8-year-old's Uzi death at gun show
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Humanity doesn't need to be perfect to leave violence behind quite the opposite in fact, if we swear off changing our nature until we have solved all the worlds problems then we will never change. Solving problems with violence creates more problems: war begets fear which leads to anger, mistrust and animosity which leads to more wars. Crime stems from greed or hopelessness fueled by desperation which leads to violence and more crime.rcuhljr said:
I do not claim to have all the answers I am not saying I know the path to a perfect world I'm simply saying violence and death is not a solution for removing violence and death from our world.
Most of us at least know a little bit about how destructive guns can be. First person shooters, while in no ways simulations, can have fairly destructive things come from the end of a gun that actually exist and are used on a daily basis(mostly explosives) and do more damage in real life, but the populace that go to something where you show of big o'l guns (mainly people from down south) don't know this and might think, not to say that everyone from the south thinks this way, "let's go get Timmy a big o'l rifle and let'em shoot it up a bit." and when Timmy gets killed by it they'll blame something that was not responsible for it. What I'm trying to say is you can't stop idiots and the only reason most gamers, and us by extension, know even remotely how dangerous these weapons are and think the parents so stupid(which they are, mind you) is because we have seen a toned down version that still makes them incredibly dangerous. And the point that guns can be fun, in the right hands and with the right precautions, you can have fun with them, just 70% of the world doesn't use those precautions and, luckily, won't have to.
When did I say you shouldn't change your nature? Go ahead and change your nature. That doesn't involve removing items capable of causing harm. So when our hypothetical women shoots her hypothetical killer, what new crime is her violence causing? Can you tell me how spousal abuse is fueled by greed or desperation?Heathrow said:
The more guns you have knocking around, the more chance there is that someones going to get shot- there really is no way to break it down into a simpler format short of colourful pictures and large text. Ah well, if America wants to defend its right to blow its own head off I'll not argue. Carry on...
About the Europe thing: I also noticed the abundance of "silly America" threads and this one is by no means intended as such. I live in Belgium and I was referring to Central Europe where there are no such laws. And still, people don't carry guns and our street aren't run by gangsters or by the maffia. I think that people fear guns more than that they see a means to protect themselves, and definitely not as something with a high entertainment value. And this is all of course my own opinion.Treblaine said:
Most violent deaths in the US are not legitimate self-defense. A good number of gun deaths are actually suicide. Guns definitely cause, or fulfill, more problems then they solve, if you look at the numbers.rcuhljr said:
True, there are fewer house robberies than in some countries. But there's more violence in general. More street robberies. The problem, of course, is not necessarily guns, but poverty, poor education, poor health care (psychiatric wellness included), and a society built around commercialism and valuing money as the ultimate indicator of status.
Yay more "GUNS ARE GOOD" and "GUNS ARE BAD" posts.
If you are arguing that an 8 year old firing an Uzi is a good idea you're an idiot and so is that kids father. I do not care what you have to say on gun laws, putting that weapon in that childs hands was idiotic.
Again. I really REALLY don't care what you have to say about gun laws and gun shows and what the law says or whatever. Gun safety is there to ensure this crap doesn't happen.
If you are arguing that an 8 year old firing an Uzi is a good idea you're an idiot and so is that kids father. I do not care what you have to say on gun laws, putting that weapon in that childs hands was idiotic.
Again. I really REALLY don't care what you have to say about gun laws and gun shows and what the law says or whatever. Gun safety is there to ensure this crap doesn't happen.
okay, no I didnt freaking read all 17 pages of this crap, but a few points:
1) This story is very old so whatever anti gun propaganda list you got this off of needs some work.
2) To everyone who said it was a very bad idea for an 8 year old to handle a fully automatic submachine gun: Congratulations! You said the only logical thing in this entire thread!
3) To everyone who equated guns, gun owners, or Americans to Nazis, racists, political hard liners, or any other derogatory or pejorative (look it up) term: Congratulations! You are a sheep with an IQ of a wad of gum! Fact: the NRA was originally created as an anti KKK movement designed with at least 1 of its goals to arm blacks against Klan members. Look it up.
4) If you quote Michael Moore as a counterpoint to section 3 your hair will immediately catch fire for attempting to propagate the biggest and most unfounded lie in the history of American film.
Im fairly confident that the majority of the people that posted in here (and ALL of the people who posted negatively in here) have never seen, heard, or even watched footage of a gun show. To all you who have an image of drunken rednecks shooting howitzers at large pictures of Barrack Obama: FAIL. In actuality, its usually a bunch of tables put together in long rows with lots of guns laid out and big DO NOT TOUCH signs everywhere. Its actually quite a drag unless you have the coin to buy shit. I dont even believe what this article is reffering to is actually a gun show at all. It sounds more like a live fire event or maybe a full auto shoot. Is is wrong for an 8 year old to shoot guns while supervised? No... but common sense tells you to start small. This is the equivalent of giving a 12 year old the keys to the corvette and saying "Go give her a spin!"
The OP claims there is a problem with an 8 year old going to a gun show. Rationalize this so my closed minded American brain can understand how this is any more controversial than taking him to a car show. Help me help you!
Someone said guns arent toys, to this you are right. Cars arent toys either. Lots of people use cars to have fun though, both responsibly and irresponsibly. The same goes for guns: They arent toys but they can be fun. I dont see you freaking out over the deaths in any major motorsports event. 'How can anyone let their son drive a fast car!' You can argue that the situation isnt equal all you want but in the end they are mechanical devices with a propensity for death.
1) This story is very old so whatever anti gun propaganda list you got this off of needs some work.
2) To everyone who said it was a very bad idea for an 8 year old to handle a fully automatic submachine gun: Congratulations! You said the only logical thing in this entire thread!
3) To everyone who equated guns, gun owners, or Americans to Nazis, racists, political hard liners, or any other derogatory or pejorative (look it up) term: Congratulations! You are a sheep with an IQ of a wad of gum! Fact: the NRA was originally created as an anti KKK movement designed with at least 1 of its goals to arm blacks against Klan members. Look it up.
4) If you quote Michael Moore as a counterpoint to section 3 your hair will immediately catch fire for attempting to propagate the biggest and most unfounded lie in the history of American film.
Im fairly confident that the majority of the people that posted in here (and ALL of the people who posted negatively in here) have never seen, heard, or even watched footage of a gun show. To all you who have an image of drunken rednecks shooting howitzers at large pictures of Barrack Obama: FAIL. In actuality, its usually a bunch of tables put together in long rows with lots of guns laid out and big DO NOT TOUCH signs everywhere. Its actually quite a drag unless you have the coin to buy shit. I dont even believe what this article is reffering to is actually a gun show at all. It sounds more like a live fire event or maybe a full auto shoot. Is is wrong for an 8 year old to shoot guns while supervised? No... but common sense tells you to start small. This is the equivalent of giving a 12 year old the keys to the corvette and saying "Go give her a spin!"
The OP claims there is a problem with an 8 year old going to a gun show. Rationalize this so my closed minded American brain can understand how this is any more controversial than taking him to a car show. Help me help you!
Someone said guns arent toys, to this you are right. Cars arent toys either. Lots of people use cars to have fun though, both responsibly and irresponsibly. The same goes for guns: They arent toys but they can be fun. I dont see you freaking out over the deaths in any major motorsports event. 'How can anyone let their son drive a fast car!' You can argue that the situation isnt equal all you want but in the end they are mechanical devices with a propensity for death.
to be totally blunt,
a kid raised by parents who were stupid enough to let their kid do that probably was not going to grow up to be an Einstein.
Not saying he deserved to die.
Judging on what I've found so far the common ground will not go beyond these points.
-The 15 year old was experienced enough to use it himself but not EXPERIENCED enough to handle children who are handling the uzi.
-The parents are probably retarded
-The kid is dead, and wont be coming back thanks to the fault of multiple parties
-The 15 year old is no more guilty than the parents
-The gun was an automatic and therefore was far beyond the skills of ignorant children and apparently 2 parents.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do stuff.
-Putting pants on and then underwear over them is wrong, unless your quailman, not lethal however.
-Driving a car while UTI is also wrong and has a great possibility of being lethal
-Mishandling a firearm, while you yourself are not experienced enough to do so, while in the company of someone who is not experienced in babysitting while handeling weapons has a great chance of being lethal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psq4iQX0uXs <- good match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi2gg5GWJdo <- not a good match
(favorite quote) "You will never need to prove your bravery in any other way" <- made me lol
a kid raised by parents who were stupid enough to let their kid do that probably was not going to grow up to be an Einstein.
Not saying he deserved to die.
Judging on what I've found so far the common ground will not go beyond these points.
-The 15 year old was experienced enough to use it himself but not EXPERIENCED enough to handle children who are handling the uzi.
-The parents are probably retarded
-The kid is dead, and wont be coming back thanks to the fault of multiple parties
-The 15 year old is no more guilty than the parents
-The gun was an automatic and therefore was far beyond the skills of ignorant children and apparently 2 parents.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do stuff.
-Putting pants on and then underwear over them is wrong, unless your quailman, not lethal however.
-Driving a car while UTI is also wrong and has a great possibility of being lethal
-Mishandling a firearm, while you yourself are not experienced enough to do so, while in the company of someone who is not experienced in babysitting while handeling weapons has a great chance of being lethal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psq4iQX0uXs <- good match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi2gg5GWJdo <- not a good match
(favorite quote) "You will never need to prove your bravery in any other way" <- made me lol