A rant on PC fanboyism

[Tdc2182]

You would undoubtedly hate it if console gamers were constantly blaming PC gamers for more complicated games or the PCification of console games.

As if they don't already do that. I don't know about these forums, but generally PC gamers are usually the victims, not the other way around.

I've never heard of anything where PC players could be considered victims.

OT: They have every reason to feel superior.

They've put a minimum of a thousand dollars to rub it in your face, all for the perfect settings. Let them.

I don't have too update my Xbox 360 every other year.... Red ring of death doesn't count.

 

[socialmenace42]

PCification of console games.

Seriously? Computers were around before consoles. That's a fact. Therefore all games can only be "console-ised" and not the other way around.

I kinda see what you mean, but if you take the fact that there have been consoles for so long that certain games get designed specifically for them now, they could be PCified.

In all honesty, I think some people have missed the point somehow. I'm a console gamer and I don't resent PC gamers (assuming for a moment that you can apply either of these labels since I'm in no way exclisivist) however i do feel disdain towards anyone who insists that their preferred medium is better than everyone elses. Even if you try to make a balanced argument out of it, it falles flat against the fact that preference is key.

I for example like the xbox 360 more than the PS3. I don't even have that many well based reasons for that, I just do. does that mean that I'm going to call people out far saying that they like the PS3 or that the xbox sucks? No.

 

[Maze1125]

If PC gaming is better than console gaming, what barriers are stopping it from being the most popular outside of certain PC-based genres (MMOs, RTSs, etc)

The average consumer and the fact the average consumer cares more about things being as simple as possible rather than being good.

I hate to say this, but there are reasons that the PC isn't as prevalent a platform and you can't simply handwave those reasons with a 'It's just better' and a torrent of fanboyism while decrying the fact that the platform is dying.

Yes, there are reasons?
And?
None of those reasons mean it's not better, just that it's not as attractive to your average consumer.

Also, PC gaming isn't dying at all.
According to people PC gaming has been "dying" for 20 years.

Those are to contradictory opinions. Either it is better or it is dying.

Hate to break it to you, but it's pretty much accepted nowadays that Social Darwinism is total bollocks.
Things can be better and yet still lose out.

Fact is, some -aspects- of PC gaming is better, but others are absolutely terrible. Developers will mention the problems inherent in having less unified hardware than consoles. Comparing raw stats between a console and a PC is as valid as comparing the clock speed of an intel and an AMD. That's nice , band allut the numbers aren't comparable given the architecture differences.

That doesn't mean they're not comparable, you just have to account for the differences.

My PS3 might have had its network hacked... but I don't have to run and do research on the latest anti-virus and anti-spyware in order to use it without having a million pop-ups up.

Neither do I. It called being sensible and not downloading a load of spy-ware in the first place.

In fact... looking at the Ram issue of a console vs a PC, how much of the RAM in a console is dedicated to the game itself? Almost all of it. How much in a PC? Well, let's see, running your anti spyware, anti virus, directx, drivers, drivers, more drivers, SecoRom, Steam, and whatever other non-game related cruft you need to run to keep things going smoothly, plus interface elements for each of the above?

It's. Not. Comparable. If you think it is, you're wrong.

Well, I know for a fact that all those things can run on 4 gig of RAM or less. So, given my system has 8 gig of RAM available for use, that leaves at least 4 gig left over for dedicated gaming. More than any console.

Fact: PC Gaming isn't making as much money as console gaming.

That's the ONLY fact that matters, and if you can't get THAT through your head, then blaming consoles, console gamers, or anyone else is a waste of time and bandwidth. Instead, look at THAT problem, and do what you can to solve it, not make it worse.

That's exactly the fact I'm looking at, console gaming makes more money because the average consumer prefers things to be simpler rather than better. So they buy the simpler thing rather than the better thing.

From there, people who want to make money see that they should make things simpler in order to make that money, and dedicate themselves to the simpler systems.

The result being that the better, more complex, system is left out in the cold.

What is the original cause of that, the people who throw their money and the simplest and least complex things, regardless of their actual quality.

Of course, you can arbitrarily redefine the word "better" as "the most appealing thing". But that doesn't change anything, it's just an attempt at an equivocation fallacy.

Yes, consoles are much simpler to use than PCs.
Yes, most people prefer simpler things.
Yes, as a result gaming PCs sell a lot less well than console. Equally, their games.

So, yes, I feel it's quite clear the cause of a lot of dumbing down in gaming is down to your average console player not wanting games to be any more complex.

And so, yes, I feel quite justified in blaming said console players for the dumbing down.

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't just confine this view to gaming, but all consumerism. I very much dislike how much of the world is being made a simple as possible because people refuse to learn how to use more complex things, and as a result functionality is lost. Console gaming is simply the occasion of this at hand.

Cause, how do those boycotts [http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/13/how-not-to-boycott-modern-warfare-2/] work out for ya?

Well that was a real non-sequitur...

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

In fact... looking at the Ram issue of a console vs a PC, how much of the RAM in a console is dedicated to the game itself? Almost all of it. How much in a PC? Well, let's see, running your anti spyware, anti virus, directx, drivers, drivers, more drivers, SecoRom, Steam, and whatever other non-game related cruft you need to run to keep things going smoothly, plus interface elements for each of the above?

It's. Not. Comparable. If you think it is, you're wrong.

You're right, it's not comparable. 'Almost all' of 512Mb is nowhere near the same as "around half" (Windows is a resource pig) of 4Gb plus another 512-1024Mb of dedicated GPU RAM.

Yes, Any system resource in a dedicated system architecture is more efficiently used than any resource in a non-dedicated system architceture. This has been true from the very beginning and remains forever true. It's not rocket science, it's very very very basic computer science.

If you were arguing for more efficient use of resources due to dedicated architecture and far less OS bloat I don't disagree... However if you're going to argue that these efficiencies are sufficient to overcome what has now become a massive deficiency in available resources... well, I'd like to hear how.

I mean, how 256Mb of 400Mz XDR RAM is equel to 2048Mb of 1333Hz DDR3 RAM would be something interesting to learn. No sarcasm there, it would be.

And no, your gaming rig is not a dedicated system architecture.

No, it's general computing open/non-dedicated (I use 'open' but some people only use that to mean 'non-proprietary') architecture like PCs are supposed to be.

Wasn't talking about my rig, anyway, mine has more RAM than I need for gaming because I like the extra room for large art projects.

Folding#Home is on PS3 for a reason, not just cause it's a way to play music. There's architectural advantages to the PS3 that PCs do not have, and that's why the researchers prefer certain types of calculations be done on the PS3.

Wait... you mean the distributed processing prog is on PS3 or that their main number cruncher is a PS3 network? Just having client application is nothing, it's very low requirement. Hell, distributed processing is based on the idea of harnessing as many platforms as possible, swapping out per unit performance in a dedicated network for a massive, distributed 'loose' network of platforms of lesser computational power.

Building a modest wee supercomputer out of networked PS3s running a 'Nix based OS, well that's just simple economics if you've got someone willing to bolt and wire the lot of them together. Far cheaper than buying one or trying to kludge one together from servers. I mean, if I was going to build a supercomputer I'd do it with FPGAs or qbit CPUs but the price on those is insane.

I don't doubt certain types of processes work more efficiently on the CELL CPU.

That is a FACT.

I'd like some clarification there.

 

[Fenix7]

I've never heard of anything where PC players could be considered victims.

Ironic that you're posting in a thread that is basically PC hate. Which, as mentioned many times in this thread, is not the first thread of this kind in these forums.

Also, there are plenty of people on the internet that use any chance they get to bash/make fun of PC gamers. Just head to any gaming site where people can comment on posts, whenever something along the lines of "X game will not come out on PC" is posted, many "lol PC gaming" and such posts will appear in a matter of minutes.

OT: They have every reason to feel superior.

They've put a minimum of a thousand dollars to rub it in your face, all for the perfect settings. Let them.

Sorry but what you just said oozes ignorance. To build a PC capable of running almost every new game on decent settings (better than what any other console can, anyway) you don't need thousands of dollars.

Anyway there's a sense of gratification most PC gamers get from being able to tinker with the game settings resulting in being able to play games your hardware technically shouldn't support, but you probably don't understand what it means.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Just so you know, the first gaming console was made in 1972. The first IBM PC was made in 1981.

Yeah but IBM didn't make the first personal computer. Hell, Radio Shack beat them by 4 years.


<3 TRS-80, 2nd thing I ever gamed on at home after a shitty Hanimax Pong+ console.

 

[Accountfailed]

nnnnnnope! ain't touchin' this one.

*exits in a fanciful manner*

 

[Popido]

Oh cmon! I cant blame the developers. They just point their faults at the console gamers.

How am I supposed to avoid this current trend? You could always just ignore the bad mouthing, but guess what choices I have? Avoiding these games. Now I just dont play or buy games anymore.

My gaming currently consist of downloading old games and waiting for modders and indie developers to create something "original". And thats what really gets me. The modder and indie community is now the well of "originality". If I complain that the current genres lack originality, Im getting directed to indie market.

The indie market is not taking wind because gaming is doing so "fucking awesome". The indie market is trying to answer to the lack of originality. No, lets just say talent.

Now, I dont hate consoles, but I do hate you. Because of you, games are being ript apart and sold in pieces, watered down and recycled with "new" coating. And I blame it on you. As its you who accepts this. Not me. Not humanity. You. You deserve every inch of my hate.

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Rantity rant rant.

 

[DSK-]

God this makes me want to make a thread about 'Console elitism and fanboyism'. You know, just to make a change.

Seriously, no one really cares what gaming platform you enjoy using. Use what you feel comfortable with and ignore idiots spouting off things without at least stating the facts as to why they are good/bad.

As long as you enjoy playing on them, regardless of my or anyone else's opinions, it doesn't matter.

 

[dantoddd]

I've started visiting gaming forum's only recently and I find the PeeCee elitist annoying, and their demands rather stupid. Although being a PC gamer myself I understand where some of this is coming from. I also thing PC gaming is becoming resurgent again. I'm hearing a lot more from the industry about PC gaming. that is good thing in general and this is also probably emboldening some of the PC fan-boys.

 

[kasperbbs]

This could apply to any fanboy who thinks that his item is the best damn thing ever made. As a PC gamer i hold no grudge against consoles or their owners, i would buy one myself if i could spare the money. As for 'dumbing down' i don't really see it, mass effect 2 for example, a lot of people were pissed that they removed the inventory, i was actually glad that i didn't have to reequip my squad every 5 minutes because i picked up a better rifle/armor or an upgrade. And graphics, well developers could make games with increasingly better graphics but that would require us to upgrade our systems every six months, i'm playing games on high settings with my 3 year old rig and i'm happy, but i can see why some people could be pissed after spending thousands of dollars on their machine and not using it to it's full potential.

 

[Zyntoxic]

heh, for my part I'm ok with the lesser graphics considering I can't afford a new PC.

In any case:

I love my PC, I love my Xbox 360, I would really love to be able to afford the PS3 one day, and I've saved all my old consoles all the way back to the megadrive, and I love every one of my little gaming machines from the stationary ones to the handheld ones.

Point is they all have their charms, mmo:s are getting bigger and bigger, for most part keeping the PC alive and I do prefer mouse and keyboard for RTS and FPS, and some RPGs even do better on PC.
But no platform game like jak and daxter or rayman ever did as well on my PC as it did on my PS2, and I'm glad I never even touched Jade empire on the pc, for the flow of the game really suited the Xbox.
Snd seriously guys, there is no better party console than the Wii.
And I've never had so much fun with a zelda game as I had on the DS with panthom hourglas.

Elitism is silly on any part, and most of all it is limiting.

Sure it made me tremendously sad when they destroyed the lovely strategic combat system from DAO in Dragon age II to better suit the console controls.

It is equally strange and annoying like when me and my friend were comparing stories from ME1, both playing Infiltrator he on his console barely even could use his sniper in the boss fight, while I was almost disappointed at how easy it was with my mouse and keyboard.

I'm not saying either control is superior, but they are good for different things.

Like when a class mate, who was rather fanboyish of his 360 told me the 360 control was better for FPS because it required more skill... at this I lashed out and said sure I can also use a joystick for playing starcaft and say "i'm more skilled" but that in it self seemes rather daft.

It is just a shame that (this might just come off in a wrong way but I'm trying to explain in the best way I can) people get so locked up in their choice of platform, sure I definitley understand from an economical point of view, but it is this limitation that makes developers just look at where the money comes from, not where their game would fit the best, at a console, a PC or perhaps even hand held.
It should be about the experience but in the end it becomes about the money, and in the end even that is really not that hard to understand, even game devs needs to make a living.
So you can't put the blame on either side, we need to accept a little veriety, accept that diffrent things work for different purposes, it's like if I'd insist on running in heels because thoses sneakers look so damn ugly.
Then perhaps dev would make games that actually fits the platform they put it on.


A lot of people probably have said similar things, but there u have it from my perspective.

Love the games for what they are not the platforms.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Anyway there's a sense of gratification most PC gamers get from being able to tinker with the game settings resulting in being able to play games your hardware technically shouldn't support, but you probably don't understand what it means.

That's because many PC gamers are also PC hardware enthusiasts, ranging from people who just like to keep up with tech news on the hardware front through to extreme overclockers and those mad bastards who hand build their own components.

 

[Tdc2182]

Sorry but what you just said oozes ignorance. To build a PC capable of running almost every new game on decent settings (better than what any other console can, anyway) you don't need thousands of dollars.

Never said thousands. I said a thousand. This lab top that I'm using right now costs around 900 dollars, and it can barely run Minecraft on the highest settings.

If you focus entirely on gaming and gaming alone, you can build a decent gaming rig for a little over a thousand dollars US. I know multiple people who are purely PC gamers, and many of them have tried to set me up with a rig of my own.

They've all come back to me with the same price range. 950-1250$. I've looked into it extensively. The lowest I found on my own would have gotten me about 1100$

Anyway there's a sense of gratification most PC gamers get from being able to tinker with the game settings resulting in being able to play games your hardware technically shouldn't support, but you probably don't understand what it means.

You know that PC Elitism thing? It's really shining through you right about now.

And for the most part, that wasn't that I was talking about. It's 6 in the morning and I haven't gone to bed, so I'm gonna give the spark notes.

I was referring to how making games purely for PC is difficult, because PCs have a much broader scale of performance developers have to adapt their games for. It doesn't matter if you can play Crysis at the highest settings, you are going to have games that you can't run smoothly because a game wasn't designed with you in mind.

Ironic that you're posting in a thread that is basically PC hate. Which, as mentioned many times in this thread, is not the first thread of this kind in these forums.

Last time I checked he was complaining about how PC users tend to downcast Console users. I don't think there's any irony in this.

Also, there are plenty of people on the internet that use any chance they get to bash/make fun of PC gamers. Just head to any gaming site where people can comment on posts, whenever something along the lines of "X game will not come out on PC" is posted, many "lol PC gaming" and such posts will appear in a matter of minutes.

Never had that experience.

 

[DracoSuave]

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.

And why is that, do you think?

Is it because consoles are shitty? No, actually, they are not. Not any more. They are powerful machines, with processing power well above the price point.

Have you possibly considered that the higher the system requirements, the more expensive a game is to create? And that it is much.. MUCH cheaper to create games with the expectation of a lower system requirement, because the majority of people buying the game for PC won't ever use the higher system specs? It's literally a waste of money that raises prices for no gain to the average consumer?

There are games that leverage the PC's strengths... sometimes a game is better with over a hundred buttons (MMOs, RTSs) and sometimes it's a lot cheaper to release a game with low cost with no middleman (Indy games I'm looking at you) but when you want to go Triple A... well... computers are just not the best platform for how much the company gets per dollar spent.

In an era where game development is getting more and more expensive, and PC gamers are demanding more and more shineys because of the money they put into their systems... maybe companies simply can't afford to focus on them any more. There just isn't enough money in it to justify making PC games their top priority.

There's many facets to the problem and rampant hat of consoles OR PCs doesn't help PC gamers get what they want.

But yes, a lot of it is entitlement... PC gamers feel entitled to games of quality the money they pay does not support. That's a reality that has nothing to do with consoles... be glad they have consoles to make their money from and make games at all.

Fine example of CONSOLE fanboy that has no brain. " They are powerful machines, with processing power well above the price point." He thinks that all PC gamers want is better graphics... I still play System Shock 2. Inventory alone would make his brain explode, and you have to aim yourself there!

System Shock 2 is not a terribly good example of what games they are making these days, nor of the PC-elitists bawwwfest about how they aren't being catered to.

But hey, don't address the points on expense of development and just go 'Well System Shock 2 was good so you're wrong.' Way to make an irrelevant point.

And System Shock 2's inventory system wasn't great. There's better ways to accomplish the same depth. I much preferred Deus Ex for that.

Also, your being an asshat about it only proves the point.

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.

<- amen /thread

You don't pay enough for many developers to afford top quality. When you pay more, they can afford to put in more. This is not rocket surgery. Game companies are there to make money, not lose it.

But you've missed my points, instead of ignoring the platform's weaknesses for developers, how do you leverage the PC so that it can be profitable enough to have the games you claim you want to pay for?

I know you want to ignore that question and just cry 'SHITTY PORTS WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA' again, which I'm sure is working out very well for you and is resulting in some very deep and complex games... or maybe you can shut the fuck up about it, and look at it like this: How can we get the companies that make the games we love the cash they need so they can make the games we love the way we love them?

No no, go ahead and cry and whine and piss and moan some more. It's not like that question's answer will save your platform of choice or anything. Just keep ignoring it and pretending your platform is the holy motherland of ubergaming and that it has absolutely no problems and that developers love its quirks and eccentricities and that ATI and NVIDIA aren't in some competition to make the others products look worse and that lack of standardization is good for gaming.

No no. Don't answer the important question. Just ignore it and it will go away!

 

[Tohuvabohu]

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.

And why is that, do you think?

Is it because consoles are shitty? No, actually, they are not. Not any more. They are powerful machines, with processing power well above the price point.

Have you possibly considered that the higher the system requirements, the more expensive a game is to create? And that it is much.. MUCH cheaper to create games with the expectation of a lower system requirement, because the majority of people buying the game for PC won't ever use the higher system specs? It's literally a waste of money that raises prices for no gain to the average consumer?

There are games that leverage the PC's strengths... sometimes a game is better with over a hundred buttons (MMOs, RTSs) and sometimes it's a lot cheaper to release a game with low cost with no middleman (Indy games I'm looking at you) but when you want to go Triple A... well... computers are just not the best platform for how much the company gets per dollar spent.

In an era where game development is getting more and more expensive, and PC gamers are demanding more and more shineys because of the money they put into their systems... maybe companies simply can't afford to focus on them any more. There just isn't enough money in it to justify making PC games their top priority.

There's many facets to the problem and rampant hat of consoles OR PCs doesn't help PC gamers get what they want.

But yes, a lot of it is entitlement... PC gamers feel entitled to games of quality the money they pay does not support. That's a reality that has nothing to do with consoles... be glad they have consoles to make their money from and make games at all.

Personally speaking, and I think I'm entirely reasonable when I say this; I don't want "shiney gfx" from a console port. What I want from a console port, is for it not to run like shit, and by extension, control like shit.

I think most PC gamers would agree with that. I dunno about "entitlement", but wouldn't you be extra pissed off when you buy a game that should run exceptionally well based on the listed hardware requirements, only to find out that it runs like complete ass no matter what you do? And there's almost a complete lack of video options or .ini's to try and tweak the game to run well on a system it should already run well to begin with. Wouldn't that rightfully piss you off too?

 

[scw55]

I actaully prefer playing action RPGs with a console gaming pad.
Turn based and Real time strategy I prefer on the PC.
Simulation I prefer on the PC.
FPSs on the PC.

I don't get any form of dispute between the two gaming system camps. Both systems are better at different things. Can't we leave it like that?

No, because people always enjoy poking the hornet's nest.

 

[Atmos Duality]

ATTENTION ALL FELLOW PC GAMERS: If you do not like the dumbing down of PC games, do not play the ones the get dumbed down.

Doesn't fix the problem; not while consoles remain the dominant market.
If the publishers know that they can make a big pile of money with console games, then they will make console games. Period.
PC gamers ignoring ports would indeed reduce the number of shitty port-games on PC...because the publishers would simply ignore PC as a platform entirely.

No, the only way to stop this dumbing-down of games is to make PC gaming look like the better market option, and that simply cannot happen while consoles remain as popular as they do.

This is why it's not unreasonable to suggest that PC gaming has lost, at least compared to consoles. It's certainly not going to die as a platform entirely though; that's just stupid.

 

[Treblaine]

I will reply to the post quote-boxed below because you have been markedly more mature and respectful, unlike your last posts that included you resorting to, well, this:

"Put forth why people want 'dumbing down.' You'll notice the phrase itself is loaded with 'I AM BETTER THAN YOU AND THEY SHOULD ONLY LISTEN TO ME BAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW' connotations that do not help your case. Grow the fuck up, and present your argument like a man, not like a simpering fop."

...

Do you think that is acceptable?

It is a fact that PC is better than consoles.

Better is and always will be subjective so to say as a fact that one is better than the other is nothing but crap.

However it is fanboyism to say that makes it better for everyone as a lot of people are just too casual to appreciate it or master it.

You really think that the only reason people would prefer consoles to PC is that they aren't hardcore enough? What a load of condescending horseshit. That remark truly is the mark of a deluded fanboy.

No it really is a fact. Here is a short list of facts:
-Graphical power= better on PC, look at the benchmarks
-Controls= US military and law-enforcement virtual training programs have determined Mouse + keyboard are better than ANY other input device for aiming and movement in first/third person perspective
-Customisation= undeniably better on PC
-Online= dedicated servers are STANDARD on PC, anything less NOT ACCEPTED.
-Mods= you cannot mod 360/PS3 without being banned
-Games Price= steam sales? There are no better deals in the industry.

The dealing-with-bullshit factor is zero on consoles and huge on PCs.

Running a good console system requires hooking up an HDMI cable to the tv, and plugging it, and syncing a controller. Done.

Running a good computer system requires doing those things, then making sure your system is secure, keeping that maintained, dealing with manufacturers that may or may not have proper drivers, and software publishers that may, or may not, have your hardware configuration in question...

It's called the 'dealing with bullshit' factor. PCs have bullshit you HAVE to deal with. Consoles do not.

Remember that the next time you join a 'hate on DRM' thread. You're dealing with bullshit.

And some people have no patience for the bullshit.

All those facts (that you edited out, I edited back in) still stand and make PC games so superior to console games.

Does the make ME superior? No. But the games are.

Now, I don't know what if any experience you have with PC gaming but my experience - mainly with Steam - has have not had the bullshit to the extent you describe. Not a fraction. Steamworks is a breeze and YES it is DRM, but on balance I'd rather have this lightweight DRM than the DRM that games consoles use.

Yes games consoles have DRM. That is the reason Xbox 360 DVD discs only have 6.5GB capacity, the missing 2GB is DRM anti-piracy coding. Console have the most onerous DRM in the industry, the little there is on PC is not half as bad as on consoles that absolutely prescribe how I am allowed to play games, even what networks I can play them on.

And for the few broken ports to PC - if the game REALLY is unplayable after truly exhausting all patches, drivers and tweaks, well that is not a reason to completely give up on ALL THE OTHER PC games that work perfectly.

Spoiler: And I'm sorry, but my PS3 and 360 have given me a lot of bullshit:

-360 = chews discs like billyo
-360 = one component breaks, need whole new machine (my model doesn't get extended warranty)
-360 = charges for online multiplayer with no guarantee of slot on dedicated server...
-360 = need to buy overpriced wifi adapter or drill holes for ethernet to even connect online
-360 = all the trolls and cheaters on Xbox Live. Where are the admins to moderate this?
-360 = woeful backup capability, a 16GB formatted drive? Microsoft is trolling.
-PS3 = Any aspect ratio outside 16:9 it crops or distorts
-PS3 = Month-long downtimes where my details get stolen
-PS3 = such lengthy and onerous updates before I can even even connect online

But you can buy you way out of most of these problems. The thing is abandoning PC gives up even the hope of a high standard, that's what I have patience for because I really want it. I refuse to accept compromise.

I want the best and most of the time it is attainable.

I just think you had some frustrating experiences on PC and have let it get the better of you, you have become so afraid of that frustration you are willing to give up the high standard that you know only PC can offer.

You've given up on your dreams.

I ain't going to give up. I won't lie to you, I have had some bad experiences getting some PC games to run, but I have had so many AMAZING experiences with PC I will not let that minority put me off.

 

[Noceus]

I don't really hate console, but it's still the console's fault that graphics in gaming haven't advanced as much as they could. Since games make more money on console, so it's not really a financialy good idea for a company to make a pc exclusive title these day's.