A query on the limits of a Vampires abilities to walk in light.

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SideburnsPuppy

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According to the Christopher Moore vampire mythos (my personal favourite which I promise I will stop hyping once everybody on this site reads it), the reason vampires can't go out in sunlight is because it sets them on fire. The Moon produces no heat because it's a rock, and all the other stars are too far away.

As for why regular fire can't burn them, it's because...it's different gases? I don't know the chemical makeup of fire.
 

Clyde

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Vampires powers are inconsistant. Originally vampires, witches, and werewolves were the same thing. Among their weaknesses were a ball of stringing because they are obsessive compulsive.
 

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It depends on the story's author. As already mentioned, Dracula can go about in sunlight. Varney, which predates Dracula, can also do so.

The vampires in Christopher Golden's "Saints and Shadows" series are deprogrammed of old dogmas and can go about in sunlight.

Even in Anne ice's novels, ancient vampires, over a thousand or so years old, can survive in the sun, though hey do burn (it shows as somewhat of a tan), though they are still in a death like sleep, but can still protect themselves in that state.

I'm not sure about canon White Wolf universe, but in the show "Kindred: the Embraced", which was based off the game, vampires could go out in the day, as long as they had drank enough blood. They would be weaker in the day than at night though.
 

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Basically, because vampire myths were created long before science got that far. Vampires represent death, decay and disease, they feed off of life, but never directly, they feed on other people's blood, or breath, sometimes with additional requirements, only the breath of pregnant women, or similar.

On the opposite end is the sun, with its lifegiving properties. It is the ultimate representation of life itself, and because of that symbol of life, it's used to counteract vampires. Crosses work the same way, with Christianity getting involved. Can't have people worship the sun instead of our own religion, now can we?

Since then we've gotten very far with science, and some attempts have been made to justify the vampire myths with science, or to bring science into them, but the thing is, just like you can't come up with a scientific explanation for how Jesus returned from the dead and ran to heaven, myths are usually inherently incompatible with science, and that's basically the point.

If a vampire could just put on sunscreen, if they were just hurt by UV-radiation, then they're not very scary anymore. They're not supposed to make sense, they're not supposed to be explained. The interesting part of a vampire is that it IS mysterious, that it IS supernatural, and that it DOES defy science. It's not the radiation we can measure that hurts the vampire, it's the symbolic representation of the sun that damages it. It's not the biological elements of blood that makes vampires feed on humans, it's the lifegiving properties, and our lifeblood that sustains a vampire. You can't use a uv-light to hurt a vampire, and you can't grow a substitute source of nutrition in a lab, that goes against the very point of the myth.

That said, I welcome new additions to the mythology, I love new interpretations, but in trying to explain with science, you ruin what makes the myth interesting. There's zombies for that.
 

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Timewave Zero said:
We all know, save for Stephanie Meyer, that Vampires cannot walk in sunlight, but only come out at night.
Enkil and Akasha (the progenitors from the Anne Rice series) were placed in the sun and did not die, although many of the weaker vampires worldwide did spontaneously combust.
 

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No, because even the smallest amount of sunlight would kill them instantly.
 

Joshimodo

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Realistically, it would be because they have zero pigmentation or defence against UV rays, thus burning them severely. The age-old fiction of them would likely be due to the light being good, and vampires being evil/cursed etc.

FoolKiller said:
Timewave Zero said:
We all know, save for Stephanie Meyer, that Vampires cannot walk in sunlight, but only come out at night.
Enkil and Akasha (the progenitors from the Anne Rice series) were placed in the sun and did not die, although many of the weaker vampires worldwide did spontaneously combust.
Yeah, the most powerful of vampires in Anne Rice's stories are able to exist in sunlight with no harm. Ancient/strong ones are able to enter it without dying, but not for long, etc.
 

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Stars won't have any effect, nor will the moon. It's that whole distance vs intensity of radiation thing, and how after a certain distance no amount of radiation will travel that far. The moon would be like getting getting radiation from a blank concrete wall while walking past on the other side of the street.

Point of interest: Vampires can't survive in any Nightclub that uses a blacklight, because Blacklights produce UV radiation. Minute amounts, sure, but they sure can't.
 

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Timewave Zero said:
We all know, save for Stephanie Meyer, that Vampires cannot walk in sunlight, but only come out at night.

Question is, since starlight is sunlight come from far away suns and the moons light is nothing but reflected sunlight, can a Vampire only go out when it's an overcast night?

I realise the whole 'walking in darkness' thing is probably a symbol of good and evil, light and darkness etc. I'm just wondering, if it were all real, could a Vampire walk amongst stars and the moon?
Well it could be a certain type of radiation that's emitted from the sun that is not reflected by the moon. Mostly likely it isn't UV if you go with the tests conducted in Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, which I actually think sticks rather close to traditional vampire lore for a video game.

In terms of ancient vampires being able to come out into sunlight, Dracula apparently was simply weakened in the presence of the sun and I suppose, if we follow a theory of accelerated evolution, that particular trait somehow got exploited and exaggerated. This could possibly be due to the fact that a strain of disease that caused sensitivity to sunlight was intermixed into the vampric bloodline or if it was simply because Dracula himself was powerful enough to not be outright harmed from the sun and that other 'lesser' vampires do not have this strength.
 

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When was the last time someone got sunburned from standing in the moonlight for too long?
 

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Xyphon said:
Probably has something to do with the strength of the rays.
This is my answer. As the radiation disappates through space, it doesnt harm vamps as much. Same reason as why moonlight(which is just a reflection from the sun) Doesn't kill them. It isn't concentrated enough.
 

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I think we can all take one thing away from this thread.

Stephenie Meyer is a whore and must be punished by a violent and slow stoning before thousands of witnesses.
 

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Flying-Emu said:
grimsprice said:
Depends on what 'vampire universe' you're talking about, but its true, starlight is the same as the sun. The moon, however, is reflected light; it doesn't have any UV light.
So you're implying that it's UV light rather than visible light that harms the vampires?
Well yeah, how often do you see a vampire in a room with lamps on. All the frigin time.
 

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In the original Dracula, the titular vamp could walk around in the sun just fine. He didn't have access to all his powers, but he didn't burn to a crisp. That was a Hollywood invention, courtesy of Nosferatu, whose director felt it would be a poetic ending to the monster. I'm in no way defending Meyer's choice to have her vampires sparkle, but walking in the sunshine shouldn't be an automatic death blow if you're going by tradition.
 
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Depends on the universe. Buffy vampires would still burn under a sheet or blanket. Dracula turns to dust the first time we see him exposed to sunlight (but he had also been decapitated and staked)

Twilight vampires are not vampires. I'm not hate flaming here, really, but apart from blood sucking they don't follow any established vampire lore, and there are plenty of evil and dark creatures from mythology which suck blood, can go out in the day, and ocassionally sparkle. Meyer used vampires because 'OMG Vampires iz hawt.' and they're much more prolific, so pre-teen girls would know what she was talking about.

Also, Hellsing the manga established that Alucard could go out in the daytime, but he was a special case, being as close to truly immortal as it is possible to get. Maybe it's like an extreme photosensitive reaction, which decreases over time through natural degradation. (Far too sciency for 1 in the morning, so once more 'Vampires iz hawt')
 

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I like the Buffyverse way, they will burn after prolonged exposure but they can get away with shielding themselves with jackets or cloaks (which does beg the question why none of them didn't just make a full body suit and go out killing in the day.)
 

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Timewave Zero" post="18.148050.3423896 said:
We all know, save for Stephanie Meyer, that Vampires cannot walk in sunlight, but only come out at night.

dont forget about the movie BLADE.. whats his name was a "daywalker vampire"

Other than that it comes down to who wrote the story about vampires and how they feel about them being out in the day...
 

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grimsprice said:
Flying-Emu said:
grimsprice said:
Depends on what 'vampire universe' you're talking about, but its true, starlight is the same as the sun. The moon, however, is reflected light; it doesn't have any UV light.
So you're implying that it's UV light rather than visible light that harms the vampires?
Well yeah, how often do you see a vampire in a room with lamps on. All the frigin time.
So an alternative to sunlight is a UV lamp?

Interesting. A bit less handy than a silver cross, but whaddya gonna do?