Ramzal said:
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And remember, examples make the world go round, and people support an opinion.
How are they over sexual?
Their sexual characteristics are being played up as part of the character design. Think boob plates, Shepeards Butt Plate, things like that. "Over" would simply be personal taste, I personally do not have that much of an issue with this, but I think it has its place.
And if so, what would be sensible/fair to put in a video game?
Well, I am a sucker for gritty realism. Compare and contrast how male and female combat uniforms look in the American military (Using them as an easy example). I assume this is a follow up for the above question? Female uniforms are not sexualised, they are just exactly what they need to be to get the job done. As some have pointed out "Boob Plates" would actually be incredibly dangerous in combat as they direct all blows inwards and towards vital organs instead of outwards and away.
Also if we do not change it, what harm will be done?
Any harm done is indirect and impossible to prove. So I should say pass. But personally? The harm done, in my eyes, is the objectification of women. Which is bad. Exagerating sexual stuff does objectify and I believe, despite their being no conclusive research on this area as it is fucking hard to do any conclusive research based on the societal affects of ANYTHING due to how varied society is, that objectification in computer games affects how we see things in society, to a greater or lesser dergree, and this in some way informs our relationships with others and how we see things in a greater, societal context (Good luck finding a flaw in that argument, I covered all of my bases and I said nothing absolute. This was not directed at you, OP, just whoever may or may not read this.
Isn't changing a structure to favor a groups needs no different then censorship?
You're right. Its censorship. It happens. Keeping child pornography out of games is also censorship. Oh look, false equivalence. The point is people, like myself, find this tasteless and believe that it should be changed. I think this change should be limited to mainstream games, I have nothing wrong with Dead or Alive, I have plenty wrong with Boob Plates in mainstream games.
Isn't it self defeating for women to say that some women in games that do not wear the same amount of clothing as them are oversexual--since- some women prefer to wear very revealing clothing? Is that not singling them out, to favor your own likes and dislikes?
False. Equivalence. Same logic is used to call the Occupy lot hypocrites. "Isn't it hypocritical that they are complaining about the inherrent corruption within the banking system and how detrimental it is for the entire world whilst they are occasionally seen buying coffee?"
Just skip to Hislops argument.
Regardless, the same logic applies. Seriously. You can be against the depiction of women in games and still wear "Sexy" clothing.
To quote Hislop from what I just linked "Its so obvious I just cannot be bothered"
Isn't asking creators to go by a criteria that a group finds except able limiting their creativity?
Well, Yes, but EVERYTHING about society limits their creativity. Read the above child porn point.
And if you believe women are being victimized in video games, don't you believe that by extension men are too due to over dramatic muscle tone, beautiful female features, and gruff appearances/tough guy personalities?
False equivalence. Although there is some argument that the negative stereotypes of men are damaging, there is a stronger argument that the negative stereotypes of women are damaging. Also, you just state that men have beautiful female features. Heh.
So three false equivalences contained within your questions. I dunno if they were your views or if you are just posting the views of others in question form.
So... I dunno. I gave examples of how it should be handled, at the start, then just started tearing into the questions. Sorry, I guess.