Activision Hate Understandable, But Unfair, Says Social Media Guru

[Lorechaser]

I can't take anyone seriuosly that says "haters" in his dscussoon and means it.

Also, as above, Tim Schaffer!

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'm sorry I can't reply to the second bit of your post because I am not aware of Arc Systems. I'm imagining it is for the fans rather than for the money?

American branch is. 100,000 sales is great for them. I doubt AH3 reaches 30,000. The first one got localized, but met with poor financial success. Second one didn't. By all means, this game will fail financially. They localized it...I don't know why. But those people don't make much money outside the BlazBlue franchise.

EDIT: To add to that, they have a rep for taking chances on games that wouldn't see the light of day outside of Japan. Like a Loli-themed bullet hell arcade shooter.

 

[flaming_squirrel]

Amrich does make a good case: It is very easy to think of Activision as an evil empire, and Kotick as some fiendish despot, just because of the publisher's size and success

I never hated Activision for their size and success, hated Kotick for being an arrogant dick and the company for repeatedly and mercilessly screwing over their customers.

We need more CEO's like the guy from Tripwire, nerdy, ex-modders who make games because they enjoy them and so treat their community and fans with a degree of respect.

 

[Wandrecanada]

Oh well then. If you're putting the creator of the biggest insult to consumers in charge of publishing then of course we should give the company a bye. Seriously kudos to selling an idea like Kevin Butler. He's a man who basically insults his entire audience and still manages to persuade viewers to buy the product he's also ignorant about. Now that's someone we should all respect...

 

[RA92]

Valve is worth $4 billion tops. Vevendi bought Activision for $19 billion. Nineteen billion buys you a lot more hate than four billion ever will. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

So? There are millions of gamers who open up Steam every day and buy thousands of games published by Valve. Valve is exposed to PC gamers way more than Kotickvision's annual sequel trip and overpriced map packs. Do you think people on the internet specifically research on which is the company with the highest value and hate on them? You give the internet way too much credit.

They don't do it for the money! They do it because they love gaming and gamers! They're our friends!

No, of course not. Valve obviously does it for the money. It's a business.

But do you know the difference between Valve and Kotickvision?

Valve makes good quality, properly optimized games.

They also do smart marketing. All those free updates to TF2, that basically doubled the installed file size? That's so that people log into Steam and have the marketplace catch their eyes. When Valve earns millions, it gives something back to the gamers as a form of investment - Valve is a company that has released 2 additional free campaigns for L4D, 3 additional free campaigns for L4D2, about six million free content updates for TF2, a complete free overhaul of everything that was wrong with CS:S, an entirely free game in the shape of Alien Swarm, free copies of Portal on Steam and free PC version of Portal 2 for the PS3 and free engine updates to every single Source game since 2004 to build upon 6 years' worth of technological advancement. That's how much they are invested.

Kotickvision's business is stagnant, comparatively.

 

[JDKJ]

Amrich does make a good case: It is very easy to think of Activision as an evil empire, and Kotick as some fiendish despot, just because of the publisher's size and success

I never hated Activision for their size and success, hated Kotick for being an arrogant dick and the company for repeatedly and mercilessly screwing over their customers.

We need more CEO's like the guy from Tripwire, nerdy, ex-modders who make games because they enjoy them and so treat their community and fans with a degree of respect.

But all those things are inter-related and can't be neatly compartmentalized. Activision got big and successful by repeatedly and mercilessly screwing over their customers and Kotick's an arrogant dick because he's sittin' on top of a big, successful company.

Chicken or egg, it don't matter. If the egg's a Fabergé, haters gonna hate.

 

[Braedan]

But if the theory that the bigger you get, the more haters come crawling outta the woodwork is valid, ain't nobody gonna hate on Valve. They ain't big. Not in the Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony sense of big. Let 'em get that big and watch the haters hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

No they aren't Microsoft big, but I guess I was giving an example in a specific field.
In cell phones though, I haven't seen any rage towards Nokia, even though they were running away with the cellphone market. I do see a fair bit for Apple though.

You might as well compare my money to Warren Buffet's money.

Apple ended its most recent quarter with nearly $66 billion in cash, increasing its war chest by an astounding $6.1 billion in just three months. Their cash pile is worth more than the combined market capitalization of Nokia, Research In Motion and Motorola Mobility.

Sixty-six billion in cash -- and that's just counting the cash -- buys a lotta hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

I think we're on different pages, I was going by market share, with you going by net worth. Either way, you're right, haters gunna hate, regardless of who does what.

 

[Inferno_622]

Amrich does make a good case: It is very easy to think of Activision as an evil empire, and Kotick as some fiendish despot, just because of the publisher's size and success

I never hated Activision for their size and success, hated Kotick for being an arrogant dick and the company for repeatedly and mercilessly screwing over their customers.

We need more CEO's like the guy from Tripwire, nerdy, ex-modders who make games because they enjoy them and so treat their community and fans with a degree of respect.

But all those things are inter-related and can't be neatly compartmentalized. Activision got big and successful by repeatedly and mercilessly screwing over their customers and Kotick's an arrogant dick because he's sittin' on top of a big, successful company.

Chicken or egg, it don't matter. If the egg's a Fabergé, haters gonna hate.

Love you.

 

[B-rad747]

You're right Activison my dislike for you is completely unjustified. I mean the way you guys handled the guitar hero series and the tony hawk series was understandable. Because the best business model for sequels is to release a new one every six months(everybody knows that, duh). Who has time for innovation in this fast paced hustle and bustle world of ours anyways? I mean Bobby said it best, Activision only interested in games that "have the potential to be exploited every year on every platform with clear sequel potential and have the potential to become $100 million franchises". And It's good to see you have put Call of Duty on the same schedule. And suing Tim Schafer? That guy was a total dick anyways, just like those guys at Infinity Ward. So you're right. The only reason people hate you is because you are a large successful company. Just look at Valve everyone hates those guys...oh wait.

 

[DSK-]

Um..... Big company =/= "Taking the fun out of making videogames". Honestly, I've never once thought about the size or scale of Activision; just the reasoning that their CEO is some money-crazed douche who wants gamers to hand over every penny they have.

Alright, that last bit might be a bit over the top, but you get my meaning.

 

[Jumwa]

Can the parade of Activision apologists parroting their employee-excuse-sheet memorandum stop now, please?

 

[JDKJ]

Valve is worth $4 billion tops. Vevendi bought Activision for $19 billion. Nineteen billion buys you a lot more hate than four billion ever will. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

So? There are millions of gamers who open up Steam every day and buy thousands of games published by Valve. Valve is exposed to PC gamers way more than Kotickvision's annual sequel trip and overpriced map packs. Do you think people on the internet specifically research on which is the company with the highest value and hate on them? You give the internet way too much credit.

They don't do it for the money! They do it because they love gaming and gamers! They're our friends!

No, of course not. Valve obviously does it for the money. It's a business.

But do you know the difference between Valve and Kotickvision?

Valve makes good quality, properly optimized games.

They also do smart marketing. All those free updates to TF2, that basically doubled the installed file size? That's so that people log into Steam and have the marketplace catch their eyes. When Valve earns millions, it gives something back to the gamers as a form of investment - Valve is a company that has released 2 additional free campaigns for L4D, 3 additional free campaigns for L4D2, about six million free content updates for TF2, a complete free overhaul of everything that was wrong with CS:S, an entirely free game in the shape of Alien Swarm, free copies of Portal on Steam and free PC version of Portal 2 for the PS3 and free engine updates to every single Source game since 2004 to build upon 6 years' worth of technological advancement. That's how much they are invested.

Kotickvision's business is stagnant, comparatively.

No, but as Amrich, I believe, correctly says, once you're no longer the broke-ass underdog, the haters come out to hate. No, I don't think that the average gamer is closely monitoring Sony's stock price and it's price over earnings ratio on a hourly basis. But they know enough to know that Sony is a faceless corporate behemoth. And that's all they need to know in order to hate. Go read the EgoHot threads to see how many here were of the opinion that EgoHot had every right to fuck Sony around simply because Sony is a huge corporation. No more or better justification needed. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

 

[Vaccine]

Don't worry Activision, I don't hate you, I just hate your blunt, greedy, dick of a boss who has done everything in the public eye short of biting the head off a kitten to piss off gamers around the world.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Valve is worth $4 billion tops. Vevendi bought Activision for $19 billion. Nineteen billion buys you a lot more hate than four billion ever will. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

So? There are millions of gamers who open up Steam every day and buy thousands of games published by Valve. Valve is exposed to PC gamers way more than Kotickvision's annual sequel trip and overpriced map packs. Do you think people on the internet specifically research on which is the company with the highest value and hate on them? You give the internet way too much credit.

They don't do it for the money! They do it because they love gaming and gamers! They're our friends!

No, of course not. Valve obviously does it for the money. It's a business.

But do you know the difference between Valve and Kotickvision?

Valve makes good quality, properly optimized games.

They also do smart marketing. All those free updates to TF2, that basically doubled the installed file size? That's so that people log into Steam and have the marketplace catch their eyes. When Valve earns millions, it gives something back to the gamers as a form of investment - Valve is a company that has released 2 additional free campaigns for L4D, 3 additional free campaigns for L4D2, about six million free content updates for TF2, a complete free overhaul of everything that was wrong with CS:S, an entirely free game in the shape of Alien Swarm, free copies of Portal on Steam and free PC version of Portal 2 for the PS3 and free engine updates to every single Source game since 2004 to build upon 6 years' worth of technological advancement. That's how much they are invested.

Kotickvision's business is stagnant, comparatively.

No, but as Amrich, I believe, correctly says, once you're no longer the broke-ass underdog, the haters come out to hate. No, I don't think that the average gamer is closely monitoring Sony's stock price and it's price over earnings ratio on a hourly basis. But they know enough to know that Sony is a faceless corporate behemoth. And that's all they need to know in order to hate. Go read the EgoHot threads to see how many here were of the opinion that EgoHot had every right to fuck Sony around simply because Sony is a huge corporation. No more or better justification needed. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

I'll agree there. The "stick it to Sony!" attitude on this site the last few weeks is uncalled for.

 

[Bags159]

I don't hate activision because they're big. I hate activision because they make shit games. They absolutely ruined CoD, nowadays it's just a half-broken FPS staggering about waiting for it's SP to finally drop off and it's sales to plummet.

Are you implying that Call of Duty was ever good?

I don't love Activision, but I can't say I hate them. Reactions towards Activision are always fun to read, though.

 

[PettingZOOPONY]

Blah blah blah who cares, hating a company that you still buy games from is fucking stupid. I'll bet all you fuckwads who say you hate activision or dislike them have a current game from them in your library, and you say you don't lets see your steam, psn or xbox account you pussies.

 

[JDKJ]

But if the theory that the bigger you get, the more haters come crawling outta the woodwork is valid, ain't nobody gonna hate on Valve. They ain't big. Not in the Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony sense of big. Let 'em get that big and watch the haters hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

No they aren't Microsoft big, but I guess I was giving an example in a specific field.
In cell phones though, I haven't seen any rage towards Nokia, even though they were running away with the cellphone market. I do see a fair bit for Apple though.

You might as well compare my money to Warren Buffet's money.

Apple ended its most recent quarter with nearly $66 billion in cash, increasing its war chest by an astounding $6.1 billion in just three months. Their cash pile is worth more than the combined market capitalization of Nokia, Research In Motion and Motorola Mobility.

Sixty-six billion in cash -- and that's just counting the cash -- buys a lotta hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

I think we're on different pages, I was going by market share, with you going by net worth. Either way, you're right, haters gunna hate, regardless of who does what.

Market share may be irrelevant. Honda's share of the market for automobiles probably surpasses that of Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Bugatti combined. But no one's gonna hate on you for driving a Civic.

 

[Bags159]

Blah blah blah who cares, hating a company that you still buy games from is fucking stupid. I'll bet all you fuckwads who say you hate activision or dislike them have a current game from them in your library, and you say you don't lets see your steam, psn or xbox account you pussies.

I dislike them and the closest thing I own to an Activision game is WoW / SC2. I can has prize?