Valve Counters EA's Shots at Steam
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However, Valve doesn't sodomize mothers. They've earned our trust. They've made some mistakes, but ultimately they own up to it and try to fix it.Ympulse said:
Dismissing EA's criticism by saying people are bandwagonning is just flawed logic.
True. EA's big marketing scheme nowadays is to trash-talk the top contender in an effort to make themselves seem like the second-choice at best and relevant at worst.dontlooknow said:
Meanwhile their PR is awful and their stock is the worst it has been in over 12 years.
Welp. They're right. Example. Say someone got Assassins Creed 1 and 2 for real cheap on the sale, and really enjoyed it. Chances of preordering/buying the next game at full price? Pretty high.
But damn Valve you don't need to explain yourselves to EA of all things, you're better than that. Stay vigilant.
But damn Valve you don't need to explain yourselves to EA of all things, you're better than that. Stay vigilant.
I wonder for how long will EA be able to keep running while being so oblivious to the real world.
It's a business after all, how can they afford to be so stupid? Why would you like to work with them knowing management it's so antagonistic against consumers?
They are their own parody, it's so freaking depressive when you think about it.
It's a business after all, how can they afford to be so stupid? Why would you like to work with them knowing management it's so antagonistic against consumers?
They are their own parody, it's so freaking depressive when you think about it.
Is this really even news? EA is full of accountant morons, Valve is the golden poster child for gamers who "get it." Of course one is going to say something completely gobshite and Valve is going to wink at the rest of us and we'll all share a quiet little elitist gamer gigglefest at EA's expense.
Well, I started with the Mass Effect series by buying the first game for 10? I think, I enjoyed it enough that I bought the second game and I enjoyed that enough that I decided to preorder the third.RandV80 said:
Similar thing with Dragon Age, bought it when the price dropped a little and enjoyed it, so I preordered Dragon Age 2.
So EA got a lot of money from me because I bought 2 games on a budget and decided afterwards to buy it's sequels for the full price, without the budgets I might have looked at the games but probably wouldn't have bought them.
I think that this is a good example why even the big companys benefit from the steam sale model.
Indeed.SnakeoilSage said:
In other news, EA's stocks hit an all time low, lay-offs are rampant, they continue to shutdown and undercut their internal devs at a record pace, they continue to push costumers away with price gouging and restrictive services/features, they still create over-priced DLC, simplify IPs to appeal to a "wider audience", and (if rumors are to be believed) are set to fire a few CEOs/COOs; all because of their "correct" statements and business practices.Ympulse said:
At the same time, Valve hits all time high in profit revenues; both internally and for other devs who use their services. They also continue to provide free services and content to users as well as continuing to update and upgrade said services with new features.
Yep. You're right. EA clearly knows what they're talking about and Valve is full of shit. I mean, it's not like EA is literally in the process of going under or anything. And it's clear Valve is planning to sodomize our mothers because we're not dropping enough cash for TF2 crate keys.
Yep. It all makes sense now. Can't believe I was so blind. How could I have possibly admired Valve?! What's wrong with me?!
See, this is exactly the kind of thing that the EA PR department should take note of. This is how you endear people to you and make them actually want to give you money. I have no doubts that Valve is run with a goal of making as much money as they can, in the same way that EA do. The difference, however, is that Valve are capable of doing this without making the entire gaming community hate them for it, because actually they seem to genuinely care about there customers. Whether they do or not is irrelevant, it's all about perception. Would you rather give money to someone who has openly admitted that they will try to fleece you for every penny they can, or someone that offers you a bloody good deal on a game whilst being friendly about it?
I think I rambled on a bit there. Basically, this is how companies should talk to the public if they want people to want to give them money.
I think I rambled on a bit there. Basically, this is how companies should talk to the public if they want people to want to give them money.
Its funny how EA fanboys so desperately try to rationalize. EA kicks puppies then tries to sell them to you at full price. Valve doesn't kick them and sells them at 75% off.Ympulse said:
Seriously, EA fanboy. People like Valve cause they don't do the evil bullshit that EA does. Just deal with it. Even when they do something people find disagreeable, they don't send out their puppy kicking PR squad to call you, the consumer, a thief or shameful or something cause you don't like it. There's good companies and there's bad ones. Valve is one of the very few good ones.
That's why Valve are smart and EA are greedy. you hit the nail on the head there, Valve.kitsuta said:
I used to mostly buy games months after release, second hand, because I was buying a game I was unsure about for cheaper than the new copies. If I liked it, I bought similar games or sequels of the franchise new and much earlier because I knew I'd enjoy it (better investment with lower risk of wasting money) or even purchase them through pre-order if I really liked it (full investment confidence in product because of previous second-hand purchase).
Example: I bought Gears 2 second-hand, pre-ordered Gears 3 because I saw it as a low risk for disliking it, and thus a better investment.
Steam sales are the same thing. If I like a game, I buy it sooner rather than later. If I don't like a game or am unsure, I buy it second hand, or now in a steam sale. Buying in a sale is better for the developer & publisher than second hand, because thy're still getting a slice of the pie.
This is pretty much what I was going to say, as I've done this many many times myself thanks to Steam. I AM more willing to buy a brand new game or even pre order it if I got the previous title in a sale and loved it.
Torchlight is my most recent example, because I only bought Torchlight in a sale and wouldn't have otherwise picked it up, and now having played it and fucking loved it, I want Torchlight 2, so I've pre ordered it.
'm with Valve, I hate spending money and normally play games a couple of years behind the loop to save money, but I've both bought more games through Valve and been convinced to spend more in general than I would, through sales and the habit of buying games and with some series I've paid the higher price and bought them more new anyway through brand loyalty etc.