Penumbra titles gave Frictional Games enough of a cash infusion to pay the bills and finish making Amnesia: The Dark Descent.

These are indy companies though. For the big mega publishers like EA and Activision who for a business model rely on an annual release schedule where the community itself puts pressure in players to always be up to date on the latest releases and/or dlc, there's no real benefit to the Steam sale model. But thankfully this fight at least seems like one where the big guys aren't going to win. EA can try but they aren't going to get their way here.
 

Eric the Orange

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While I agree with valve entirely, I think considering the reputation of both companies, if there was an argument between them people would always side with valve no matter what.

EA: Kicking puppies is bad
Valve: We like kicking puppies
The Public: Valve has a point
 

DTWolfwood

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Speaking about the sales. When a game goes on sale for 75% off, they increase their gross revenue by 40 times <.<

Valve knows what the fuck they are doing and EA is as oblivious as always!


6:58 seconds when the question was asked and Gabe tells us how much more money they make :p
 

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Eric the Orange said:
EA: Kicking puppies is bad
Valve: We like kicking puppies
The Public: Valve has a point
My opinion on this as well. EA's people are correct in a vast majority of their statements, but hating EA is cool.

Valve, on the other hand, can sodomize your mother, and the gaming public would give them money for it.
 

ckam

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Oh... It's like a happy ending for everyone, except for EA of course. I could be wrong about that last one.
 

Otaku World Order

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Ympulse said:
Eric the Orange said:
EA: Kicking puppies is bad
Valve: We like kicking puppies
The Public: Valve has a point
My opinion on this as well. EA's people are correct in a vast majority of their statements, but hating EA is cool.

Valve, on the other hand, can sodomize your mother, and the gaming public would give them money for it.
Last time I checked, Valve wasn't charging $50 to get to the front of the line in online multiplayer or adding subscription fees and DLC to freaking Tetris. If there's any sodomizing going on, it's not Valve's doing.

Just sayin'.
 

Evil Smurf

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EA are just jealous they did not think of the crate system in TF2, how much money is that making valve?
 

matrix3509

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I love how EA is trying to guilt trip the people who wait for sales. "HOW DARE YOU NOT PAY FULL PRICE!" Sorry EA, I am guilt free.
 

Bill Nye the Zombie

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Valve is totally right here. For me, I bought Assassins Creed and AC: Brotherhood for next to nothing during a Steam sale. I will now pre-order, buy on day one, or buy near day one, Assassins Creed 3, because I tried something with little risk to me, or my wallet. EA dosn't grasp that idea though, and its really kind of sad.