A flaw in Mass Effect 2

[Mikkaddo]

Let me guess this out of the way, I LOVE mass effect 2, it surpasses the first one easily in my opinion, and is easily one of my favorite if not my favorite game. But there is one thing that tires me to no end about this game:
Your chat options are a lie!
For instance, (Spoilers) when Grunt is talking about how he hates Turians, I saw an option "What about Garrus?". I thought my character would just ask a simple question, but instead he points his finger at him and yells "Don't start any shit on my ship!". This was completetly different from what option I had, and I noticed this happens fairly option were I'll click something thinking it'll be what I want, and end up saying something totally different.

So I have to ask, is this system flawed? Or am I just ranting about something that doesn't matter?

it's an essentially flawed system, it gives you a basic idea what the TOPIC he will discuss is. not the emotion behind it unless it's highlighted as renegade or paragon. Otherwise it's really anyone's guess what it will be untill you've actually hit, but you can sort of use context as an answer, so if you'd been playing in such a way that Shepard has been all happy friednship with Turians, it seems to make sense he'd be a bit angry when Grunt says he hates them. Also, it IS Shepard's ship, so if Grunt started something . . . it'd be Shepards fault if it gets out of hand . . . and Shepard answers to the COUNCIL . . . who rather hated him in the first game (no idea if you saved them or not)

 

[camokkid]

The somewhat vague dialogue options were there in ME1. However, in my experience it's fairly rare for the option you select to not reflect what is being said. Also, as someone else already stated, most of the time it's Upper Right = Paragon, Lower Right = Renegade (unless you're doing the Investigate).

As for the slightly edgier Paragon options in this game, I liked them. I tend to play good guys and it was really nice not to be a total pussy this time around. What people fail to understand is that Paragon isn't about being polite, it's about not compromising yourself and other people to get results and the ends do NOT justify the means. ME2 communicates that better.

What DOES irk me a bit is that some actions are deemed Renegade, when they are just cool. For instance, shooting the gas tanks during Mordin's Loyalty mission to shut the blabbering Krogan. That was just plain awesome, and you'd just end up killing him anyway. Same thing with killing the Gunship engineer during the Archangel mission. However, I don't cry and moan if I get a few Renegade points along the way, so it's all good.

Did you see the renegade action you could do when Archangel gave you the sniper rifle?

 

[camokkid]

Yeah, I noticed a few paragon interruptions weren't really all that paragon-ish. The game could maaaaybe have used just a few more fixes.

Paragons need to be badass too. What do you expect, an interrupt where Shep hugs a mercenary?

The sheer speed at which Shepards point of view changes is abit off-putting, especially when i was actually on Mordin's side, but agreeing with him that he hadn't commited genocide would give me Renengade points ¬_¬

I don't understand why people can't live with a few Renegade points. Goddamit, you can get Paragon points blindfolded. Just don't be an ass to your crew and you'll be struggling to stay Renegade. Not fair. I made some desperate Renegade choices at the end, just because I wanted to finish as a Renegade and I had no idea where all those Paragon points came from.

And the only flaw of Mass Effect 2 : it has an end.

No offense, but I kind of have to disagree with you there, m'kay?

There was a pretty good cliffhanger at the end that left me begging for more because I'm a *****.

 

[cj7_99]

i am a huge fan of the mass effect games. I unfortuately dont have internet at my house and recently had to go to a friends house to get the dlc. It doesn't work unless your online. i called ea support and was told that was how it was supposed to be but my cousins dlc works offline. im really upset at bioware for this.

 

[camokkid]

I find it kinda annoying when what it looks like your going to say is completely different, it wasn't this bad in the first. sometimes I have reloaded because the character said something I definitely didn't think it would.

Like in the grunt loyalty mission, at the end, if you choose anything but the neutral, grunt will get pissed.

 

[ShotgunSmoke]

Yeah, I noticed a few paragon interruptions weren't really all that paragon-ish. The game could maaaaybe have used just a few more fixes.

Paragons need to be badass too. What do you expect, an interrupt where Shep hugs a mercenary?

The sheer speed at which Shepards point of view changes is abit off-putting, especially when i was actually on Mordin's side, but agreeing with him that he hadn't commited genocide would give me Renengade points ¬_¬

I don't understand why people can't live with a few Renegade points. Goddamit, you can get Paragon points blindfolded. Just don't be an ass to your crew and you'll be struggling to stay Renegade. Not fair. I made some desperate Renegade choices at the end, just because I wanted to finish as a Renegade and I had no idea where all those Paragon points came from.

And the only flaw of Mass Effect 2 : it has an end.

No offense, but I kind of have to disagree with you there, m'kay?

There was a pretty good cliffhanger at the end that left me begging for more because I'm a *****.

You misunderstood me. The ending itself was brilliant. I just don't like the fact that it exists. I wanted ME2 to continue forever.

 

[camokkid]

Also, I feel ripped off. The only reason I sat through that hideous, painful romantic sub-plot dialogue was to see that Quarian's face. What do I get? Precisely squat! I hate you, Bioware.

What about the turian subplot thing?

I had a female shepard, and I was talking to "archangel"

"I had reach, but she had flexibility"

"how about we skip the tiebreaker, and get to your reach, and my flexibility?"

"you're being fucking wierd, Shepard"

 

[Marowit]

Your chat options are only a generalization of what your character says. Like the message that is being conveyed across, there would be too little room for some conversations if it was exact.

exactly. it was like this in the first game too; it threw me for a loop the first time I noticed it in ME1.

 

[ma55ter_fett]

Let me guess this out of the way, I LOVE mass effect 2, it surpasses the first one easily in my opinion, and is easily one of my favorite if not my favorite game. But there is one thing that tires me to no end about this game:
Your chat options are a lie!
For instance, (Spoilers) when Grunt is talking about how he hates Turians, I saw an option "What about Garrus?". I thought my character would just ask a simple question, but instead he points his finger at him and yells "Don't start any shit on my ship!". This was completetly different from what option I had, and I noticed this happens fairly option were I'll click something thinking it'll be what I want, and end up saying something totally different.

So I have to ask, is this system flawed? Or am I just ranting about something that doesn't matter?

This thing has always bugged me about the Mass effect games, like in the first one where I choose to say,

"You bastards"

and my guy said

"No one crosses me, nobody!"

Kind of threw me for a loop

 

[camokkid]

Yeah, I noticed a few paragon interruptions weren't really all that paragon-ish. The game could maaaaybe have used just a few more fixes.

Paragons need to be badass too. What do you expect, an interrupt where Shep hugs a mercenary?

The sheer speed at which Shepards point of view changes is abit off-putting, especially when i was actually on Mordin's side, but agreeing with him that he hadn't commited genocide would give me Renengade points ¬_¬

I don't understand why people can't live with a few Renegade points. Goddamit, you can get Paragon points blindfolded. Just don't be an ass to your crew and you'll be struggling to stay Renegade. Not fair. I made some desperate Renegade choices at the end, just because I wanted to finish as a Renegade and I had no idea where all those Paragon points came from.

And the only flaw of Mass Effect 2 : it has an end.

No offense, but I kind of have to disagree with you there, m'kay?

There was a pretty good cliffhanger at the end that left me begging for more because I'm a *****.

You misunderstood me. The ending itself was brilliant. I just don't like the fact that it exists. I wanted ME2 to continue forever.

It does, in a way;

You can keep playing on your selected profile to do some unfinished missions.

 

[camokkid]

"I won't be second guessed on my own ship, by my own ship."

"What about Garrus?" is the lower right option, which means it's Renegade, which mean's Shepard's going to either be a jerk or shoot/punch something.

Just be glad he didn't whip it out.

You can't do that with Grunt...

Oh you meant his gun, gotcha.

Ah, I remember all the times I pulled a gun on innocent civilians in the first game.

And that one time I shot a xenophobic gangster.

 

[camokkid]

"What the... when I meant 'is that all' I didn't mean 'OMG BOOBS', seriously Shepard, can't you keep your pants on for five minutes? You're worse than Kirk sometimes. I just wanted money, geez."

Bear in mind that the asari you're talking to is basically a high class prostitute. What do you think you're gonna get?

Also, to the OP, you're talking to a Krogan, you have to speak fluent badass to make them understand. (Or headbutt them in the face, that works too).

"You... You dare?"

"HAHA! This human's got a quad!"

 

[carpathic]

I thought the wheel works very well. I quite enjoy not reading and hearing my character say exactly the same words I just read on the wheel.

Also, I like that you have the option of being a paragon but non-pussy. I am not afraid of some renegade points because lets be serious, sometimes you just gotta slap someone.

I misplayed the God Cop/Bad Cop scenario, I just smacked the guy up but good, and my guy was a paragon. (Oops)...good times. Next time I shall try another way perhaps.

 

[Jandau]

Did you see the renegade action you could do when Archangel gave you the sniper rifle?

Another great example - All you did was shoot a mech. It was awesome and fun!

However, since Paragon and Renegade meters aren't in any conflict, I gladly take Renegade actions from time to time, even when playing Paragon. The way I see it, Renegade and Paragon are two existing aspects of Shepard's personality and the player simply chooses which to manifest, and as a result strenghten that side of him (which leads to better dialogue options).

Also, the P/R triggers during cutscenes are a great way to boost your P/R score even if you don't have much points in it so you can't Persuade/Intimidate...

 

[cheywoodward]

Has anyone else noticed that they get renegade points for doing paragon things. such as going to dinner with kelly?

 

[Ganthrinor]

Two things really bugged me about ME2. Firstly, you've got this hyper-advanced AI on board, yet you have to scan planets manually, inch after painful, agonising inch. Secondly, you've got this hyper-advanced AI on board, yet you have to MANUALLY FEED YOUR FUCKING FISH! One of the most advanced, futuristic pieces of equipment in the galaxy and you can't even ask the thing to check on your fish if you forget.

Jesus H Christ on a stick, Humanity, if you can't even figure out how to do an automatic fish feeder, what hope has the galaxy really got?

Also, I feel ripped off. The only reason I sat through that hideous, painful romantic sub-plot dialogue was to see that Quarian's face. What do I get? Precisely squat! I hate you, Bioware.

Ok, make it 4 things. Now that I'm starting again from scratch, why couldn't they have done more of those vacuum sections? You get one little 2001-esque sequence at the start, then nothing else, ever.

Make nice with the Head-Shrinker by the Galaxy Map. Invite her up for dinner and she'll offer to feed your fish for you. Among other things.

 

[Ganthrinor]

Has anyone else noticed that they get renegade points for doing paragon things. such as going to dinner with kelly?

Some things are worth both. Maybe you're getting Paragon for being a nice CO. Maybe you're getting Renegade because you're flirting with aonther girl after starting a romance with somebody else, either from a ME1 import or in the current game.

Paragon/Renegade is much more flexible this time around, which I like.


Also, double-post, woo!