A game that everybody else loves, but you hate? (Witcher 2)
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First Person Shooters in general are games that are extremely popular but I come close to hating. The only exception I can think of is Team Fortress 2, and only because I managed to find an awesome server to play on for a few years and the "story" in the game is hilarious to me.
Other than that, I've never enjoyed FPS's. I sometimes do hate them when they interfere in games I like (Mass Effect and the "Optional Multiplayer Mode"), but most of the time I just ignore them.
Other than that, I've never enjoyed FPS's. I sometimes do hate them when they interfere in games I like (Mass Effect and the "Optional Multiplayer Mode"), but most of the time I just ignore them.
Interesting complaints.
I really think you need to approach games from different angles; like what did the developers want to make and what does this game provide I might like, instead of "Cool, I like FPS/RPG/Sci-fi games, let's play it!". Might spare yourself some trouble.
For example (regarding the FTL complaint above), roguelike games heavily luck dependant? That's the whole point of the sub-genre. Your idea of misery is another one's fun.
I really think you need to approach games from different angles; like what did the developers want to make and what does this game provide I might like, instead of "Cool, I like FPS/RPG/Sci-fi games, let's play it!". Might spare yourself some trouble.
For example (regarding the FTL complaint above), roguelike games heavily luck dependant? That's the whole point of the sub-genre. Your idea of misery is another one's fun.
I may love FFX, but the Sphere Grid is a bloody chore, you're right.Red X said:
OT: I'm not really sure how people feel, generally, about Limbo... but I remember the initial reaction being warm, and I found that game to be a frustrating pile.
Fallout New Vegas.
A desert is a poor substitute for an apocolyptic wasteland and I friggin' hate deserts. And I hate cowboy crap to boot. The story might've been interesting and the factions might've been varied but I couldn't take any more of the game past the southern junction with giant ants bit because it was the same spaghetti-western bullshit everywhere I went.
A desert is a poor substitute for an apocolyptic wasteland and I friggin' hate deserts. And I hate cowboy crap to boot. The story might've been interesting and the factions might've been varied but I couldn't take any more of the game past the southern junction with giant ants bit because it was the same spaghetti-western bullshit everywhere I went.
Minecraft... to be honest I don't really hate it, I just don't see the point in bothering myself with it. I tried playing the game a few times when the world first became infatuated with it, but it seemed to be just a pointless timesink with no real purpose. And while I see the appeal of being able to build practically anything, what puts me off is the fact that my creations would always be made of fugly pixelated blocks, which I simply don't find visually appealing.
Oh, wait, FTL. Fuck this game with a rusty razor wire wrapped pole. A game governed by a random number generator which can (and will) gleefully undo all your efforts no matter how good your strategy is, is an abomination. And its creators should be fed to the Wraith. I can't believe I actually considered buying it at one point. My eternal thanks to a friend who showed me this shite for what it really is.
Oh, wait, FTL. Fuck this game with a rusty razor wire wrapped pole. A game governed by a random number generator which can (and will) gleefully undo all your efforts no matter how good your strategy is, is an abomination. And its creators should be fed to the Wraith. I can't believe I actually considered buying it at one point. My eternal thanks to a friend who showed me this shite for what it really is.
Fallout New Vegas.
I tried to play it. One thing that stands out is a consistent problem I have with Obisidian games: They can't keep me engaged after the introduction. It's like they can't be bothered to make an in-game climatic event at the beginning that I can be part of.
I'll be honest - I did enter the series with Fallout 3, but in the end, Beth did do some things much better than Obsidian. Even though it basically didn't let a player develop their own background (a complaint I've seen many players make), but the Vault 101 escape helped set the pace of the game, and afterwards encouraged you to go and explore. What New Vegas did was start you in the lazy town of Goodsprings, where you felt that you had some obligation to help them out.
...And then the situation with the Powder Gangers happened. If anything this was poorly executed - If you wanted any help, (and you did feel like you needed it,) good luck if you didn't focus on Speech, because otherwise you were on your own. (In fact, it showed how shallow and poorly engaging a stat check can be!) At least in Fallout 3, most of the missions you took gave you a feeling you could go it alone, and even then, if you needed help, at least it considered offering multiple options based on skills, even if it was a sacrifice of restriction in favor of character flexibility.
And, well... I'm going to say one thing. I liked Fallout 3's guns. Most of them felt artistically consistent; Obsidian went and ignored this little "fix", and brought in a few modern guns with Pictinny rails, which just doesn't feel consistent with the Fallout theme. Say what you want about Obisidian being "the guys who made Fallout", but take a moment and reconsider which roster of guns actually fit the world of Fallout better as a whole.
I tried to play it. One thing that stands out is a consistent problem I have with Obisidian games: They can't keep me engaged after the introduction. It's like they can't be bothered to make an in-game climatic event at the beginning that I can be part of.
I'll be honest - I did enter the series with Fallout 3, but in the end, Beth did do some things much better than Obsidian. Even though it basically didn't let a player develop their own background (a complaint I've seen many players make), but the Vault 101 escape helped set the pace of the game, and afterwards encouraged you to go and explore. What New Vegas did was start you in the lazy town of Goodsprings, where you felt that you had some obligation to help them out.
...And then the situation with the Powder Gangers happened. If anything this was poorly executed - If you wanted any help, (and you did feel like you needed it,) good luck if you didn't focus on Speech, because otherwise you were on your own. (In fact, it showed how shallow and poorly engaging a stat check can be!) At least in Fallout 3, most of the missions you took gave you a feeling you could go it alone, and even then, if you needed help, at least it considered offering multiple options based on skills, even if it was a sacrifice of restriction in favor of character flexibility.
And, well... I'm going to say one thing. I liked Fallout 3's guns. Most of them felt artistically consistent; Obsidian went and ignored this little "fix", and brought in a few modern guns with Pictinny rails, which just doesn't feel consistent with the Fallout theme. Say what you want about Obisidian being "the guys who made Fallout", but take a moment and reconsider which roster of guns actually fit the world of Fallout better as a whole.
"Not very good" voice-acting? It's one of the best I've ever witnessed in 15+ years of gaming. Your standarts, mister, are too high. Make sure you compare the voice-acting with similar RPGs to TW2 - Skyrim and such, where the amount of dialogs is similar or even smaller.leodetroit said:
Tris' CA-like voice? Your opinion. People who've never heard a person from CA in reality won't understand this very subjective "argument".
No true RPG has cutscene quality of a action- RPG/title. Don't expect too much, as this is a lot of work for the devs.
Combat? Try Combat Rebalance 2 mod created by one of the TW2 devs. It'll make things fluid and much more enjoyable.
TW2 has multiple flaws (quest marking system, stock combat, etc.) but it has so many positives that they severely outweight the negatives.
Psychonauts. The mechanics are just so-so, and being able to only equip 3 powers at once was bloody annoying. Camera angles were some of the worst I'd ever had to deal with, as was aiming. The boss battle with Linda was extremely clunky, as was the Nightmare in the Milkman level. Raz is a borderline Mary Sue - unbelievably good at everything, unreactive to the bizarre stuff happening around him, and shallow as a dried-up lake.
Bioshock Infinite.
Obnoxious protagonist, predictable plot ending and twists, easily broken gameplay, most upgrades for vigors are either FAR too contextual or outright useless, and the weapons are standard at BEST.
No explanation for the presence of Vigors, how they work, why they need salts to function, or why they're better than Plasmids over 50 years before Plasmids were created, and why Columbia is so racist, though modern with gender politics.
Constantly recycled enemies, none of which use Vigors to any real extent, all enemies are standard regardless, with nearly all of them weak to the same Vigors (Undertow, Shock Jockey, and Charge).
The game is TOO EASY as well, even on the Hard difficulty.
Obnoxious protagonist, predictable plot ending and twists, easily broken gameplay, most upgrades for vigors are either FAR too contextual or outright useless, and the weapons are standard at BEST.
No explanation for the presence of Vigors, how they work, why they need salts to function, or why they're better than Plasmids over 50 years before Plasmids were created, and why Columbia is so racist, though modern with gender politics.
Constantly recycled enemies, none of which use Vigors to any real extent, all enemies are standard regardless, with nearly all of them weak to the same Vigors (Undertow, Shock Jockey, and Charge).
The game is TOO EASY as well, even on the Hard difficulty.
I won't say I hate these games, because they have good points or fairly large fan bases. For me it is Portal and Final Fantasy X. I don't hate Portal, I like the puzzles a lot, but I don't hold it to the high standard most other people do.
As for Final Fantasy X, I know it isn't the most popular in the series, but I tried to play it, but I found it boring and slow, and I usually have good patience for a slow RPG. Also the characters weren't very gripping to me, which I have heard is a strong point of the game.
As for Final Fantasy X, I know it isn't the most popular in the series, but I tried to play it, but I found it boring and slow, and I usually have good patience for a slow RPG. Also the characters weren't very gripping to me, which I have heard is a strong point of the game.
KOTOR. Not even a bad game, just undeserving of its cult like following, and its lofty placement in many "best of" lists. The combat engine was abysmal, the characters ranged from affable to dubious, there were numerous incidences of atrocious plot armor that destroyed the immersion, constantly recycling the same 2-3 lines of alien dialogue got old minutes in, and the much ballyhooed twist ending was M. Night Shyamalan quality hoodwinkery.
Just a rough, rough effort, more reminiscent of flawed but enjoyable titles like Jade Empire, Dragon Age 2, or Alpha Protocol than the RPG titans it often finds itself rubbing elbows with when people ruminate about their favorite games.
Just a rough, rough effort, more reminiscent of flawed but enjoyable titles like Jade Empire, Dragon Age 2, or Alpha Protocol than the RPG titans it often finds itself rubbing elbows with when people ruminate about their favorite games.
On the subject of Bioshock Infinite, a lot of those complaints were actually explained, in that they were implied via the various recordings throughout the game, particularly those from Fink.
The racism needs no explanation, it was inherent to the society of the time. I don't believe that I noticed modern gender politics. Seems the gender politics were just not at the forefront of the game's issues.
That doesn't mean that you're not right to be upset about those things, it's just that there are explanations for them. Personally, I found the gameplay to be a major improvement over the prior Bioshock game(s), most modern FPS and most modern chest-high wall love games. It was, frankly, more fun because you were a swashbuckling superstar, rather than someone hiding behind cover every three feet. Not real realistic, but fun.
I agree with the complaints about Psychonauts. Good idea, bleh gameplay. Un-engaging characters barely introduced and then treated, bizarrely, like Raz was best of friends with each one, despite they disappearing very early in the story with minimal contact with Raz.
The racism needs no explanation, it was inherent to the society of the time. I don't believe that I noticed modern gender politics. Seems the gender politics were just not at the forefront of the game's issues.
That doesn't mean that you're not right to be upset about those things, it's just that there are explanations for them. Personally, I found the gameplay to be a major improvement over the prior Bioshock game(s), most modern FPS and most modern chest-high wall love games. It was, frankly, more fun because you were a swashbuckling superstar, rather than someone hiding behind cover every three feet. Not real realistic, but fun.
I agree with the complaints about Psychonauts. Good idea, bleh gameplay. Un-engaging characters barely introduced and then treated, bizarrely, like Raz was best of friends with each one, despite they disappearing very early in the story with minimal contact with Raz.
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. Holy fucking shit. What a terrible fucking game. It was just one long ass tutorial. With the most annoying sidekick ever. Wiimotion Plus controls are still inaccurate. And I love Zelda! All the Zeldas! But this one sucked.
It wasn't particularly generic when it came out well over a decade ago. A combination of features not seen in a single game at that point, a unique aestetic across the board, and a reasonably strong focus on story are all things that were fairly unique at the time. The overwhelming success of the game lead to it's features being copied and iterated upon by those that came after and, in retrospect it may seem derivative but that's a fallacy. At worst it is iterative and even that argument is tenuous.Alarien said:
Half-Life is a series where the story is implied more than anything. If you aren't the sort to project ideas into a framework constructed for that purpose, I can see the problem. You might not, for example, like The Elder Scrolls either as a result.Alarien said:
I don't really buy this in the slightest. The only way you really find racist overtones in that game is by projecting them on the fact that you're killing people of non-Caucasian descent. Given that you're in a local that will predominately feature such people naturally it's simply a matter of setting. Hell, there isn't even any of the classic white man's burden to fall on here since the motivation of both protagonist and antagonist is simply self-serving greed. The brown people are simply pawns or obstacles to that end.Alarien said:
I would fully accept an argument that the dissonance was overwhelming enough to ruin the game but not the racist angle.
This one I'll agree with in principle. The game was simply broken in a great many ways. I wouldn't call the main character a scumbag so much as I would point to him as being wildly inconsistent. The level of inconsistency will vary depending on how you play the game of course .Alarien said:
BioShock: Infinite. Sorry but your amazing story *snort* doesn't make up for all the gameplay faults:
*It's BioShock's elements downgraded.
*Most of the gameplay is like a Modern Military Shooter.
*It copies Halo: CE, ODST and Reach's health system and some elements of level design (except for the beautiful scenery and large amounts of terrain to get several vantage points).
*You thought BioShock and BioShock 2 were flawed? BioShock: Infinite may as well roll the credits when Elizabeth is around, low on health? Have a 100% health pack. Low on ammo? Have full ammo for your gun. Don't need money? Here's between 8-43 dollars from one coin which I'll give you every ten seconds. It takes all the tension from 1 and 2 away, the only benefit being that you don't have to spend a few minutes scavenging for ammo.
It all merges together to make gameplay which is mediocre at best, soul-crushingly boring at worst. And again, the story is not that good, especially not good enough to justify it.
*It's BioShock's elements downgraded.
*Most of the gameplay is like a Modern Military Shooter.
*It copies Halo: CE, ODST and Reach's health system and some elements of level design (except for the beautiful scenery and large amounts of terrain to get several vantage points).
*You thought BioShock and BioShock 2 were flawed? BioShock: Infinite may as well roll the credits when Elizabeth is around, low on health? Have a 100% health pack. Low on ammo? Have full ammo for your gun. Don't need money? Here's between 8-43 dollars from one coin which I'll give you every ten seconds. It takes all the tension from 1 and 2 away, the only benefit being that you don't have to spend a few minutes scavenging for ammo.
It all merges together to make gameplay which is mediocre at best, soul-crushingly boring at worst. And again, the story is not that good, especially not good enough to justify it.