Abortion....why?
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You will never have a definitive answer outside of your own preconceptions. This is the same debate as gun control: "well it's wrong because I think A." "Yeah, well, I thinks it's right because I think B." The argument is based solely on what you think is right, not what you know is right.
Currently, the law states that a fetus is not a person. Until that is changed, no one, except the father of the baby (assuming the father is there and gives a damn, because there's a chance they aren't and don't) and the mother of the baby has any right to dictate the life of that baby. Not you, not me, not your religion. You aren't having the baby. Your life isn't going to be potentially ruined/come to a screeching halt if you have the baby.
I could list a big long list of variables to consider, like rape, how ready the mother actually is, would she be able to care for it, etc. But you know what, I won't, because you know them. Everyone does. And if anyone thinks for a second that a woman wouldn't be petrified at the prospect of having a completely unexpected pregnancy at a time where they are not prepared for one, then you need to go sit in the corner and think to yourself about how stupid you are. You can't simply decide for someone when they are ready for a baby. It is the opposite of ethical, and if you find some sort of moral justification for dictating such, then by all means, let me hear it. No I don't care how "alive" a fetus is. While life is beautiful, I don't think a girl in college who has big plans for her future would be thinking about how fantastic it would be to have to support a child. That would be the same as sacrificing one life for another, and while the concept is noble, the reality is that the fetus does not give one single damn about the mothers life. It simply grows until it is born. A fetus does not have a future to think about, it does not have bills to pay, degrees to get, graduate schools to go to. One day, it could. But at the cost of destabilizing the mothers life, and preventing her from reaching her goals and dreams? No. It would be trading potential for potential.
What would happen if abortions are outlawed? Any woman that gets pregnant is required by law to have the baby. Orphanages would see an increase in orphaned children, for one. But what about politically? If the government realizes it can dictate what a woman can and cannot do with her body (and also her creation), where would it end? Would it end there, or would we go into 1984 territory? In this day and age, if you think it would end there, you have a naivety I would love to have. Not because I have no faith in humanity (in fact, I do very much hope for humanity), but because when faced with the prospect of being able to control people, I very much doubt the government would turn that sort of power down.
Currently, the law states that a fetus is not a person. Until that is changed, no one, except the father of the baby (assuming the father is there and gives a damn, because there's a chance they aren't and don't) and the mother of the baby has any right to dictate the life of that baby. Not you, not me, not your religion. You aren't having the baby. Your life isn't going to be potentially ruined/come to a screeching halt if you have the baby.
I could list a big long list of variables to consider, like rape, how ready the mother actually is, would she be able to care for it, etc. But you know what, I won't, because you know them. Everyone does. And if anyone thinks for a second that a woman wouldn't be petrified at the prospect of having a completely unexpected pregnancy at a time where they are not prepared for one, then you need to go sit in the corner and think to yourself about how stupid you are. You can't simply decide for someone when they are ready for a baby. It is the opposite of ethical, and if you find some sort of moral justification for dictating such, then by all means, let me hear it. No I don't care how "alive" a fetus is. While life is beautiful, I don't think a girl in college who has big plans for her future would be thinking about how fantastic it would be to have to support a child. That would be the same as sacrificing one life for another, and while the concept is noble, the reality is that the fetus does not give one single damn about the mothers life. It simply grows until it is born. A fetus does not have a future to think about, it does not have bills to pay, degrees to get, graduate schools to go to. One day, it could. But at the cost of destabilizing the mothers life, and preventing her from reaching her goals and dreams? No. It would be trading potential for potential.
What would happen if abortions are outlawed? Any woman that gets pregnant is required by law to have the baby. Orphanages would see an increase in orphaned children, for one. But what about politically? If the government realizes it can dictate what a woman can and cannot do with her body (and also her creation), where would it end? Would it end there, or would we go into 1984 territory? In this day and age, if you think it would end there, you have a naivety I would love to have. Not because I have no faith in humanity (in fact, I do very much hope for humanity), but because when faced with the prospect of being able to control people, I very much doubt the government would turn that sort of power down.
It seems as though people try too hard to keep their inherit beliefs whether they make sense or not. This issue should be plain and simple; if you don't want a child, stop it before it leads to complications or end up like that "The miracle of birth: The third world" chapter in Monty Python's The Meaning Of Life.
The thing with the pro-life argument is that's it's a slippery slope! If we outlaw killing a zygote, then it won't be long before we start outlawing masturbation (and probably by extension, Sodomy) on the grounds that it's denying sperm their right to live long and healthy lives, what about sex, I mean, how many sperm don't make it? That's all murder there. And what about menstruation? That's got to be murder! It's got blood and everything! SLIPPERY SLOPE! D=
(It's satire, before anyone points out how ridiculous that was. Though I suppose the only way you can really try to get a point to the fanatics is at their own level...)
(It's satire, before anyone points out how ridiculous that was. Though I suppose the only way you can really try to get a point to the fanatics is at their own level...)
Okay pro lifers, here is my proposal. All of these unwanted children who cannot and will not be supported because you made it illegal to get an abortion else it counts as murder: You go to the orphanages and you adopt every damn unwanted baby and look after them yourself. If you cannot afford to, or don't want to congratulations you are sentencing children to lives of misery. Not enough people adopt as it is, add more children that need adpoting...well. You monsters!
My biology teacher recently taught us about the eight characteristics of life. I like to justify my pro-choice attitude with that, as fetuses cannot be a living thing as neither a virus. They are, in biological terms, both nonliving things. A living thing must have, and use the processes by themselves, all of these eight: Response, Growth, reproduction, energy, cells, universal genetic code, Homeostasis.
I'm pretty sure fetuses cannot do some of those things on their own, so as far as I'm concerned, no it's not bad. To be honest, I think abortion is another argument used to avoid the actual issues.
I'm pretty sure fetuses cannot do some of those things on their own, so as far as I'm concerned, no it's not bad. To be honest, I think abortion is another argument used to avoid the actual issues.
Abortion isn't in the Bible. Interestingly enough, killing babies is...though not exactly condemned.
The reason most Christians is against it is because they believe in the soul, something you apparently gain at conception, and because life is a gift from God. The idea is basically that life is so important that it should be preserved at all costs.
The reason most Christians is against it is because they believe in the soul, something you apparently gain at conception, and because life is a gift from God. The idea is basically that life is so important that it should be preserved at all costs.
That's the best bit! The fanatics won't even realize we're making fun of them! >=)Stublore said:The problem with fanatics is that they don't do satireDaverson said:.
I assume you mean though,counter a ridiculous idea with another equally ridiculous idea?
They love to throw around the slippery slope argument, as in, if we allow [x], it won't be long before we allow [something terrible and/or ridiculous]. You know, complete nonsense like "if we allow gay marriage, it won't be long before we let people marry their own children!"