A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

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Oh, so now you're the Houseman of leftists, with more cursing.

That's disappointing.
You're right, how dare I point out the Bush administration ignored and swept under the rug months' worth of intelligence indicating AQ was planning an imminent terror attack by hijacking passenger aircraft and using them as suicide bombs to attack key US landmarks in NYC and DC, then watched as the attacks played out in real time with zero response while simultaneously planning a narrative that pinned blame on an individual they already knew beyond doubt to not have played a role (Saddam Hussein):

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All in shocking parallel to the report published barely a year before 9/11 that specifically cited a "new Pearl Harbor" as a potential catalyst for the changes to US foreign and defense policy the think tank half its members who went on to serve in the Bush administration, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, suggested.
 

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Why do it on inauguration day? Why not wait until the blockade is over? Why not plan the hit when he's outside of DC where there's less security? There's no rush.

But if it had to be in DC, it would be more likely if the FBI or CIA or whoever, just assassinated him themselves* and then blamed it on MAGA afterward. Any "investigation" won't be real.
What about MAGAts and their current rhetoric makes you think they wouldn't just do this without needing to be framed?
 
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What about MAGAts and their current rhetoric makes you think they wouldn't just do this without needing to be framed?
Because they're not even taking credit for storming the Capitol, and saying it was an antifa/BLM false flag. They're also denouncing the Inauguration day protests as fake and planned by Antifa to incite violence. They're telling everyone not to go.

But they also aren't a monolith, it's not impossible that a number of them would. It's just that the main hubs of trump-supporter activity aren't the frothing pot of hate and violence you might think they are.
 

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Because they're not even taking credit for storming the Capitol, and saying it was an antifa/BLM false flag. They're also denouncing the Inauguration day protests as fake and planned by Antifa to incite violence. They're telling everyone not to go.

But they also aren't a monolith, it's not impossible that a number of them would. It's just that the main hubs of trump-supporter activity aren't the frothing pot of hate and violence you might think they are.
You can literally watch videos of them on the day, talking about what they want to do.
 

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*Or use a disposable asset to do it, so as to provide the perpetrator's body. Heck, just yoink someone from a secret site like Guantanamo, kill them, and claim he was the assassin, and dump his body on the scene, or even make a big show about executing him there.
Or have the Enterprise beam down a clone and change all the security cam footage with a sonic screwdriver and escape through a Stargate.

That's the great thing about crazy conspiracy theories- they don't have to make sense, they don't have to follow logic, they don't have to be remotely possible; they just have to make you feel like you know something nobody else does.
 

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Or have the Enterprise beam down a clone and change all the security cam footage with a sonic screwdriver and escape through a Stargate.

That's the great thing about crazy conspiracy theories- they don't have to make sense, they don't have to follow logic, they don't have to be remotely possible; they just have to make you feel like you know something nobody else does.
Except my example uses real technology and plausible methods. COINTELPRO all over again.
 

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I've seen videos of them discussing their plans too, but "them" refers to Antifa.
So, are you now claiming that the only violence was perpetrated by antifa and the right was not responsible for any violence?
 

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Then why bring that up?
You claimed that MAGA planned the violence, I showed you a video alleging that Antifa planned the violence.

You began this by saying "why wouldn't MAGA kill Biden" and I answered.
 

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You're right, how dare I point out the Bush administration ignored and swept under the rug months' worth of intelligence indicating AQ was planning an imminent terror attack by hijacking passenger aircraft and using them as suicide bombs to attack key US landmarks in NYC and DC, then watched as the attacks played out in real time with zero response while simultaneously planning a narrative that pinned blame on an individual they already knew beyond doubt to not have played a role (Saddam Hussein):
That they lied to justify an invasion of Iraq is certainly true. That intelligencies agencies had advanced intel is also true.

That the Bush administration was on the ball enough to see it coming and decide to allow it, and really on the ball enough to stop this from getting out in the 20 odd years afterwards is not by any means necessarily true.

To be clear, I'm not saying that incompetence is a defence, only it's different from malice (and who was incompetent and who was malicious varies in the different theories, I guess), and it was certainly malice to invade Iraq. I take it you're not going to suggest that the Bush administration's other massive failures (such as the way they handled Iraq or Katrina) were part of some hidden scheme (as opposed to the obvious schemes of the US political, military and financial system), 9-11 fits in with the rest of those.
 

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I am not a gun enthusiast, at least not really. I like gun. I think the bang bang part is cool and I like to take my guns to the range and bang bang.
I have a .22 bolt action rifle with by my count 128 bullets, and a single barrel .410 with about 50 shells. That's a lot for anyone that doesn't need to start killing people. Aint not rabbits or hawks that survive that.
Yeah, 500 rounds of ammo isn't a lot, but it's a lot to have with you.

I personally have a couple thousand rounds of ammo at home, but it's mostly cheap target shooting ammo that I have because I don't like buying ammo at the range, and buying in bulk is much cheaper.
 

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You were also the one to link us to a MAGA Youtube Live Stream when the whole Capitol thing went down, a stream which showed MAGA supporters being excited as they breached and entered the Capitol.
Walking through an open door was an act of violence?