aei_haruko said:
Ieyke said:
It's not mercy. though. It's not mercy to deprive somebodys existence because it is not your life. Many pro choice people say " it's not your body" to that I say " it's not your life" just because life sometimes sucks isnt a reason to kill. If you couldnt have anything because somebody took everything from you, it's plain wrong, heck, you couldnt even have done anything other than existed. I dont get how people say" well, not letting somebody live is merciful" How is that merciful? How is it merciful to not let somebody experiance anything? how is it mericiful to never have had the chance to ever live on your own? and a fetus CAn experiance life. it IS alive ( I had posted the how a fetus is a life arguement earlier) it just cant live life to it's fullest.
and how do we KNOW your life will e a burden to yourself? we CAN'T know that. There is no way anybody can know for certain what happens in the future. every single choice we make can have so many outcomes, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be able to know. and i wont let anybody make the decision about what I make my life into without so much as knowing who I am. And likewise, so many people say " I'm suffering" even I do it sometimes. I really need to stop doing that, and i do try to see the bright side of life. But if you want to see real suffering, go to africa, or hnduras, where people areso impoverished, or go and see the hmeless who are sick. But dont tell me " it'd just live a sad life anyway" because NOBODY can make that choice, because happiness is something each person finds for themselves, and you have no right to end another persons life on something that you cant even know
well, let me turn that argument around on you. if you can't know whether the life of the child will be happy or unhappy, shouldn't the party that we CAN be reasonably sure of as the criterium?
for example, take a teenaged girl that gets pregnant because of a ripped condom. she's quite bright and has thought about it extensively. she is certain she does not want to keep the child, and that she would not be able to raise it properly at her age. she does not want to put it up for adoption either, because she feels she would be doing wrong by the child if she 'abandoned' it. (with the possibility it never finds a foster home)
in this scenario, would you not agree that we can be certain as possible that the mother would be happier aborting the child than keeping it?
if the quality of life and happiness of the unborn are unknowable, should be not base our judgement on what IS knowable?
it seems to me that the potential for happiness does not altogether weigh up against the certainty of unhappiness.
allright, so let me just make sure I get the cru of your scenario: a bright teenage girl has sex, condom breaks, doesnt want to keep the child, but doesnt want to abandon it?
How can she not want to keep the child, but on the converse not want to abandon it? Those 2 things are contradictory. Plus, how is it abandoning a child anyway on the other matter? many kids are taken away from their homes all the time because they live with abusive parents, and many of them find good families who can raise their child. In this scenario, I cant ay it for certain because we dont know that, maybe the foster system would be great for her child, maybe the community would be insired that she raises her child, and maybe they would help out, maybe the kid might actually be brilliant and help change the world. We can be reasonably sure that it might be diffucult, or thatit might be hard to see, but yetI still think that we would have no right to take a human life simply because it is a conviniant thing to do, beause if we break it down, how many of our lives are " conviniant". If we lived in a world where your only value on life was measured with only mathemaic value on life, and where we are killed simply for conviniance, then we're nothing more than a natural rescourse, and object. Because when a toy isnt conviniant, we throw it out, when a dog is inconviniant ( in the play of mice and men) we shoot it. I fear we are heading that way with humanity, if a lover is getting inconviniant, we break up, if a child is inconviniant, we kill it. I dont want to see human being made into a cheap type of object, beecause No matter how bad we can be sometimes, I still know that human beings have some type of value that isnt spiritual or intellectual, I just dont know what it is or where it comes from