5 Ways J.J. Abrams Could Ruin Star Wars
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Thank you for that.Imperioratorex Caprae said:
And I wasn't a fan of the original Star Trek show or movies so I'm not in that group loved the originals. However I did enjoy both films for what they were and look forward to seeing where the third movie goes from here.
I actually loved both the originals and the reboots but also realize they're different things and both exist in different timelines. I must be a rare person because I don't let my past loves color new things. I judge them on the merits they have as is. Of course I'm also a gamer who liked ME3, and other unpopular things... Sometimes I feel I don't fit with the majority of this site with my opinions, but that's ok with me. I like being the outsider.Keji Goto said:
Well at least if JJ ripped of KOTOR it would get a few more people into SWTOR and they could afford to actually make some content for once.
The Emperor/Palpatine is a perfect villain, in that there's nothing left to add to or take from him that could be an improvement. If they change anything about him, then they're undercutting all the other movies.
Which sounds exactly like the sort of thing you'd do if you wanted to make the new movie relevant. Fuck me.
Which sounds exactly like the sort of thing you'd do if you wanted to make the new movie relevant. Fuck me.
I'm in the same boat as you over here. Adore the Original Star Trek shows and movies (except for half the TNG movies, Enterprise... and sometimes Voyager.) And I like the reboot movies (the first more than the second) and really enjoy the Ongoing Comic based on those movies. Also being a comic fan I never complain or nitpick about differences between the comics and movies.Imperioratorex Caprae said:
Also liked the ME3 ending.
Hmm... are you sure you're not me?
Well, could be a quantum event that tossed one of us into this timestream... Who knows?DeimosMasque said:
Well I'll just bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish. Then I'll use my multi-spectral quantum tachyon anti-proton device and we'll see if we can get this all sorted out.Imperioratorex Caprae said:
We could do a slingshot around the sun and pray our shields and SIF hold up under the stress.DeimosMasque said:
I don't think Mr Abrams can ruin Star Wars anymore than Lucas did in the prequels. The bar is so low that just about anything would be an improvement.
To loosely adapt a quote from the Plinkett reviews:th3dark3rsh33p said:
"Well it can't be worse than the Prequel Trilogy. Maybe we'll just look back at those as 'those really bad ones'. You try to rationalize that at least this time there wasn't going to be a little kid or anything. You had no idea that the nightmare of your existence had only just begun."
Pardon my presumption, but I'm less worried about Star Wars getting worse and more worried that it won't get any better.VoidWanderer said:
How do I explain this concisely..
OK, remember Star Trek?
Rick Berman spent a decade mismanaging Star Trek, eventually fans got fed up and fled the franchise in droves.
Eventually it died.
Years later, during this explosion of Hollywood nostalgia-sploitation, some exec decided to reboot Star Trek for easy money, and handed the project to J.J. Abrams.
So Abrams took what he knew of Star Trek, dissected the culturally recognizable bits, and plopped them into a generic Hollywood action movie.
Star Trek 09' has Star Trek on the label and it has some flavorful bits from Star Trek in it...but it isn't Star Trek.
It's the Bacos version of Star Trek. Either way, the public loved it, so naturally it was a "successful" reboot.
But I can't help but feel that nothing has really improved for Star Trek as a result because...it isn't really Star Trek.
I don't hate the films, but I never once had this sense that I was watching Star Trek; just a bunch of references to them.
5 years later, and I find myself in an eerily familiar situation with Star Wars.
I won't beat around bush here: George Lucas obviously had no idea how to write a good script for the prequels, and ended up making three shitty, but popular action movies. While Lucas made a lot of money, hindsight has not been kind to the prequels.
And once again Abrams is up to bat to bring an old franchise back to the public eye...
Hell, even the elimination of the Expanded Universe feels kinda similar to how Abrams eliminated the original canon universe from the equation in his Trek films. Or at least that's how I take it.
So I'm apprehensive about this. Will Star Wars still be Star Wars with Abrams at the helm?
He will destroy it the following way:
Episode VII: Abrams will create some sort of mystery and he'll end the movie with a huge cliffhanger. We won't know anything about this mystery except that it's exciting!
Episode VIII: You'd expect at least some hints on how the mystery will resolve, do you? Nope. Even more mystery around that mystery!
Episode IX: Abrams remembers: "oh! That mystery! Right... You know what? I didn't even think about what the mystery even is about... some sort of resolution... Can't think of anything that makes sense. Here, take some overly convoluted stuff that explains nothing instead."
Episode VII: Abrams will create some sort of mystery and he'll end the movie with a huge cliffhanger. We won't know anything about this mystery except that it's exciting!
Episode VIII: You'd expect at least some hints on how the mystery will resolve, do you? Nope. Even more mystery around that mystery!
Episode IX: Abrams remembers: "oh! That mystery! Right... You know what? I didn't even think about what the mystery even is about... some sort of resolution... Can't think of anything that makes sense. Here, take some overly convoluted stuff that explains nothing instead."
Those are some truly terrible ideas. I salute you for thinking up so many of them.
Although, I do like the idea in number four. Having the Jedi turn out to be the bad guys, at least from the main character's point of view. Now the moment the Jedi do something truly evil, like kill an innocent or threaten the guy's family or something, they are no longer Jedi, but I think that story might have potential if done right.
J.J. Abrams is not an option for that though.
Although, I do like the idea in number four. Having the Jedi turn out to be the bad guys, at least from the main character's point of view. Now the moment the Jedi do something truly evil, like kill an innocent or threaten the guy's family or something, they are no longer Jedi, but I think that story might have potential if done right.
J.J. Abrams is not an option for that though.
I really liked the book and I thought the movie up until the half-way point was incredibly accurate to it... and then it went to hell in the second half. Despite the acting being a touch wooden, at least he got actors who looked like and had the mannerisms of the characters (except for Donnie Wahlberg - wtf?).JimB said:
I heard a rumor there will be Jedi Hunters who are highly trained by the Sith and not force sensitive, which sounds like Sith Assassins from KOTOR2 to me. There are a lot of Jedi Hunters across the board in Star Wars, but part of the rumors is these Jedi Hunters are left overs from Order 66. It just sounds very much like the Sith Assassins of KOTOR2 who were trained up by Revan and still hunting Jedi down so many years after the wars were over. Under new Sith leadership of course, but if Atton Rand's dark side mindset is any indication, these people are addicted to torturing and killing Jedi, with or without Sith leadership.
I love that we're speculating on things J.J. Abrams can do to ruin Star Wars as if George Lucas and LucasFilm haven't already done all of them. Repeatedly. For decades.
Anyway, I'll be blunt:
As far as I'm concerned, Episode IV and Episode V are the only good and great Star Wars films, respectively. The rest can fuck right off.
So for me, it can only go up from here. Or, at worst, stay the same.
Anyway, I'll be blunt:
As far as I'm concerned, Episode IV and Episode V are the only good and great Star Wars films, respectively. The rest can fuck right off.
So for me, it can only go up from here. Or, at worst, stay the same.
Three, or something close to it, looks like a good idea to me. There's a lot of room for a lot of stories in the Star Wars universe. Would it be so terrible if some of them didn't involve lightsaber fights and pseudo-spiritual declamations every few minutes? The original trilogy was at least sparing with them, but the prequels went way overboard.