A rant on PC fanboyism

[DracoSuave]

I will reply to the post quote-boxed below because you have been markedly more mature and respectful, unlike your last posts that included you resorting to, well, this:

"Put forth why people want 'dumbing down.' You'll notice the phrase itself is loaded with 'I AM BETTER THAN YOU AND THEY SHOULD ONLY LISTEN TO ME BAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW' connotations that do not help your case. Grow the fuck up, and present your argument like a man, not like a simpering fop."

...

Do you think that is acceptable?

I relent, that is pretty obnoxious of me.

It is a fact that PC is better than consoles.

Better is and always will be subjective so to say as a fact that one is better than the other is nothing but crap.

However it is fanboyism to say that makes it better for everyone as a lot of people are just too casual to appreciate it or master it.

You really think that the only reason people would prefer consoles to PC is that they aren't hardcore enough? What a load of condescending horseshit. That remark truly is the mark of a deluded fanboy.

No it really is a fact. Here is a short list of facts:
-Graphical power= better on PC, look at the benchmarks
-Controls= US military and law-enforcement virtual training programs have determined Mouse + keyboard are better than ANY other input device for aiming and movement in first/third person perspective
-Customisation= undeniably better on PC
-Online= dedicated servers are STANDARD on PC, anything less NOT ACCEPTED.
-Mods= you cannot mod 360/PS3 without being banned
-Games Price= steam sales? There are no better deals in the industry.

The dealing-with-bullshit factor is zero on consoles and huge on PCs.

Running a good console system requires hooking up an HDMI cable to the tv, and plugging it, and syncing a controller. Done.

Running a good computer system requires doing those things, then making sure your system is secure, keeping that maintained, dealing with manufacturers that may or may not have proper drivers, and software publishers that may, or may not, have your hardware configuration in question...

It's called the 'dealing with bullshit' factor. PCs have bullshit you HAVE to deal with. Consoles do not.

Remember that the next time you join a 'hate on DRM' thread. You're dealing with bullshit.

And some people have no patience for the bullshit.

All those facts (that you edited out, I edited back in) still stand and make PC games so superior to console games.

Does the make ME superior? No. But the games are.

Now, I don't know what if any experience you have with PC gaming but my experience - mainly with Steam - has have not had the bullshit to the extent you describe. Not a fraction. Steamworks is a breeze and YES it is DRM, but on balance I'd rather have this lightweight DRM than the DRM that games consoles use.

Yes games consoles have DRM. That is the reason Xbox 360 DVD discs only have 6.5GB capacity, the missing 2GB is DRM anti-piracy coding. Console have the most onerous DRM in the industry, the little there is on PC is not half as bad as on consoles that absolutely prescribe how I am allowed to play games, even what networks I can play them on.

I'm firstly going to say, thank you for giving an honest intellectual response.

One of the things with PCs tho is that DRM is eating up run time that it isn't in Consoles. It's obnoxious, but it's streamlined.

And for the few broken ports to PC - if the game REALLY is unplayable after truly exhausting all patches, drivers and tweaks, well that is not a reason to completely give up on ALL THE OTHER PC games that work perfectly.

Nor am I stating that all PC games don't work perfectly. But there are factors in maintaining a PC that you don't have to deal with on a console at all.

Many of these issues I don't have to worry about because I know what I am doing, but are HUGE issues for other PC users who aren't as technically sound. This produces a barrier of entry that gamers on other platforms don't have to deal with.

An example: In order to get my PSN stuff, someone has to hack into the main data base and steal it directly from them, usually an endevour that requires the cracking of a large corporation's security. It probably involved some inside job. All it takes for your PC info to be stolen is to watch the wrong porn. Bam. Keylogged.

Is that a problem for -me-? No. But it's a problem for the platform.

Spoiler: And I'm sorry, but my PS3 and 360 have given me a lot of bullshit:

-360 = chews discs like billyo
-360 = one component breaks, need whole new machine (my model doesn't get extended warranty)
-360 = charges for online multiplayer with no guarantee of slot on dedicated server...
-360 = need to buy overpriced wifi adapter or drill holes for ethernet to even connect online
-360 = all the trolls and cheaters on Xbox Live. Where are the admins to moderate this?
-360 = woeful backup capability, a 16GB formatted drive? Microsoft is trolling.
-PS3 = Any aspect ratio outside 16:9 it crops or distorts
-PS3 = Month-long downtimes where my details get stolen
-PS3 = such lengthy and onerous updates before I can even even connect online

I can't argue those points, they are absolutely correct. I'm not saying those problems don't exist, I'm trying to put a perspective on the idea that PC gaming is better when it's different. It has its own issues.

But you can buy you way out of most of these problems. The thing is abandoning PC gives up even the hope of a high standard, that's what I have patience for because I really want it. I refuse to accept compromise.

I don't believe in abandoning the PC as a platform either. I disagree with whining about it on a platform which has financial challenges and rampant piracy. It requires greater effort to pirate for PC than for a console. That's not to say that consoles are -hard-... but there is a barrier to entry that PCs simply do not have. Can you access a website? You can be a pirate. Biggity bam.

My point is, and always has been, that complaining that your so-called best platform isn't getting the best when it cannot fund the best is not productive. What is productive is seeking solutions to these problems, and being ready to accept responsibility because many of the financial problems are user-generated.

I want the best and most of the time it is attainable.

I just think you had some frustrating experiences on PC and have let it get the better of you, you have become so afraid of that frustration you are willing to give up the high standard that you know only PC can offer.

I have some great experiences on PC too. I do so love my machine. But I'm being fair to say that some games are not worth the hassle when I can just pop them into the PS3.

Case in point: Sacred 2. Never could get it to install a single patch on my PC. Everything was broken, and the only advice I could get was to keep running the installer. On PS3? Done done and done. No hassle. Sure, it's got a marginally less effective interface, but whatever, I was playing it at all.

Is that going to stop me from playing Civ 5? Hell no. But that's because Civ 5 is a game that leverages the PC's strengths. PC is the best platform for it.

At the end of the day tho, I just want to play games. Sometimes, playing on the computer doesn't give me the amount of advantage to outweigh the simplicity I get from sticking it in my PS3. Other times, it does. Neither platform is perfect, and neither platform is bad.

You've given up on your dreams.

Not at all. I just remain aware of the issues involved with both platforms. I am aware of the PS3's shortcomings. I am aware of its strengths.

I ain't going to give up. I won't lie to you, I have had some bad experiences getting some PC games to run, but I have had so many AMAZING experiences with PC I will not let that minority put me off.

And good on you for doing so.

I just want good gaming experiences, and I can accept market realities. Crying about it won't make things better, I'm sure you can agree. But addressing the problems and barriers to entry, and finding ways to smooth those over will make gaming better for everyone,

We ALL win.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

-Oh you can land hundreds of head shots with your mouse eh? Good for you! I can also land hundreds of head shots, only I use a controller. Oh what's that you say? You played a console FPS once for 15 minutes and your aim sucked? Well aiming with a console requires a bit more skill than using a mouse where you can just point and click and takes a bit of time and practice to get good with it so I have no idea why your aim wasn't perfect the first and only time you used a controller. It must have been broken because there's no way it could have been your fault.

Sorry, having a less accurate control scheme has nothing to do with "skill." I do just fine with both a mouse and controller. Wanna know the difference? Aim assist is turned on by default and often there is no option to turn it off on console games. It's not available at all on 99% of PC games.

That's simply a result of having 2000+ DPI tracking on a mouse, whereas a control stick will jump hundreds of pixels with even the slightest movement. It's like replacing your car's steering wheel with a pair of bowling balls and then suggesting that it takes more skill to drive that way. Maybe so, but that's a skill that there's really no use for and I shouldn't have to learn in the first place.

But again, I grew up playing both PC and console games, and I can do just fine with either method of control. Sometimes, like in fighting or racing games, a controller is even preferred. Which is why I have a USB 360 controller for use with my PC. Doesn't change the facts on which is more accurate, though.

Most games I play do have an aim assist option. Actually I think every FPS game I've played has an aim assist option. Most of the time it's already disabled.

And yes, a mouse is more accurate. You can hit a penny from a mile away with just your pistol. Hooray for you I am so very impressed. But it's not like that gap between a controller and a mouse is a gigantic fucking chasm which is what most people believe, you included it seems.

 

[teebeeohh]

saying gamers are not to blame but only developers is stupid. If you console peasants wouldn't buy that crap nobody would make it.

personally i never really cared about all that platform war bullshit, especially since you xbox gamers don't just want to be left in peace, a lot of you were rather happy to stomp all over the ps3 community a few weeks back. I only ever take part in this for the lolz, people on every side of this get so riled up and it's just fun to watch them doing it.

 

[Alon Shechter]

What I actually see is a TON of people complaining about the PC fanboyism in this forum, while almost nobody actually does it.

 

[Fenix7]

Sorry but what you just said oozes ignorance. To build a PC capable of running almost every new game on decent settings (better than what any other console can, anyway) you don't need thousands of dollars.

Never said thousands. I said a thousand. This lab top that I'm using right now costs around 900 dollars, and it can barely run Minecraft on the highest settings.

If you focus entirely on gaming and gaming alone, you can build a decent gaming rig for a little over a thousand dollars US. I know multiple people who are purely PC gamers, and many of them have tried to set me up with a rig of my own.

They've all come back to me with the same price range. 950-1250$. I've looked into it extensively. The lowest I found on my own would have gotten me about 1100$

My bad, I meant you don't even need a thousand.

That range you told me is just about right, but usually around 250-350$ of that sum goes to the your monitor/screen of choice, which you have to spend for consoles as well. And using a laptop as comparison doesn't make sense, because price/performance ratio of laptops is really different than PC's.

Anyway there's a sense of gratification most PC gamers get from being able to tinker with the game settings resulting in being able to play games your hardware technically shouldn't support, but you probably don't understand what it means.

You know that PC Elitism thing? It's really shining through you right about now.

I'm confused. If what I just said a fine example of PC Elitism... how is it a bad thing? Am I not allowed to enjoy being a little more involved with the running-games process now? Does caring about tweaking PC settings in order to get the best out of a game turn you into a "PC Elitist" (which, to the best of my knowledge) is used as an insult and is a completely negative adjective?

And for the most part, that wasn't that I was talking about. It's 6 in the morning and I haven't gone to bed, so I'm gonna give the spark notes.

I was referring to how making games purely for PC is difficult, because PCs have a much broader scale of performance developers have to adapt their games for. It doesn't matter if you can play Crysis at the highest settings, you are going to have games that you can't run smoothly because a game wasn't designed with you in mind.

On the other hand, when developing games for consoles, developers are limited by the consoles power, so one could argue that making games for consoles is equally difficult.

And PC games usually come with patches and user-made mods that fix incompatibilities and the like.

Ironic that you're posting in a thread that is basically PC hate. Which, as mentioned many times in this thread, is not the first thread of this kind in these forums.

Last time I checked he was complaining about how PC users tend to downcast Console users. I don't think there's any irony in this.

The thread didn't start like that, but it quickly turned into PC gamers hate. Just read the last pages.

Also, there are plenty of people on the internet that use any chance they get to bash/make fun of PC gamers. Just head to any gaming site where people can comment on posts, whenever something along the lines of "X game will not come out on PC" is posted, many "lol PC gaming" and such posts will appear in a matter of minutes.

Never had that experience.

If you were on sites like Destructoid you'd know what I was talking about.

 

[Chibz]

You have to realise PC gamers look on 360 users much like 360 users look at Wii-users...

Corrected your post for you.

Anyways. You seem to talk a lot about console gaming being... "Casual". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouKeepUsingThatWord]

On that note, let's look at the top selling/profitable PC games.

-The Sims
-The Sims 2
--The Sims 2: Pets
--The Sims 2: Seasons
-World of Warcraft
--Burning Crusade
--Wrath of the Lich King
--Cataclysm
*Starcraft

The list is, reliably, topped by The Sims and World of Warcraft. Some other games that are INCREDIBLY profitable for almost no investment include things such as anything produced by Zynga.

Educate yourself. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CasualVideoGame]

I'd also like to point out that there [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_mario_bros_1] are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Hunter_3] some [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathsmiles] games [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_9] that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Did_I_Do_to_Deserve_This,_My_Lord%3F] are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgaea_4] simply [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby_superstar] better [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_5] non-PC [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berzerk].

Most of them, I couldn't even IMAGINE playing using a keyboard & mouse. It just sounds that tedious, due to the inherit limitations of the keyboard.

Spoiler

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[Leviathan_]

-So you dislike all PC gamers because a few a douche-bags?
Awesome!

-I don't see what your financial situation has to do with you getting annoyed at PC gamers.

-It's not that I think all PC gamers are dicks, it's just that 90% of the ones I've met were dicks.

-Because a lot of PC gamers I've run across have this weird, Aspergers-like denial that somebody can just not be able to afford to build a $400 rig.

But you can buy a console + games which are more expensive than PC games + extra controllers if you want to play with friends + monthly sub for Xbox live?


Also, reported for being a silly goose and telling people they have Aspergers.


I weep for humanity.

 

[GonzoGamer]

To be honest, I'm tired of hearing that I'm an elitist prick for using a PC to play games with, so it goes both ways.

Really, you should wish for the death of fanboyism in general.

You're probably considered "over-entitled" too though that term has lost all meaning on game forums at this point. Most of the people who use it, don't know what it means.

I don?t think a game being on the console dumbs it down. As someone who was a poor gamer most of his life, I used to have to choose between console and pc. Now I can have both and while the console used to have the benefit of being cheaper and less complicated, it can?t really boast that anymore, can it? The hardware is pretty expensive and there are sometimes extra fees and proprietary hardware involved.
So I can understand why MS wants to move the pc gamers over to the 360 (more people to pay fees and buy proprietary hardware) but they need to understand that we no longer see any benefit. If they want us to pay the cost of a pc, we should get the benefit too.
And gamers (on consoles and pcs) have to understand that this is all just about big corporations trying to make money off of you. They don?t actually care about you or anything like that, so why fly their standard. Play what ever you want on what?s cheapest or most convenient for you.

 

[Tim Mazzola]

I like video games. It doesn't matter which platform I play them on. Some people get really vehement about their platform, but still some are quite civil about it. If it really bothers you, you can just ignore them, because you aren't gonna change their attitude.

 

[AndyCobra]

@Racecarlock
Kid you better start going outside and get a life. No one in the real world gives 2 s**ts about all of this

 

[Joos]

First of all, I would like to apologise for this late entrance to this awesome flamefest of a thread. Second, I am going to test a theory of mine ie. kill it with fire.

I have been a member of the escapist since last year, and there's one thing that keeps popping up that is really really annoying. Almost every PC gaming thread I go on to is filled with smug pricks who act as though their choice of platform makes them better than anyone else.

It's hard not to come across as smug when you know you are right. The fact that we come across as pricks to you only proves your delusion. The superiority of the PC as a gaming machine is obviously not up for discussion; its an established fact.

You would undoubtedly hate it if console gamers were constantly blaming PC gamers for more complicated games or the PCification of console games.

No, not really, I wuld simply disregard these insignificant bleetings as absurd nonsense and carry on being totally awesome on my PCficated PC.

You'd hate it if we constantly strutted around proclaiming that gamepads are the unseatable god of control methods.

Please do, and look at everyone around fall to their knees in uncontrolled laughter at your mad mockery of the truth that is, that the keyboard+mouse combo is the awesomest.

So why the fuck should we have to take it from you?

Well, when you put your opinion on a public discussion board like this, you have to, right? If not, Dr Joos prescribes you to harden the f*ck up. *hands tissue*

What are we? Low class peasants?

More like second rate gamers really.

And I have no problem with you if you just love the PC to the exclusion of other gaming platforms, that's your choice. It's only when you lord that choice around and act like you're somehow a better person because you only play on PC.

Terribly sorry if you got this wrong too. We don't act, we are. However, it is possible to make amends and join the uber-gamers of the future. You don't even have to give up your coveted gamepad, since like everything else, its compatible with PC's. For a mere fraction of your yearly salary you can experience Assassins Creed (or whatever your feeble console mind can fathom) in true HD.

That drives me nuts.

It makes me very happy that I can contribute in some small manner to your everyday SAN-loss.

I love my Xbox 360, but you don't see me walking around and claiming that it's reborn Jesus in gaming platform form.

I'm happy to inform you that the outdated circuits you carry on about, in fact, isn't the baby Jesus at all. Sorry to ruin it for you.

So why should I have to deal with it from your end? Huh? Can't I just game in peace?

Well, you could have just turned the other cheek, but oh no, "I'm going to post an angry post online!!!" You could of course just ignore this entire thread from this point on and continue to game on. Sadly, it will never be the same, since the feeling of inferiority to the PC gamer master race that made you write this post to begin with will continue to gnaw on your soul and eventually eat you up. A sad day surely, but inevitable, I'm afraid.

Edit: Some examples of this crap. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.259536-PC-Gaming-Master-Race
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.290579-Whats-with-PC-gamers-being-the-master-race
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.290144-Zero-Punctuation-The-Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.290163-Skyrim-to-be-a-console-port-which-shouldnt-be-too-hard

Ha! Hilarious. Thanks for these highly entertaining threads. I will study the trollness and make mine better.

Disclaimer: I do most of my gaming on a PS3 at the moment. I just can't be bothered building and maintaining a PC any more.

 

[Von Strimmer]

Bloody hell this is probably one of the most hilarious and pointless threads I have seen in awhile. Thanks guys dont ever stop hating one another ;-)

 

[AMMO Kid]

I used to be a pc gamer, but now I am a console gamer because I prefer not having to meddle with getting new hardware for it

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

-So you dislike all PC gamers because a few a douche-bags?
Awesome!

-I don't see what your financial situation has to do with you getting annoyed at PC gamers.

-It's not that I think all PC gamers are dicks, it's just that 90% of the ones I've met were dicks.

-Because a lot of PC gamers I've run across have this weird, Aspergers-like denial that somebody can just not be able to afford to build a $400 rig.

But you can buy a console + games which are more expensive than PC games + extra controllers if you want to play with friends + monthly sub for Xbox live?

Guess you missed my post where I said I only paid under $200 for my consoles (Years apart I may add) and live off clearance games. Don't have to buy other controllers or anything else because I take care of my stuff. As for LIVE, I only bought it when I needed it, a couple of months out of the year. But I've moved over to playing my PS3 online because it's free.

 

[Johnny Impact]

I have both a middle-range gaming PC and a PS3. I use both for games. A good part of this is personal preference.

I play inFamous, Arkham Asylum, Burnout Paradise, and so forth on the PS3 because I think those types of game lend themselves to controller more readily than keyboard and because PC ports are often inferior. I also own PS3 for the Blu-Ray aspect.

Then there are games like Civilization or StarCraft, which simply cannot thrive on consoles. PC is their natural habitat. I also play all my FPS on PC because I cannot abide aiming with a stick. The PC also gives me Internet, music, data storage, and all the gazillion other things.

I see this dumbing down phenomenon. BioShock is a great example. Having played System Shock I can tell you the loss of inventory in the successor significantly reduces the realism and immersion. Are we expected to believe BioShock's protagonist doesn't have a back pocket in which to stuff a candy bar when he is able to tote thousands of rounds of ammunition? There is no good reason for doing away with it. And that's not all -- hacking is a joke, plasmids can be rearranged at will, you can't go twenty feet without tripping over a Pep Bar, and so on. Why is this done? "To make it simpler/easier" is not enough reason. I don't blame this on the existence of consoles although I think that is a contributing factor. If the trend continues there soon will not be any such thing as a complex or difficult game.

 

[Iron Criterion]

My pc was the top of the line, it still can play a lot of games getting a release, it cost me 500 pounds. My ps3, xb360 and wii 2nd hand (still with full warranty) cost me £320.

Does that PC cost include a cost of a moniter and all that shit?

If yes then shouldn't you include the cost of the TV in the cost of your console?

Why? That logic implies that anyone who has bought a console also went and bought their TV especially. I owned my HD TV long before I owned my console.

 

[DeleteThisAcc]

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.

And why is that, do you think?

Is it because consoles are shitty? No, actually, they are not. Not any more. They are powerful machines, with processing power well above the price point.

Have you possibly considered that the higher the system requirements, the more expensive a game is to create? And that it is much.. MUCH cheaper to create games with the expectation of a lower system requirement, because the majority of people buying the game for PC won't ever use the higher system specs? It's literally a waste of money that raises prices for no gain to the average consumer?

There are games that leverage the PC's strengths... sometimes a game is better with over a hundred buttons (MMOs, RTSs) and sometimes it's a lot cheaper to release a game with low cost with no middleman (Indy games I'm looking at you) but when you want to go Triple A... well... computers are just not the best platform for how much the company gets per dollar spent.

In an era where game development is getting more and more expensive, and PC gamers are demanding more and more shineys because of the money they put into their systems... maybe companies simply can't afford to focus on them any more. There just isn't enough money in it to justify making PC games their top priority.

There's many facets to the problem and rampant hat of consoles OR PCs doesn't help PC gamers get what they want.

But yes, a lot of it is entitlement... PC gamers feel entitled to games of quality the money they pay does not support. That's a reality that has nothing to do with consoles... be glad they have consoles to make their money from and make games at all.

Fine example of CONSOLE fanboy that has no brain. " They are powerful machines, with processing power well above the price point." He thinks that all PC gamers want is better graphics... I still play System Shock 2. Inventory alone would make his brain explode, and you have to aim yourself there!

System Shock 2 is not a terribly good example of what games they are making these days, nor of the PC-elitists bawwwfest about how they aren't being catered to.

But hey, don't address the points on expense of development and just go 'Well System Shock 2 was good so you're wrong.' Way to make an irrelevant point.

And System Shock 2's inventory system wasn't great. There's better ways to accomplish the same depth. I much preferred Deus Ex for that.

Also, your being an asshat about it only proves the point.

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.

<- amen /thread

You don't pay enough for many developers to afford top quality. When you pay more, they can afford to put in more. This is not rocket surgery. Game companies are there to make money, not lose it.

But you've missed my points, instead of ignoring the platform's weaknesses for developers, how do you leverage the PC so that it can be profitable enough to have the games you claim you want to pay for?

I know you want to ignore that question and just cry 'SHITTY PORTS WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA' again, which I'm sure is working out very well for you and is resulting in some very deep and complex games... or maybe you can shut the fuck up about it, and look at it like this: How can we get the companies that make the games we love the cash they need so they can make the games we love the way we love them?

No no, go ahead and cry and whine and piss and moan some more. It's not like that question's answer will save your platform of choice or anything. Just keep ignoring it and pretending your platform is the holy motherland of ubergaming and that it has absolutely no problems and that developers love its quirks and eccentricities and that ATI and NVIDIA aren't in some competition to make the others products look worse and that lack of standardization is good for gaming.

No no. Don't answer the important question. Just ignore it and it will go away!

How come you no get banned for being offensive?

let's see "how do you leverage the PC so that it can be profitable enough to have the games you claim you want to pay for?"

1. Increase numbers of PC gamers (console games are more profitable because and ONLY BECAUSE there is more console gamers)
2. Stop buying games. Ports won't sell on PC so they will have to stop making games for PC... But since they are greedy they will start making better ports- we are not asking that much to be changed after all AT LEAST MAKE DECENT CONTROLS FOR PC VERSION

next "You don't pay enough for many developers to afford top quality. "
What top quality do you speak about? Does adding manual aim instead auto aim is high quality? I need no fancy graphics or physics - you have ignored my example with System Shock 2 -> that kind of quality is enough for me as long as game is good.

"again, which I'm sure is working out very well for you and is resulting in some very deep and complex games" I don't cry for PC games dumbing down - I don't play that much (they dumbed down Alice so I do cry on her grave). And yes crying helps - Frozen synapse. THANK GOOD THERE IS INDIES

"System Shock 2 is not a terribly good example of what games they are making these days," THAT'S EXAMPLE OF WHAT GAMES THEY ARE NOT MAKING THESE DAYS...

and for
"asshat" "shut the fuck up about it" "go ahead and cry and whine and piss and moan some more"
1. prof you are defensive fanboy
2. Kid that doesn't know any manners
3. Kids like you are reason I will newer look at console gamers seriously (until exceptional individuals proves their worth to be taken seriously)

 

[instantbenz]

Fact: the broadening of the vast majority of game platforms to including both PC and consoles has resulted in an excessive dumbing down of games in various ways. Some of these include: control schemes, difficulty, complexity in all areas, content, graphics, and so on.

The problem with games being dumbed down is with developers not because of consoles. I have no idea why some pc gamers say otherwise but I think we can all agree that those pc gamers are entitled fuckwits.

When the developers develop a dumbed-down game for a console it's because it's being developed for a console . Thus it is due to consoles and console gaming that games are being dumbed-down.

simple logic there ... okay on to op

My opinion on the PC/console gamers' squabble is that it's a bit silly and everyone's got their reasons for being one or the other or SHOCK both.

I'm straying from console gaming as I can't trust the damn things and I'm completely at home with a computer. I can build one myself and I am confident with the control schemes of pc games.

Interface further allows for more complexity in the game world and that is why I agree with people saying that games are dumbed-down for consoles.

Lastly, consoles are easy to maintain and last for quite a few years before needing upgrades. There is certainly more responsibility in being a pc gamer. But, as a designer, I need to have a solid machine to work on my programs and I must invest in a powerful machine and keep it up regardless of if I just want to have recreational fun time on it.

I need a pc. I don't need a console.

 

[PlowmanMk]

Reading this entire thread has made me realise we need a gaming Buddha, to enlighten us all and direct us to peace and harmony. Or maybe a gaming Dalai Lama?

I prefer my PC over my consoles, but that is really just because it is more convenient for me. As I always say, how you game is up to you.

We are all gamers. We have different preference, but we are all one community.

 

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I have both a middle-range gaming PC and a PS3. I use both for games. A good part of this is personal preference.

I play inFamous, Arkham Asylum, Burnout Paradise, and so forth on the PS3 because I think those types of game lend themselves to controller more readily than keyboard and because PC ports are often inferior. I also own PS3 for the Blu-Ray aspect.

Then there are games like Civilization or StarCraft, which simply cannot thrive on consoles. PC is their natural habitat. I also play all my FPS on PC because I cannot abide aiming with a stick. The PC also gives me Internet, music, data storage, and all the gazillion other things.

I see this dumbing down phenomenon. BioShock is a great example. Having played System Shock I can tell you the loss of inventory in the successor significantly reduces the realism and immersion. Are we expected to believe BioShock's protagonist doesn't have a back pocket in which to stuff a candy bar when he is able to tote thousands of rounds of ammunition? There is no good reason for doing away with it. And that's not all -- hacking is a joke, plasmids can be rearranged at will, you can't go twenty feet without tripping over a Pep Bar, and so on. Why is this done? "To make it simpler/easier" is not enough reason. I don't blame this on the existence of consoles although I think that is a contributing factor. If the trend continues there soon will not be any such thing as a complex or difficult game.

hear what sane person says. I completely agree with you, and I mean COMPLETELY.