A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

[Silvanus]

We were talking about Abraham Lincoln.

If you were talking about the party of the 1860s, I assumed you would have used the past tense, rather than the present tense. My point was that in the present, they do not resemble that description in any way, shape or form.

 

[Revnak]

In some ways, comparing Lincoln to the Jacobins is reasonable. But Lincoln didn't try and replace Christianity with Cults of Reason and behead anyone who disagrees, so I think he dodged most of the issues with Jacobins just fine.

Similarities between Abraham Lincoln and French radicals from nearly a century prior does not do anything to establish whether his positions were conservative. If you can't see the difference between a 19th century American who wanted a strong central Republic and an 18th century Frenchman wanting that while living under a monarchy, I don't know what to tell you.

I’m comparing him to mid-19th century Jacobins genius.

 

[tstorm823]

I’m comparing him to mid-19th century Jacobins genius.

The Jacobin Party in France was dissolved in 1794.

 

[Revnak]

The Jacobin Party in France was dissolved in 1794.

There were still French liberals who believed in the exact same thing. Radical liberalism was the prevailing political tendency among 48’s revolutionaries and of the French Bourgeois after Napoleon the 3rd was ousted. I’m just used to leftist circles where those guys still get called Jacobins as a shorthand (and were often called such at the time), but it’s not like I’d been talking about anything but Lincoln’s contemporaries anyway so I still don’t understand the leap in logic.

 

[BrawlMan]

Getting back on track again for the umpteenth time. Seriously, stop engaging with tstorm. All he does is talk out of his ass and goal post. I appreciate the effort, but it's getting beyond boring. @Revnak and @Silvanus, please just put him on ignore. I am only saying this, because all he's trying to do is derail the thread, because he does not know what he's talking about all the time.

Clip by Clip, Showing Democracy Under Siege (Published 2021)

The Times’s Visual Investigations team analyzed more than 3,000 videos to document, moment by moment, the terror of the Capitol riot.

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[tstorm823]

There were still French liberals who believed in the exact same thing. Radical liberalism was the prevailing political tendency among 48’s revolutionaries and of the French Bourgeois after Napoleon the 3rd was ousted. I’m just used to leftist circles where those guys still get called Jacobins as a shorthand (and were often called such at the time), but it’s not like I’d been talking about anything but Lincoln’s contemporaries anyway so I still don’t understand the leap in logic.

By 1848, there were socialists in France. The Republicans in France were only allied with the leftmost players in as much as basically everything is left of monarchy.

Getting back on track again for the umpteenth time. Seriously, stop engaging with tstorm. All he does is talk out of his ass and goal post. I appreciate the effort, but it's getting beyond boring. @Revnak and @Silvanus, please just put him on ignore. I am only saying this, because all he's trying to do is derail the thread, because he does not know what he's talking about all the time.

Have you never argued with friends for fun? There's no malicious plot to distract from what you want to talk about, we all just let the conversation go where they go, because that's what happens when you're arguing for fun. The goalposts aren't moving because there are no goalposts, just perpetual argument. Because that's fun. The board you want where you ignore anyone who argues with you is just so, so boring.

 

[BrawlMan]

Have you never argued with friends for fun? There's no malicious plot to distract from what you want to talk about, we all just let the conversation go where they go, because that's what happens when you're arguing for fun. The goalposts aren't moving because there are no goalposts, just perpetual argument. Because that's fun. The board you want where you ignore anyone who argues with you is just so, so boring.

They sure as hell ain't your friends. They're not even acquaintances. You must be really delusional. Don't bother responding back, because I won't be listening to your nonsense.


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[tstorm823]

They sure as hell ain't your friends. They're not even acquaintances. You must be really delusional. Don't bother responding back, because I won't be listening to your nonsense.

They may not be my friends, but we have friendly arguments. We argue like friends do, as opposed to formal debates or hate-filled shouting matches, that's what I mean. People come here for fun. That's not that controversial.

 

[BrawlMan]

No, your conversations and arguments with nearly everyone else are nowhere near close to friendly. Deal with it

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

What we know about the "unprecedented" Capitol riot arrests

Seven months after the attack, more than 570 people had been arrested in what the government calls "the most complex investigation ever prosecuted by the Department of Justice."

www.cbsnews.com

 

[tstorm823]

No, your conversations and arguments with nearly everyone else are nowhere near close to friendly. Deal with it

I know you hate me, but I worry what this means you think of everyone else here. You think that people come here and go back and forth on 19th century French politics but hate doing so? You don't think they enjoy themselves? You think they resent me the way you do and are engaging with me in the hopes of winning the arguments and making the world a better place? No, man, no. We're here... cause it's fun. We're having fun. You're not having fun, but that's really just you.

 

[BrawlMan]

I know you hate me, but I worry what this means you think of everyone else here. You think that people come here and go back and forth on 19th century French politics but hate doing so? You don't think they enjoy themselves? You think they resent me the way you do and are engaging with me in the hopes of winning the arguments and making the world a better place? No, man, no. We're here... cause it's fun. We're having fun. You're not having fun, but that's really just you.

Keep telling yourself that; not listening. Have fun spouting more bullshit that means nothing, and is only used to derail and extend goal posts.

 

[happyninja42]

please just put him on ignore.

It's actually made these current events threads really amusing for me. Because I just see one side of the conversation, so I internalize R2D2 beeps and bloops for tstorm's posts, that everyone is replying to. It makes for this really fun mental image of this really paranoid, qanon, racist astromech droid, just spinning in place while chirping up a storm, and spinning it's various components wildly about, all the while everyone just watches in morbid fascination.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Revnak]

By 1848, there were socialists in France. The Republicans in France were only allied with the leftmost players in as much as basically everything is left of monarchy.

By 1848 there were socialists in the US who were as aligned with the Republicans as the French Socialists were with French radical liberals which is to say thoroughly aligned until they could be discarded by the liberals. This is particularly relevant because they were largely the same kind of Proudhonist socialists in both countries (including the man himself holding a role in government for part of 48’).

Edit: please don’t just reply that the Republican Party didn’t exist yet I’ll fix the fucking dates if you somehow don’t get the point.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

You're not having fun, but that's really just you.

It isn't just him. You're a miniature Houseman, and the worst thing is that you probably think that's a compliment.

 

[tstorm823]

It isn't just him. You're a miniature Houseman, and the worst thing is that you probably think that's a compliment.

So, you think people coming here aren't having fun?

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

So, you think people coming here aren't having fun?

Nope. No fun. No smiles. No sly arousals. This is nothing but sheer flagellation here. And if you think you saw fun, well I hate to break it to you buttercup, that was nothing more than the delirium from the brain worm laying its first batch of eggs within your cortical amygdala.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Elections Official Accused of Helping Leak Data to QAnon Leader

The Stop the Steal-QAnon-MAGA-8chan singularity has been achieved in Colorado.

www.vice.com

Tina Peters might be in hot water

A Colorado election official who's a fervent supporter of Trump's Big Lie is now being accused of compromising her county’s voting machines and allowing information to be leaked to one of QAnon’s biggest promoters, who shared it to the world this week.
In May, Tina Peters, county clerk in Mesa, Colorado, allegedly ordered county officials to turn off surveillance cameras that were monitoring election equipment.

Peters then allowed someone to steal sensitive election data, as well as film a Dominion Voting Systems Corp. employee updating the election system software, according to Colorado’s Secretary of State Jena Griswold.

When Griswold found out about the leak earlier this week, she sent officials to Peters’ office on Tuesday to find out what, exactly, was going on. Peters was nowhere to be found, but hours later she turned up on stage at MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell’s bogus Cyber Symposium conference, where QAnon promoter and 8chan administrator Ron Watkins shared the very data stolen from Mesa County with the entire world.

“I think it is extremely concerning that an elections’ official from the state of Colorado is actively working to undermine confidence and spread disinformation about our award-winning voting system,” Secretary of State Jena Griswold told reporters at a press conference on Thursday.

“To be clear, the Mesa County Clerk allowed a security breach, and by all evidence at this point, assisted it,” she said.
Now Griswold has ordered that the 40 pieces of election equipment in Mesa County can no longer be used for upcoming elections as the chain of custody had been broken. It means that taxpayers will now be forced to pay to replace those machines, though Griswold couldn’t say Thursday how much that would cost.

There are many unanswered questions about this bizarre turn of events; we still do not know exactly who is involved or what their motivations are, but it is abundantly clear that Peters has a lot of questions to answer. Somehow improbably, in addition to Peters, Lindell, and Watkins, this story also includes a millionaire pro surfer-turned-election fraud conspiracist, the lawyer who represents Seth Rich-conspiracist Ed Butosky, Rep. Lauren Boebert’s campaign manager, and duck sounds.
We tried to clear a few of these things up with Peters, but she didn’t respond to multiple emails, text messages, and calls to her office and cell phones.

Here’s what we know about how Mesa County election data was leaked:

At some point before May 25, Peters’s office ordered Mesa County staff to turn off the surveillance cameras monitoring the voting equipment, according to evidence collected by Griswold’s office.

The cameras were not turned back on until some time in August, which is against standard practice and means the chain of custody of that equipment has been broken. As a result, Griswold on Thursday ordered the equipment should not be used for next November’s city, town and school district elections.

On May 23, someone gained access to one of the Election Management Systems machines from Dominion Voting Systems used by Mesa County, and was able to download an image of the machine’s hard drives. The same person repeated that process on May 26, according to a cybersecurity expert who has reviewed the images, which were subsequently shared publicly.


In between those two dates, on May 25, Dominion employees visited Mesa County to conduct what is known as a “trusted build”—effectively an update to the machine’s software that sees the entire system wiped before a version of the operating system known to be safe is reinstalled.

That process is highly regulated, and state election rules mandate that only staff from Mesa County, the Secretary of State’s office and Dominion may be present in the room when it is happening.
On the day, Peters’ staff introduced a man called Gerard Wood, and told Griswold’s representatives that he was a member of their staff. But, as Peters’ office later admitted, he wasn’t.

In fact, no one knows who Gerard Wood is.

But whoever the person was, while he was inside the room when the installation was happening, and he captured video footage of the machines being updated.
Over a month later, on August 2, the video was posted to Watkins’ hugely popular Telegram channel, with the former 8chan administrator claiming that the video was provided by a “whistleblower,” and showed evidence that the machines can be remotely administered.

Of course there’s no evidence of that happening, and Watkins’ video was quickly debunked by cyber security experts. Watkins also asked his followers to download and share the video, but those who did found it contained a virus that infected their phones and computers.

Watkins said that he was ultra-careful to alter the voices and redact certain portions of the video, pointing out to followers that “a minor slip-up could potentially dox the whistleblower."


Unfortunately for Watkins, he made a major slip up rather than a minor one, which allowed members of Griswold’s team to identify exactly where and when the video had been taken.

Watkins’ leaks included an image showing a spreadsheet of passwords for accessing election equipment. Unfortunately for Watkins’, the passwords are managed by the state, so Griswold’s office was quickly able to identify the leak as coming from Mesa County.

And so, last Monday, Griswold issued an order demanding the production of documentation related to the voting systems, and authorized her own department’s officials to travel to Mesa County and inspect the election system.
But when the officials arrived on Tuesday, Peters was already on her way to South Dakota, where she was the headline guest on day one of Lindell’s conference.
Lindell had promised that at the conference he would finally reveal the evidence he claimed he had showing that China had hacked the election. He never did release that information, so instead relied on the “evidence” coming from Mesa County to keep his audience entertained.

Peters told the audience at Lindell’s conference that Griswold’s representatives didn’t allow Peters’ own staff access to the room while they were auditing the voting equipment—an allegation that Griswold subsequently said was a complete lie.
She repeatedly—and erroneously— referred to Tuesday’s inspection as a “raid.” She also said the investigation was politically motivated—even the GOP-dominated Colorado County Clerks Association supports the investigation into one of the group’s own members.


Matt Crane, a Republican who heads the association, slammed Peters for the role she has played in undermining trust in the electoral process.
“As an election official, she has to be even that much more careful so as to not erode public trust,” Crane said during Thursday’s press conference. “Standing here today, I wish that was the extent of it. Obviously the damage done to public trust by her far exceeds anything that she put on Twitter.”

Despite appearing several times on stage during Lindell’s three-day event, Peters never provided evidence to back up her claims of election fraud.
Instead, the supposed evidence was provided by Watkins, who appeared at the conference via video link from his home in Sapporo, Japan.
And what evidence did Watkins have? As it turns out, he had the disk images taken from the Mesa County machines on May 23 and May 26.

During his presentation on Wednesday, however, Watkins got a call from his lawyer Ty Clevenger to tell him there was an issue with showing the files. Watkins told the organizers to stop showing the files on a large screen on stage.


During his presentation, Watkins claimed that he obtained the files from Sheronna Bishop, a right-wing activist from Colorado who was previously Rep. Lauren Boebert’s campaign manager, and who has praised and boosted the Proud Boys.
But he also mentioned another person, called Conan Hayes, saying that he wasn’t sure if Hayes had permission to share the files publicly.

Hayes is a former pro-surfer. In 2010 he sold RCVA, the surf clothing company he co-founded in 2001, for several million dollars. He mostly disappeared from public view following the sale, but in recent years has become somewhat of a minor celebrity in election fraud conspiracy theory circles, under his anonymous Twitter handle We Have Risen. He has worked on an election audit in Antrim County and has suggested on social media he was in Phoenix where the Arizona audit is currently taking place. He also has links to Doug Logan, the Cyber Ninja CEO who is currently running the sham audit in Maricopa County.

Further evidence that Hayes was the person who captured the images was provided by cyber security experts tracking this situation, who found Hayes’ initials in the downloaded files:


Clevenger confirmed to VICE News on Thursday that it was in fact Hayes who had provided the data from Mesa County to Watkins. What Clevenger, who represented the Seth-Rich conspiracy theorist Ed Buttosky, was not able to say for certain was if it was Hayes who also provided the video clip to Watkins, who Gerard Wood was, or if, as some open sources investigators tracking this situation believe, that Hayes and Wood are in fact the same person.

The only person who seems to be able to clarify this is Peters, but unfortunately she is not answering her phone at the moment.
Peters did attempt to explain the legal situation on stage during the conference, but made little sense when responding to questions from the audience.

Her responses were also drowned out at times by a loud duck quack sound effect, which was used throughout the conference as an apparent warning to speakers that what they were saying could potentially get them in legal trouble.

 

[BrawlMan]

Elections Official Accused of Helping Leak Data to QAnon Leader

The Stop the Steal-QAnon-MAGA-8chan singularity has been achieved in Colorado.

www.vice.com

Tina Peters might be in hot water

Hypocritical squats as always. Would you all just quit pretending to be like your honest or decent people. Just admit who you are already and give up. No one's buying other than your idiotic fan base

 

[BrawlMan]

Well, here is another jackass from my own state.

You won't believe this, but he's on the cover of several trashy romance novels. I find this freaking hilarious. Give up now loverboy. Daddy Trump ain't here to save you. None of you. That makes 12 now that were part of the riots who are from Michigan.

Michigan bodybuilder ‘who was photographed dragging police officer down stairs during Capitol riots’ arrested

Online sleuths worked to identify person who dragged officer down set of stairs, and later found Logan Barnhart has featured on covers of romance novels

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Bodybuilder arrested for allegedly assaulting police at Capitol riot brings Michigan total to 12

Logan Barnhart was a top target for online "sedition hunters."

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More felony charges 'expected' for officer who bought 37 guns while under Capitol riot indictment

Thomas Robertson, a former Virginia police officer, is currently being held while he awaits trial after a judge found he violated the terms of his pretrial release.

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