A rant on PC fanboyism

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RhombusHatesYou said:
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In fact... looking at the Ram issue of a console vs a PC, how much of the RAM in a console is dedicated to the game itself? Almost all of it. How much in a PC? Well, let's see, running your anti spyware, anti virus, directx, drivers, drivers, more drivers, SecoRom, Steam, and whatever other non-game related cruft you need to run to keep things going smoothly, plus interface elements for each of the above?

It's. Not. Comparable. If you think it is, you're wrong.
You're right, it's not comparable. 'Almost all' of 512Mb is nowhere near the same as "around half" (Windows is a resource pig) of 4Gb plus another 512-1024Mb of dedicated GPU RAM.
Yes, Any system resource in a dedicated system architecture is more efficiently used than any resource in a non-dedicated system architceture. This has been true from the very beginning and remains forever true. It's not rocket science, it's very very very basic computer science.

And no, your gaming rig is not a dedicated system architecture.

So, yes. Not. Comparable.

Folding#Home is on PS3 for a reason, not just cause it's a way to play music. There's architectural advantages to the PS3 that PCs do not have, and that's why the researchers prefer certain types of calculations be done on the PS3.

That is a FACT. Not propaganda.
 

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The Heik said:
binvjoh said:
Hi there. I'm a PC gamer and I don't hate console gamers.

Actually, most of us don't, just so happends that the ones who do are usually pretty loud about it.
Isn't that always the case huh? The minorities seem to be the most heard group in any situation, whilst the general majority doesn't give a flying skeet disc unless people start complaining about everyone based upon the words of the few.

Sigh....why can't crazy people be crazy alone?
Because they're crazy.
 

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This is funny. Because over the past five or six years I've spent on gaming forums (IGN, Gamespot, TGF, GamingForum and more recently GiantBomb) I've only ever seen PC gamers being taunted. It's only recently that I've seen the PC gaming community retaliate to the console hordes. And believe me, I used to be a part of these angry console virtual lynch mobs. I wasn't quite sure why I was but I was young, I got over it.

However now being both a PC game and gaming on my PS3 I've settled on a simple list of benefits that both the console world have over the PC. And about the only one I can think of that holds up is the comfort factor. I built my PC through trial and error (knowing that I had at least a three year warranty on the components) and I've neve once had to manually update drivers or spend hours on google looking for a solution to a problem. PC gaming today is so easy to get into that it's almost as simple as hooking everything up, installing the game and playing.

There are virtually no downsides to PC gaming. Even the mouse and keyboard are objectively superior once you get used to them. But of course all this being said doesn't mean I don't play on my PS3 a lot too. A lot more of my friends are console gamers so to play with them I need to be on my PS3, plus there's those cool exclusives for the PS3 which I simply have to play. So all in all, that's my two pennies on the argument between both sides. Frankly I'd rather not take sides with PC or Console... why should I when I can play both?
 

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As the first few comments in this thread imply, the people you can talk to aren't the people you're actually talking to; the people you're complaining about are, of course, entitled, deluded twats - and, in extreme cases, just plain dickheads. They can't be reasoned with. They can't be persuaded, or dissuaded. They just suck.
 

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Elitism exists everywhere. Pick a genre of music you like? There are elitists in it. Pick a type of food you enjoy or maybe a type of alcohol? Yeap, there's elitists for it too. The only reason people create stereotypes for things is because we only notice the bad people in any given group and assume everyone in that group (or at least the majority) thinks the same way.

Because I love the future of humanity but hate our nature of hating what is different, I prefer not to communicate with people unless absolutely necessary. In this case it is necessary for me to let you know not to care about elitism and ignore it like any healthy mind should.
 

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I've been playing the PC as long as I can remember. If in any of my posts I ever came of as being up my own arse about it, then apologies all around. I just prefer the PC to consoles because of the variety of stuff you can do than on a console. I have however preferred playing consoles online recently as PC online games are usually riddled with hackers.
 

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DracoSuave said:
Treblaine said:
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Treblaine said:
It is a fact that PC is better than consoles.
Better is and always will be subjective so to say as a fact that one is better than the other is nothing but crap.

Treblaine said:
However it is fanboyism to say that makes it better for everyone as a lot of people are just too casual to appreciate it or master it.
You really think that the only reason people would prefer consoles to PC is that they aren't hardcore enough? What a load of condescending horseshit. That remark truly is the mark of a deluded fanboy.
No it really is a fact. Here is a short list of facts:[/qyuote]

You seem to be aiming alot of hate towards the PC?

The dealing-with-bullshit factor is zero on consoles and huge on PCs.

Running a good console system requires hooking up an HDMI cable to the tv, and plugging it, and syncing a controller. Done.

Running a good computer system requires doing those things, then making sure your system is secure, keeping that maintained, dealing with manufacturers that may or may not have proper drivers, and software publishers that may, or may not, have your hardware configuration in question...

It's called the 'dealing with bullshit' factor. PCs have bullshit you HAVE to deal with. Consoles do not.

Remember that the next time you join a 'hate on DRM' thread. You're dealing with bullshit.

And some people have no patience for the bullshit.
You seem to be aiming alot of hate towards the PC?

Your so called 'dealing with bullshit factor' is bullshit, your saying because I own a computer I'm having to constantly fiddle with it? The only times I've had to mess with settings on my PC is when a Developer releases a shitty port!

You got me with the DRM bullshit but I don't blame the Dev's for that their trying to protect their hardwork yeah it sucks but I understand why they think they need it. Just remember console games get pirated also and they may implement some useless DRM on your console one day.
 

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I play my computer games on PC. I have spent a TON of cash from my allowance these last three years on building a very good, high-end rig, but do I think the PC is better?

Well, only hardware-wise and only sometimes.

You can't really say PC gaming has better graphics, most if not all of the PC's I have seen that were bought by my friends for the same price as a console had CRAP graphics and were REALLY REALLY slow, so the argument of better graphics is invalid.

Alright but what about that ultra powerful alienware desktop I saw yesterday that can run metro 2033 on near maxed out settings? -you ask.

Well think about it, that alienware PC has some very powerful components doesn't it? Some of it is top of the range and was just recently released. Those components that are more powerful than the kind you get in the consoles must therefor also be more expensive then, right? Well there you go, you get what you pay for. Those people who own one of those machines weren't satisfied with the normal graphics of the regular PC or console and felt that they were entitled to much more, after all they have allot of cash to spend so why not spend that extra cash for something that's better than what most people have? And so you have people that spend that extra cash on better equipment that performs better, that's how life works. The people with the most cash get the coolest stuff.

So yes, those PCs WILL be superior to consoles but remember this; it's only the hardware that's stronger.


How can I say this? It's better hardware and therefor better absolutely-everything else, right? Well no.

Yes, the mouse is a MUCH more accurate device to use for aiming on the screen. It moves exactly where your hand moves, the gun stays literally where ever you point it with your fingers. The gamepad on the other hand is a little different. The analog sticks aren't very good at aiming at the same speed or accuracy as your hand , any movement in any direction on the screen will always be at the same pre-determined speed. So if you QUICKLY want to react to someone standing behind you, the mouse is the way to go because it moves as fast as you do with your hand while the analog stick only moves at it's own certain pace. Yes i'm sure some developments have been made to try and fix this problem but the fact still remains that the mouse is more accurate when it comes to pointing at things.

The keyboard on the other hand is nothing more than a gamepad with a crap ton of buttons. Yes that means more functions and features but it also means that things are automatically more complicated due to there being so many buttons. A gamepad is much more approachable for the newbies because it's much simpler. Some PC gamers just prefer the PC interface over the console because they like it this way.

And now for the PC games, I'm not talking about console ports with improved visuals here, I'm talking about the EXCLUSIVES. And seeing as I have just talked about the preferences some people have for the keyboard and mouse, I would just like to say that I HATE the keyboard and mouse control scheme in PC RPGs. In the PC-Exclusive diablo for instance, EVERY action is just *clickclickclickclickclickclickclick* and it makes the game feel more like chores being checked of a checkbox or icons being organised on my desktop than a game, BORING! I hate having to click for everything, I want to feel the pressure of buttons under my fingers to feel engaged in any gameplay. Aiming, shooting, swinging my sword and actual organizing of potions on the other hand should be reserved for the mouse.


"Well there are PC RPGs where the combat is entirely with hotkeys, like in wow"
I hate that too, I want to push ONE button to swing my sword or shoot my gun, not systematically and boringly go through a list of hotkeys and I want my character reacting the very INSTANT I click. Click left mouse button, character swings sword. It's that simple and that's how I like it.

Ok, enough of the game MECHANICS, let's talk about some actual good games.
Hmmm, ALL of the good games that I have enjoyed that were actually fun and engaging and had controls that I liked were ORIGINALLY developed for consoles. Mass effect and assassin's creed, for instance. They were merely ported to the PC.
Metro 2033 is much more of an epic, emotional movie experience such as IMAX than a real game.

These last few paragraphs however, are more MY opinion and doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else. So let's talk about something that DOES bother everyone who games on PC.

On the PC, you get games LATER than on the consoles, or not at all even. How long was assassin's creed brotherhood delayed again? What's that? The NEW assassin's creed won't make it as quickly to the PC either? Oh boohoo. Those console gamers are enjoying their games before I can and RIGHTLY SO. Let me explain, how much of game piracy happens on PC? MOST OF IT. Games are just so easy to pirate on the pc, you just go to a website and download whatever you feel like downloading. It's so easy it's almost as if it was DESIGNED to be easy. Developers thus need to spend more time developing strict drm for the pc. Also, developing games on a PC isn't really as easy as on a console, there are thousands of different combinations of hardware to develop for instead of the single configuration of the PS3, developing your game to work with every combo out there in such a way that it doesn't have any problems just isn't easy these days. And some developers just give up developing for PC entirely, why would that be despite all the reasons I have just mentioned you wonder? Well because piracy has gotten so bad that a complete version of Crysis 2 has been pirated and made readily available BEFORE it was ever even released!

The sad thing is, despite all these terrible flaws, some PC gamers still manage to view themselves as "the glorious master race", and then go pirate duke nukem forever and wonder "why do developers hate us?".

Oh dear.

Sorry about the article I just basically wrote, it certainly is a huge wall of text.
 

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Really, it's overcompensation. PC games have never been the key focus for game developers and never will be (this recent emphasis on casual motion controls proves that) so I accept the phenomenal arrogance - it's simply making up for lost ground. The flaw is that if you buy a PC you may not even be able to play certain titles with your shoddy graphics card that didn't cost over £100 to install, on top of that £500 PC you already bought. Really, technical prowess doesn't mean anything when you look at how developers use it. Uncharted 2 and 3 look better than any PC game I've ever seen, and they're PS3 exclusives. That's not the point though; difficulty, additional control capabilities, complexity and graphics do not a good game make and some of the most rewarding and engaging titles are the simplest. The PC has a thriving indie market which demonstrates this fact to the point, and that's a point I will always defend the PC for.
 

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Racecarlock said:
binvjoh said:
Hi there. I'm a PC gamer and I don't hate console gamers.

Actually, most of us don't, just so happends that the ones who do are usually pretty loud about it.
Then this rant didn't apply to you. Read the disclaimer.
The title makes it seem like a generic rant. DEspite the disclaimer, most PC gamers couldn't give a fuck what you play games on. Just the ones that do have to belittle those to the point it becomes quite a known problem, and the stereotype is born.

How I hate the internet sometimes. My platform of choice has the stigma of making me a smug bastard despite the fact I loved my PS3 when I had it, had to sell it for moneys though :(
 

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in response to my thread i wasn't claiming that PC gamers where the master race i just didn't undertsnad or even know what it was until i came to this site and i agree with your opinion that PC gamers that lord over us and act like nobles among peasents are pricks.
I myslef am a console gamer and i love my PS3(i loved my 360 then it died) and the only games i play on my PC are old RTS games which is my favourite genre. so in this thread i'm actually on your side and would appciate it if you would take the link to my thread down or change the adjictive describing it.
Racecarlock said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.290579-Whats-with-PC-gamers-being-the-master-race
 

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A lot of it is misplaced anger, certainly. I'm a PC gamer, and I have big problems with the increased emphasis on console gaming. You are right to blame the developers, and people are wrong to blame fellow gamers, but try to understand where a lot of us are coming from. So few games are developed for the PC any more, and we get a lot of shitty ports. This year you can point to about 3 games which are actually designed for PC, Portal 2, Battlefield 3 and the Witcher 2. We constantly hear bullshit excuses from the developers, like piracy is only a PC problem, and people just get frustrated.
This, and considering that a PC is bloody expensive, we have every right to complain when devs just forget about us. A good PC can cost 2x or even 3x a gaming console, up to almost 10x if you buy second hand, the stakes are a lot higher for us if devs just become slobs.

Devs cater to consoles, we get angy, you get angry, we all get angry and blame each-other and not the devs who should split the orders a little better.
 

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kurokenshi said:
DracoSuave said:
Treblaine said:
Father Time said:
Treblaine said:
It is a fact that PC is better than consoles.
Better is and always will be subjective so to say as a fact that one is better than the other is nothing but crap.

Treblaine said:
However it is fanboyism to say that makes it better for everyone as a lot of people are just too casual to appreciate it or master it.
You really think that the only reason people would prefer consoles to PC is that they aren't hardcore enough? What a load of condescending horseshit. That remark truly is the mark of a deluded fanboy.
No it really is a fact. Here is a short list of facts:[/qyuote]

You seem to be aiming alot of hate towards the PC?

The dealing-with-bullshit factor is zero on consoles and huge on PCs.

Running a good console system requires hooking up an HDMI cable to the tv, and plugging it, and syncing a controller. Done.

Running a good computer system requires doing those things, then making sure your system is secure, keeping that maintained, dealing with manufacturers that may or may not have proper drivers, and software publishers that may, or may not, have your hardware configuration in question...

It's called the 'dealing with bullshit' factor. PCs have bullshit you HAVE to deal with. Consoles do not.

Remember that the next time you join a 'hate on DRM' thread. You're dealing with bullshit.

And some people have no patience for the bullshit.
You seem to be aiming alot of hate towards the PC?

Your so called 'dealing with bullshit factor' is bullshit, your saying because I own a computer I'm having to constantly fiddle with it? The only times I've had to mess with settings on my PC is when a Developer releases a shitty port!

You got me with the DRM bullshit but I don't blame the Dev's for that their trying to protect their hardwork yeah it sucks but I understand why they think they need it. Just remember console games get pirated also and they may implement some useless DRM on your console one day.
I have no hate towards the PC games or gamer community.

I hate PC whiners who spend all their time parading their consoles supremecy and then blame everyone else but themselves or their console's glaring weaknesses for its demise.

When you combine self-importance with elitist and willful ignorance of the realities of his chosen platform... you have the PC elitist posting obviously incorrect trite like 'It's better!' and blaming consoles for their own shortcomings.

I don't hate PCs. I just hate the fantards.

Dyme said:
Well, PC gamers are whiny bitches because potentionally good games sometimes get unnecessary/bad controls to make it console compatible.

And console gamers are whiny bitches for the sake of being a whiny *****. Like our OP.
Like this guy.
 

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PCification of console games.
Seriously? Computers were around before consoles. That's a fact. Therefore all games can only be "console-ised" and not the other way around.
 

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I'm not talking about graphical potential, I'm talking about artistic freedom. The more advanced hardware becomes the more easier it is to realize amazing ideas. It's not always about how amazing a game can look.

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I disagree. The UI was optimized for a console controller rather than keyboard and mouse. This is quite sad giving that CD Projekt claimed their focus was the PC.

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Nope. Bethesda even claimed their man focus were the consoles and one of the developers(I think) stated that they would just port the game to the PC.

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He said the game was developed with consoles in mind, not the PC. I find it very hard to take the guy seriously after the bullshit that was Doom 3 and Daikatana. Rage is being developed for consoles first and foremost and I refuse to support a developer that straight out lies and abandons its main audience. The same goes for Bethesda.


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Like anyone gives a shit. They sold marginally well on the consoles so now everyone is claiming PC gaming is just not worth it whilst failing to realize there hasn't been a decent PC centric game for quite a while now. I don't understand what publishers (fuck them) and developers want from PC gamers. Do they expect us to just buy every single shitty port they churn out on the market? It seems that nowadays if a port doesn't sell well at least ONE developer will start spewing bullshit about how PC gaming is just not worth it whereas without PC gaming the majority of modern developers wouldn't even exist.

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Call of Duty is a terrible franchise and Activision has made it quite clear how much they give a shit about PC gamers. Besides, have you seen how horribly optimized that game is? Fuck them, seriously.

If my memory isn't fucking with me right now, Bad Company 2 did the same thing. BC2 was the biggest piece of shit to hit the PC market in quite a while.

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It was a port and it was a shitty port at that. Besides, the Fable 3 sucked.

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The concept behind "Kinect" is quite interesting and the technology used might end up revolutionizing a lot of things. One of the things it won't revolutionize, however, is gaming. One of the main problem is lack of GOOD third party support. As of now the only games released for the Kinect are just plain shit. The other problem is the fact that there's no way to actually "move" your character which pretty much means any decent games that will come out for it will most likely be rail shooters.

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Oh please. Capcom straight out promised they won't re-release SF2 a gajillion times and they did just that. Also, Arcade Edition is a port is it not?
Andy... I love ya' but I can't do the multiple quoting and the editing and keeping track of it all.

But lets try. You've got a lot of good points to cover.

On BF3: well the point is they still lead on PC. They weren't help back by leading development on 360. That was kind of my point.

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You are right that Witcher 2 is designed with a gamepad in mind, but that is NOT the same as developing with console in mind. Consider that for the type of game it was trying to be, a gamepad would be more suited to the job! A PC does not become a console when you plug in a gamepad, it is still very much a PC game that makes use of a very common peripheral.

Trackmania is an exclusive PC series yet it is only really playable with a gamepad. it's not that the GAME was biased towards gamepad, it is the very GAMESTYLE is biased towards gamepad just like FPS/TPS games are biased towards keyboard and mouse. With PC you have the choice to use the best controller for the job.

Witcher 2's graphics were made to a level with a whole order of magnitude more detail and correspondingly needing more horsepower than 360 has close to. It will very much be ported to 360.

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Ah shame about Elder Scrolls, but still, even a console port is better than actually playing it on a console! Especially when the inevitable mods come. I mean it's a first person game, you HAVE to play that with mouse + keyboard... if you have a choice

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Hey, I liked Doom 3 for what it was and I don't think Carmack had anything to do with Daikatana. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt when he says the PC version will be the best version and far better than console versions, even if it means plugging in a gamepad for the driving heavy parts.

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No decent PC-centric game for a while now?
-Torchlight
-Magicka
-Amnesia Dark Ascent
-Killing floor
-Almost every Valve game (HL2: Ep2, Portal, TF2, L4D 1&2)
-Starcraft
-Total War series
-STALKER
-Metro 2033

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Yep, COD is a pretty terrible franchise, but it's engaging and active multiplayer and even though poorly optimised on PC; It's still better than playing the console versions. Higher res, with higher framerate, dedicated servers and of course: Mouse + keyboard controls.

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Again, my opinion is a Console-to-PC Port better than a Console-only game. And though Fable is pretty poor now, Microsoft values it and I think we can read a lot into them bringing it back to PC... similar things with them officially supporting Kinect with PC

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Oh and I like how Capcom effectively did PC gamers a favour not releasing super Street Fighter 4 on PC, as it would be so redundant with SSFiV Arcade Edition.
 

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DracoSuave said:
kurokenshi said:
DracoSuave said:
Treblaine said:
Father Time said:
Treblaine said:
It is a fact that PC is better than consoles.
Better is and always will be subjective so to say as a fact that one is better than the other is nothing but crap.

Treblaine said:
However it is fanboyism to say that makes it better for everyone as a lot of people are just too casual to appreciate it or master it.
You really think that the only reason people would prefer consoles to PC is that they aren't hardcore enough? What a load of condescending horseshit. That remark truly is the mark of a deluded fanboy.
No it really is a fact. Here is a short list of facts:[/qyuote]

You seem to be aiming alot of hate towards the PC?

The dealing-with-bullshit factor is zero on consoles and huge on PCs.

Running a good console system requires hooking up an HDMI cable to the tv, and plugging it, and syncing a controller. Done.

Running a good computer system requires doing those things, then making sure your system is secure, keeping that maintained, dealing with manufacturers that may or may not have proper drivers, and software publishers that may, or may not, have your hardware configuration in question...

It's called the 'dealing with bullshit' factor. PCs have bullshit you HAVE to deal with. Consoles do not.

Remember that the next time you join a 'hate on DRM' thread. You're dealing with bullshit.

And some people have no patience for the bullshit.
You seem to be aiming alot of hate towards the PC?

Your so called 'dealing with bullshit factor' is bullshit, your saying because I own a computer I'm having to constantly fiddle with it? The only times I've had to mess with settings on my PC is when a Developer releases a shitty port!

You got me with the DRM bullshit but I don't blame the Dev's for that their trying to protect their hardwork yeah it sucks but I understand why they think they need it. Just remember console games get pirated also and they may implement some useless DRM on your console one day.
I have no hate towards the PC games or gamer community.

I hate PC whiners who spend all their time parading their consoles supremecy and then blame everyone else but themselves or their console's glaring weaknesses for its demise.

When you combine self-importance with elitist and willful ignorance of the realities of his chosen platform... you have the PC elitist posting obviously incorrect trite like 'It's better!' and blaming consoles for their own shortcomings.

I don't hate PCs. I just hate the fantards.

Dyme said:
Well, PC gamers are whiny bitches because potentionally good games sometimes get unnecessary/bad controls to make it console compatible.

And console gamers are whiny bitches for the sake of being a whiny *****. Like our OP.
Like this guy.
I am only responding to a whiny person. I didn't create that thread.

Console gamers get their console games. Everything should be fine for them. Yet they are the only ones creating these whiny shit threads.

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.
 

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Extragorey said:
Racecarlock said:
PCification of console games.
Seriously? Computers were around before consoles. That's a fact. Therefore all games can only be "console-ised" and not the other way around.
Yes, we all know the market success of Pong running on the UNIAC. What days those were when people would pump quarters into the machine, then in the next room the vacuum tubes would fire up and you could move that little pong paddle...

Just so you know, the first gaming console was made in 1972. The first IBM PC was made in 1981. BUT THAT'S OKAY IT JUMPED PACK IN TIME SO YOU ARE CORRECT IN EVERY WAY.


Except for the fact you are incorrect.
 

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Good game, no. Terrible game, Brutal Legend. Halo Wars. RTS on console doesn't work. Period.
Haven't played BL but Halo Wars is fine, not exactly hard to play. It all depends on preference.

Edit: Oh, and even if the games for PC are crappy ports, they are still better than our version in the costs and content.
I think PC games are at least £10 cheaper, and you get mods for games whereas we don't. So you still get the better port.
 

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Disclaimer: PC gamer, only use fanboyish terms like "PC gaming master race" in jest.

It's reasonable to ask PC gamers to stop blaming console gamers for the consolification of PC games - you're right, that's not fair on console gamers. But when's the last time you heard console gamers going "yeah, that's bullshit, throw them a bone" in response to a PC game being squashed into a 512MB package? Seems like console gamers only fight on the same side as PC gamers when it's something that impacts both parties and disrupts their own play (like the walled cities in Bethesda games after Oblivion).

Console-focused development means PCs get blurry textures and walled-off environments in what is supposed to be an open world. (I'd say it's also fair to say PCs get an impoverished choice outside of its specialised genres - take a look at the list of games in Extra Credits' "Games You Might Not Have Tried (But Should)" and count the console-onlies.)