Woah, someone just Godwin'd in a PC versus consoles threat. I do believe he just compared PC gamers to the third Reich.Shadow-Phoenix said:
A question for PC Gamers. Why all the hostility towards console gamers/gaming?
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I recently bought a 360 and a PS3, but I'm a PC gamer, always will be, always has been.
Console users and PC users go on and on about each other, but the question of who started is like the question of the chicken and the egg. Irrelevant.
I would like to tell you why PC users are pissed tho:
The industry is moving towards consoles, because then they are easier to control and thus, subject to every last piece of thing publishers force down their necks, while neglecting the PC as a platform, because, if a PC user wants to, can avoid a lot of their bullshit, without piracy. Consoles are cheaper to develop for and maintain support, but they mostly hinder a lot of games to be truly great, because hardware becomes a very big limitation in just a couple of years. The new consoles are already worse than mid range PCs, for most stuff, except some tasks requiring high bandwidth physics processing and video capture, since the PS4 includes a chip that does real-time video encoding, but then again, they need that, because thay cannot sacrifice GPU performance for that, because it's already taxed with running a modern game. This new generation is another 720p console generation, unfortunately. Just look at the Unreal 4 PS4/PC demonstration video on youtube.
Publishers will do everything to make more money by spending less money, therefore blame PC gamers for piracy and screwing them over wherever they can. Rockstar releasing GTA IV almost a year later, okay. Whoever is a big fan already bought it in disappointment, maybe even bought a console. Most of the users who bought it on the PC, faced an incredibly crappy port, riddled with bugs, maybe refunded, maybe spread the word, so this way the fragmented market becomes even more fragmented. Okay, they made a bit more money 7 months later, but compromised on the product, by offering an initial inferior experience by only releasing it on consoles and by offering an inferior experience for anyone who doesn't own a console. So see, we bought our hardware, we kept buying out games faithfully and when it comes to us, we're less than 2nd rate citizens, we get shat on, because we are the ones that can be scrapped for profits. Also, misconceptions about PCs: they don't cost that much, if you consider how shitty the initial console rollout was, hardware-wise, buying a PC might have been cheaper on the long run, than buying 2-3+ 360s or 1-2 PS3s. A lot of indies exploited this fact and voila, they sold and made triple A money, while big publishers didn't. The controls: yea, the market is shaped for consoles, a lot of popular titles have become a rarity, like strategy games or RPGs (they have been replaced by ARPGs), or just are plain uncomfortable, compared to how games in the past been. Also, if you dislike the keyboard and mouse and want to play on TV, you need to do exactly two things: plug your PC in your TV and plug your controller in your PC (or the reciever or a bluetooth for the dualshock 3). That's it. I don't really get how that gets harder than using a console. If you cannot be arsed to use a mouse to doubleclick on your games, just use steam big picture, etc. I can download and play a 20 gb in game in 15-20 minutes, so that's also a superior thing.
So maybe a few people are butthurt for a reason. A lot of them aren't. A lot of them are just trying to justify their choice for themselves by arguing with both the other side and themselves.
PC users, talk to console users. Console users, talk to PC users. Don't argue with each other, don't be mad at the other side, enjoy the games. If you want a target to be mad at: publishers are the cause of most of our issues. Channel your anger and frustration at them, maybe? Maybe they really would consider the PC users' side if they heard your arguments instead of the console dude, who can't change anything in the industry.
Console users and PC users go on and on about each other, but the question of who started is like the question of the chicken and the egg. Irrelevant.
I would like to tell you why PC users are pissed tho:
The industry is moving towards consoles, because then they are easier to control and thus, subject to every last piece of thing publishers force down their necks, while neglecting the PC as a platform, because, if a PC user wants to, can avoid a lot of their bullshit, without piracy. Consoles are cheaper to develop for and maintain support, but they mostly hinder a lot of games to be truly great, because hardware becomes a very big limitation in just a couple of years. The new consoles are already worse than mid range PCs, for most stuff, except some tasks requiring high bandwidth physics processing and video capture, since the PS4 includes a chip that does real-time video encoding, but then again, they need that, because thay cannot sacrifice GPU performance for that, because it's already taxed with running a modern game. This new generation is another 720p console generation, unfortunately. Just look at the Unreal 4 PS4/PC demonstration video on youtube.
Publishers will do everything to make more money by spending less money, therefore blame PC gamers for piracy and screwing them over wherever they can. Rockstar releasing GTA IV almost a year later, okay. Whoever is a big fan already bought it in disappointment, maybe even bought a console. Most of the users who bought it on the PC, faced an incredibly crappy port, riddled with bugs, maybe refunded, maybe spread the word, so this way the fragmented market becomes even more fragmented. Okay, they made a bit more money 7 months later, but compromised on the product, by offering an initial inferior experience by only releasing it on consoles and by offering an inferior experience for anyone who doesn't own a console. So see, we bought our hardware, we kept buying out games faithfully and when it comes to us, we're less than 2nd rate citizens, we get shat on, because we are the ones that can be scrapped for profits. Also, misconceptions about PCs: they don't cost that much, if you consider how shitty the initial console rollout was, hardware-wise, buying a PC might have been cheaper on the long run, than buying 2-3+ 360s or 1-2 PS3s. A lot of indies exploited this fact and voila, they sold and made triple A money, while big publishers didn't. The controls: yea, the market is shaped for consoles, a lot of popular titles have become a rarity, like strategy games or RPGs (they have been replaced by ARPGs), or just are plain uncomfortable, compared to how games in the past been. Also, if you dislike the keyboard and mouse and want to play on TV, you need to do exactly two things: plug your PC in your TV and plug your controller in your PC (or the reciever or a bluetooth for the dualshock 3). That's it. I don't really get how that gets harder than using a console. If you cannot be arsed to use a mouse to doubleclick on your games, just use steam big picture, etc. I can download and play a 20 gb in game in 15-20 minutes, so that's also a superior thing.
So maybe a few people are butthurt for a reason. A lot of them aren't. A lot of them are just trying to justify their choice for themselves by arguing with both the other side and themselves.
PC users, talk to console users. Console users, talk to PC users. Don't argue with each other, don't be mad at the other side, enjoy the games. If you want a target to be mad at: publishers are the cause of most of our issues. Channel your anger and frustration at them, maybe? Maybe they really would consider the PC users' side if they heard your arguments instead of the console dude, who can't change anything in the industry.
What it comes down to is this: At the beginning of last generation (Xbox 360, PS3, Wii) There was a huge influx in people claiming "PC gaming is dead.", or PC gaming is dying." Because console sales, and consequently console game sales were through the roof, and the only PC game selling exceptionally well was World of Warcraft (Also Steam was not yet a big thing). NOW about 7 years later the consoles are old, and don't have the same power as a proper gaming rig does. AS SUCH the PC gamers from 7 years ago who were told "Your medium is dying" are now in a position of gaming superiority (in regards to game quality possibilities) and as such are lashing out at the people who mocked them.... Its basically this the jocks picked on the geeks back in HS.... NOW the geeks have the high paying jobs, and the jocks are driving taxi cabs, so the geeks are gloating......... Its the oldest story in the book, its just the video game version. The cycle will continue when the next generation hits.
At the start of the last generation, consoles were a lot faster than PCs, in every regard. PCs outperformed them pretty soon tho. This new season is different. The new x86 consoles are already like the Wii when compared to, for example, an 600$ pc.MorganL4 said:
You do realise there were more than just one country that saw themselves as a master race back the right?.Amir Kondori said:
Also nice contribution to a thread which added nothing of logical value other than to point a small misconception.
I cannot agree with you more in wanting to see things change, I would hope over the course of the next decade that the gaming industry itself were to change for the good of us gamers.freedash22 said:
it's rather sad that this still happens as a regular cycle throughout most mediums, I personally never thought PC gaming would ever die but I also didn't want any part of a war like we do with consoles vs PC.MorganL4 said:
The one's who were mocked in being told their medium was dying took such words a little too close to ehart and because of that they clung to those words for 7-8 years in bitter resentment, now they lash out at people not even involved with what happened all those years ago because they still clung on to bitter emotions and now use them as a weapon against the console owners (an example I have seen all too well on Gamespot's system wars forum threads with PC users constantly shitting on consoles).
We really need to calm down and not take such words to heart, otherwise the cycle will begin anew with console owners being told their medium is dying (bitter hatred would build over many) and then "if" the tables were to turn the same would happen to PC owners once more.
No one likes being told their medium is shit and dying so why should we hold that grudge and attack another?, fighting fire with fire is not always the way to solve such issues.
Was I just compared to nazi Germany?Shadow-Phoenix said:
The OP asked why PC Gamers act like elitists. I answered the question. I wasn't rubbing anything in anyone's face. I was stating a fact. A fact that is to me, obvious, yet others like to try to ignore it, this is why my post may have come across as arrogant. I can assure you, that was not the intention.Lictor Face said:
Do I think I'm a better person because I play PC instead of console? No
Do I think I play on a superior gaming system? Absolutely.
I'm not even sure how I should reply to you there. Firstly, the fact that console games are developed on PC doesn't mean anything.Shadow-Phoenix said:
Also, if the entire thread consists of PC players trying to seem superior, doesn't that prove my point regarding them feeling threatened rather than disprove it?
I've noticed that just about everywhere, the real nasty hostility actually comes from the console gamers aimed at the PC gamers. It does go both ways though. Personally, I'm a PC guy because I am a real techie. I enjoy building systems, and I do a lot of programming too. I am really good with a keyboard, so I naturally play games on the PC instead of my 360 whenever possible.
I'm not rich, but you don't need to be for high-quality PC gaming. You don't need to buy a whole rig all at once. I'm using an 8-core FX-8150 overclocked to 4.4 GHz w/ 8 GB RAM that I bought over a year ago. A couple months ago I upgraded the video card from a 9800 GT to an HD 7790 for about $180. That old 9800 GT was from an even OLDER computer, and it still played new games fine if you don't obsess over maximum resolution. See, it can easily be a sliding thing with the hardware. No need to shell out a grand all at once.
The cost of the hardware inside my current PC altogether if about $500, a bit less. So, it's around the price of a PS4 and it is considerably more powerful... especially in the CPU!
No hate from me towards console people. Gaming is gaming. The one thing that's hard to argue against though, unless you've never used a mouse in your life, is that FPS and TPS games are much more enjoyable and precise when playing on a PC. You really need an auto-aim crutch in most cases if you're using a controller. GTA V can't come out on the PC soon enough for me.
I'm not rich, but you don't need to be for high-quality PC gaming. You don't need to buy a whole rig all at once. I'm using an 8-core FX-8150 overclocked to 4.4 GHz w/ 8 GB RAM that I bought over a year ago. A couple months ago I upgraded the video card from a 9800 GT to an HD 7790 for about $180. That old 9800 GT was from an even OLDER computer, and it still played new games fine if you don't obsess over maximum resolution. See, it can easily be a sliding thing with the hardware. No need to shell out a grand all at once.
The cost of the hardware inside my current PC altogether if about $500, a bit less. So, it's around the price of a PS4 and it is considerably more powerful... especially in the CPU!
No hate from me towards console people. Gaming is gaming. The one thing that's hard to argue against though, unless you've never used a mouse in your life, is that FPS and TPS games are much more enjoyable and precise when playing on a PC. You really need an auto-aim crutch in most cases if you're using a controller. GTA V can't come out on the PC soon enough for me.
I think we understand eachother, I've been exhausted from work, kept focusing on the wrong stuff.
However Your response here.
However Your response here.
I would take some issue with, and that is that if you build a pc, even a mid size tower, hell even a big one, if you use steam, or other digital download services to get your games, GOG for instance, you can have however many games you want, and don't have piles of disks and shit to store somewhere, so overall, much much less space.
To be fair you can also do what a couple of my friends had done, as had my family back in the PS2 days when we actually used consoles, and buy a box and a set of 1000 clear CD things that are literally the size of the CD, put them all in there, and condense a massive library into a shoebox.DoomyMcDoom said:
There's also the matter of the few games you presently can't acquire via digital download, and the Internet useage required to download those you can. All depends on what you've got as to what you can do.
I like retro consoles & primarily PC game. Possibly, the hostility is sort of a reaction to the annoyance of being left out...Even if the PC version is truly better, it never makes it's way into console debates, even though it is in fact a nonspecific 3ed party console, & both magazines & publishers tend to exclude PC ports or suggest PC-only titles in their magazines (especially annoying since most of the PC gaming magazines went under when the global economy tanked). Naturally the PC port exclusion claims say it's due to concerns over piracy, but we all know about emulators & ROMS.
Most of the arguments I have read in console vs PC actually seem to focus on peripherals, making it more of a joypad vs keyboard; you can play a joypad on your PC, but PC-only gamers tend to find joysticks & joypads incredibly uncomfortable & awkward to use & prefer the ease of a mouse & surplus of hotkeys.
Most of the arguments I have read in console vs PC actually seem to focus on peripherals, making it more of a joypad vs keyboard; you can play a joypad on your PC, but PC-only gamers tend to find joysticks & joypads incredibly uncomfortable & awkward to use & prefer the ease of a mouse & surplus of hotkeys.
Not PC Gamer but to answer the OP to be one you effectively have to become so technically skilled you're virtually ready for A+ certification. The customizable and necessary technical operations and tweaking which have a wider applicability. Then there is the overlap and modding. Many pc gamers have the rigs they due because they are student or professional computer engineers and this leads them to make the most out of their device PLUS they can do more.
And then there is the tech treadmill. While "holding back" is an overstatement for the longest time standards were joke. MS lured lots of properties or companies that were primarily or exclusively PC (the fps in particular) and taking something like that experience only modified (stripped down) for consoles and controllers. I've never met a pc gamer that didn't feel some substantial frustration with nonmouse controls. they spent years learning those skills only to be voided by people who'd put incomplete product out for them to make work and then jumped ship to consoles. There have been some nasty examples to franchises of console ports. Also many of the "new" features of the generation were already a part of PC gaming period and got to the masses for ill effects (good ones but the ill ones stand out and the good didn't benefit the pc gamers but the nonpc gamers) lock on need for official servers with no dedication, the rise of the xbl brat, and the change in acceptable quality for stats. This while PCs became more powerful and cheaper to the point a PS3 was more expensive than similar computer. But they were getting less support.
Its why they swear by their lord and god Newell and his religion Steam.
And then there is the tech treadmill. While "holding back" is an overstatement for the longest time standards were joke. MS lured lots of properties or companies that were primarily or exclusively PC (the fps in particular) and taking something like that experience only modified (stripped down) for consoles and controllers. I've never met a pc gamer that didn't feel some substantial frustration with nonmouse controls. they spent years learning those skills only to be voided by people who'd put incomplete product out for them to make work and then jumped ship to consoles. There have been some nasty examples to franchises of console ports. Also many of the "new" features of the generation were already a part of PC gaming period and got to the masses for ill effects (good ones but the ill ones stand out and the good didn't benefit the pc gamers but the nonpc gamers) lock on need for official servers with no dedication, the rise of the xbl brat, and the change in acceptable quality for stats. This while PCs became more powerful and cheaper to the point a PS3 was more expensive than similar computer. But they were getting less support.
Its why they swear by their lord and god Newell and his religion Steam.
I don't generally dislike console gamers. I don't like consoles, because they combine counterintuitive controls with idiotic price-fixing, overpriced and underpowered hardware, and painful DRM. I don't like devs who design purely to consoles, leaving anyone who doesn't shell out another 400$ to deal with shit controls and menus. I don't like the fact that they've made it nigh-impossible to make cross-platform compatible games, so I can't play multiplayer games with console gamers. Because, as I said, I don't dislike console gamers themselves, just pretty much everything around them. So I'll continue playing with my mouse and keyboard, on the same machine I use for work and internet, and downloading third-party mods to fix the controls.
The last gaming rig I bought the parts for, was easier to assemble than a $10 lego set, and took like 10 minutes, with the only real "difficult" task being, typing in the goddamn serial number for my OS.Darmani said:
There's only a few pieces, and they only fit in ONE WAY IN ONE PLACE, and nowadays most motherboards are clearly labeled, and colour coded.
Whole thing cost $400 canadian including shipping and shipping insurance too, greatest thing is, the only reason I even built it is that I left my 4 year old $600 rig at home on the other side of the coutry when I moved, and I needed a new pc.
Only thing I may need to put into it later when games start catching up more due to the new console generation, is a newer $80 graphics card.
Shit's cheap, easy to assemble, games are cheaper, you can use xbox 360 controllers and I assume later Xbone controllers, all sorts of shit.
By the way, I'm a grade 9 highschool drop out who works at a gas station, if I can build and game on a pc, I figure a person'd hafta have a clinically diagnosed disability to have a better excuse to not be able to do it than me.
the most annoying thing i find is that a lot of games squeezed onto consoles look and operate way better when configured for pc, to the point where it does everybody a disservice when console gamers are forced to deal with the issues of a constrained game, and pc gamers need to tweak the game's performance themselves to, at best, take full advantage of the hardware, and at worst, correct glaring development faults, many of which are easily overcome simply by giving the game the capability of utilizing the full pc power
I am an avid PC gamer and have zero against consoles, their are just some idiotic "PC elitists" that hate consoles for whatever reason...
Any comments you see regarding hate from PC to consoles are either jokes or made by such idiots
Any comments you see regarding hate from PC to consoles are either jokes or made by such idiots
There are console gamers who hate PC gamers. There are playstation gamers who hate xbox gamers. There are PC gamers who hate console gamers. There are individuals in each group convinced they are the best. It's not a PC-specific problem by any means.
But there are also plenty of people who own a gaming pc and one or both consoles (and even a wii!). Not everyone has that kind of money to spend on this hobby, but they certainly exist.
Personally, I think it often comes down to which platform the individual is most familiar and comfortable with. I grew up with a PC. As a kid, I had little exposure to console gaming. Now, I've played all the major consoles and even prefer them for some games, since PC ports can be dodgy. But given a choice, I'll usually go for PC version first. It's not so much that I think PC is superior, but I am more comfortable with it and so I enjoy the experience more. There are other pros and cons I could list for each platform, but that's the main reason.
But there are also plenty of people who own a gaming pc and one or both consoles (and even a wii!). Not everyone has that kind of money to spend on this hobby, but they certainly exist.
Personally, I think it often comes down to which platform the individual is most familiar and comfortable with. I grew up with a PC. As a kid, I had little exposure to console gaming. Now, I've played all the major consoles and even prefer them for some games, since PC ports can be dodgy. But given a choice, I'll usually go for PC version first. It's not so much that I think PC is superior, but I am more comfortable with it and so I enjoy the experience more. There are other pros and cons I could list for each platform, but that's the main reason.