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Thats why I joined the no Clean-Feed steam group! Censoring the internet is not good, controlling information is not got and telling people whether or not the can watch porn is just plain wrong!AlexFromOmaha said:
Surely the nude patches for Fallout 3 and others can be examined as reactions to the problem and not symptoms thereof?
ALL they bloody stuff is incredably true but i never heard that about the pee pees but well the stuff is imposible to say it's rong! 
I think this article, and others like it, forget that the people you are talking about, the ones you demand "grow up", are in fact still very young. All the crude comments in threads and on Live? Kids. So asking them to grow up is a bit dumb. As for the rest of us, we have grown up, so quit paying so much attention to the real kids.
Why?
That will be the most basic question to pop up when we gamers say we want to see more sex in a game.
And honestly, why do we? Just because "we're adults" doesn't mean anything. The integration of sex in video games might mean a bump up to AO ratings for games, which many companies will simply not sell. Wal-mart won't even sell AO games.. Com'on.
I think that if gamers put sex in, it had better be for a reason, otherwise parents and the media will say that all us gamers are perverts and that we just want sex for sex's sake.
Mass Effect's sex was there because of an intense relationship. If you put a sex scene in say... Grand Theft Auto where Niko goes and picks up and hooker and you see his European penis pushing in and out of.. well you get the point. If gamers want to have sex, we need to make sure our devs put it in the games in a more classy and believable way.
And in all honesty, I'd rather just kill things and beat up people than see boobies or a guy's dong.
That will be the most basic question to pop up when we gamers say we want to see more sex in a game.
And honestly, why do we? Just because "we're adults" doesn't mean anything. The integration of sex in video games might mean a bump up to AO ratings for games, which many companies will simply not sell. Wal-mart won't even sell AO games.. Com'on.
I think that if gamers put sex in, it had better be for a reason, otherwise parents and the media will say that all us gamers are perverts and that we just want sex for sex's sake.
Mass Effect's sex was there because of an intense relationship. If you put a sex scene in say... Grand Theft Auto where Niko goes and picks up and hooker and you see his European penis pushing in and out of.. well you get the point. If gamers want to have sex, we need to make sure our devs put it in the games in a more classy and believable way.
And in all honesty, I'd rather just kill things and beat up people than see boobies or a guy's dong.
look all i can say is sex is a part of life and as long as its not robots making every part of the game there will be sex or secret refrences in games. and in japan they do pretty good with sex games (by that i mean they sell alot)
This article is based on a few underlying assumptions I'd like to dispute.
1) Sex/Sexual tension/Sexual themes help make a well rounded character or drive plot.
2) Sex has a place in video games.
3) Sex/Sexual themes can add a new element to video games.
4) Sex/Sexual themes are something we should be exposed to in video games.
Has sex EVER defined a character? I doubt that some sex-based act or ideal has ever been the reason we loved, hated, or loved-to-hate a character. I personally can't think of a single memorable character in film, TV, or video games that I remember because of something sexual.
So if we eliminate character development from the list of reasons to include sex, what's left? Plot or some sort of mini-game gameplay element. Using sex to drive a plot is a poor use of sex for a variety of reasons. Foremost among them is that you enter a zone that "Pulp Fiction" typified all too well and you also enter a moral gray area where children (because children will get their hands on these games) are participating in a plot that is far beyond their maturity level.
Beyond that, immersion in a video game is one of the key factors that draws people in and keeps them playing, but no amount of immersion will ever make me believe that two graphic models on a screen getting steamy is real or intriguing. It's like saying animals procreating is attractive. The uncanny valley is just too strong here and non-humans having sex (explicit or implicit) is more repulsive than any other impulse. If you don't believe that, then you've either never been intimate with another person, or you've got something loose that's genetic, or both. If it isn't real humans being intimate, it's just...weird.
So if all this is true, why would we possibly want to add sex into a video game? A cheap mini-game gimmick like GTA:SA? What a waste of programming resources. If a developer is seriously considering putting sex into a video game they should take a step back and perhaps devote those resources to making a better game. Lord knows they're attempts lately have been pretty pitiful. I haven't seen a decent console game in who knows how long (and as a PS3 owner that saddens me, guess I'll keep watching BRDs).
1) Sex/Sexual tension/Sexual themes help make a well rounded character or drive plot.
2) Sex has a place in video games.
3) Sex/Sexual themes can add a new element to video games.
4) Sex/Sexual themes are something we should be exposed to in video games.
Has sex EVER defined a character? I doubt that some sex-based act or ideal has ever been the reason we loved, hated, or loved-to-hate a character. I personally can't think of a single memorable character in film, TV, or video games that I remember because of something sexual.
So if we eliminate character development from the list of reasons to include sex, what's left? Plot or some sort of mini-game gameplay element. Using sex to drive a plot is a poor use of sex for a variety of reasons. Foremost among them is that you enter a zone that "Pulp Fiction" typified all too well and you also enter a moral gray area where children (because children will get their hands on these games) are participating in a plot that is far beyond their maturity level.
Beyond that, immersion in a video game is one of the key factors that draws people in and keeps them playing, but no amount of immersion will ever make me believe that two graphic models on a screen getting steamy is real or intriguing. It's like saying animals procreating is attractive. The uncanny valley is just too strong here and non-humans having sex (explicit or implicit) is more repulsive than any other impulse. If you don't believe that, then you've either never been intimate with another person, or you've got something loose that's genetic, or both. If it isn't real humans being intimate, it's just...weird.
So if all this is true, why would we possibly want to add sex into a video game? A cheap mini-game gimmick like GTA:SA? What a waste of programming resources. If a developer is seriously considering putting sex into a video game they should take a step back and perhaps devote those resources to making a better game. Lord knows they're attempts lately have been pretty pitiful. I haven't seen a decent console game in who knows how long (and as a PS3 owner that saddens me, guess I'll keep watching BRDs).
See, I can think of a few cases where sexuality was tastefully made a core part of a plot. Firefly, for instance, had plot points driven quite frequently by sexuality, and the characters are richer for it. There's no on-screen sex, though. There's very little on-screen kissing, even. Still, the adults watching it know exactly what's going on (and the kids probably don't). In a lot of ways, the focus on character interaction is what elevated the series above pseudotechnobabble plastic forehead alien space soap operas like Star Trek, and it could not have been done without frequent anchors in character sexuality.
I think the most important part to note there is that there was no on-screen sex. I do have trouble finding a reason to have two polygons doing the horizontal tango instead of a strongly framed fade-to-black. I suppose if plot development required something happening in mid-act, then sure, but I get the impression that that's not the case with any recent examples.
I think the most important part to note there is that there was no on-screen sex. I do have trouble finding a reason to have two polygons doing the horizontal tango instead of a strongly framed fade-to-black. I suppose if plot development required something happening in mid-act, then sure, but I get the impression that that's not the case with any recent examples.
You're not the only one, but you are the last one at the time of my writing to point this out.VanityGirl said:
This bothers me slightly. How is it that we have advanced from a game of tennis to beating people up in various violent ways? And suddenly, we get the flash of morality that goes "No! That poor little prostitute!"
Movies have moved on. So has TV programs. What makes games different?
I'm confounded at this double standard. Violence is a-okay but sex is not?
Sex is tasteless, you say. I'll state mindless violence falls about the same area as sex when it comes to taste. My opinion, but last time I checked, murder and rape get the same sentence (here, anyway) when trialled.
Sex in games today, are put in as an afterthought, not being thought through. A couple years back, violence was just exploding ships.
Violence has come a long way from the days of tennis. Why not give sex the same chance to evolve, to finesse itself?
I don't think sex in gaming needs to be a meaningful experience every time. In reality, many of us have been pretty casual with our own sexuality, and reflecting this in gaming as a possibility seems like a good idea too. My character in Fable 2 (one of them anyway) was a womanizer. If I showed up in town for a sale and it was a few ours before the shops were open I'd grab the local bar wench and have at her. Sure, there was nothing to see, but at least I had, to an extent, the option.
My take is that sex in games will and must evolve in order for gaming to survive. The core audience are adults, and just as cinema had to evolve with how it censored itself so must gaming. I remember back in the 80s when the song "I want your sex" was not being aired on American music stations for a short time because of their concern with the use of that word and the theme of the music. We've come a long way (I'm American, so I can really only observe things from my side).
Bare bodies were inevitable in film, as were depictions of sex. Gaming, as a medium of entertainment, has started to and eventually will get there as well. I loved Indigo Prophecy, it was a really fun and really exciting game that told a fascinating story (I love doomsday stories), and it not only had nudity, but it also had a few mini-games that allowed characters to interact sexually. I thought they were appropriate, and at least as well done as any R-rated movie may have portrayed it.
Maybe the archaic notion that gaming is for kids will vanish when those stubborn gray-headed politicians do?
My take is that sex in games will and must evolve in order for gaming to survive. The core audience are adults, and just as cinema had to evolve with how it censored itself so must gaming. I remember back in the 80s when the song "I want your sex" was not being aired on American music stations for a short time because of their concern with the use of that word and the theme of the music. We've come a long way (I'm American, so I can really only observe things from my side).
Bare bodies were inevitable in film, as were depictions of sex. Gaming, as a medium of entertainment, has started to and eventually will get there as well. I loved Indigo Prophecy, it was a really fun and really exciting game that told a fascinating story (I love doomsday stories), and it not only had nudity, but it also had a few mini-games that allowed characters to interact sexually. I thought they were appropriate, and at least as well done as any R-rated movie may have portrayed it.
Maybe the archaic notion that gaming is for kids will vanish when those stubborn gray-headed politicians do?
Politicians are elected by appealing to the largest common demominator; religious groups. Theres nothing religious groups hate more is people acting in accordance with the individual belief system rather than a collective, and as a collective they don't like nudity and sexuality.Icehearted said:
Ah, glad that you and I agree in our blame of the Puritans. XDMelasZepheos said:
Dooly95: I also agree with you. I love to kill things in my video games but I don't pretend that it is somehow less horrid than banging some chic. I've been assaulted and I've had an orgasm. I've always preferred the orgasm and I am sure a significant percentage would have the same preference. So why is the violence less threatening? XD
Disclaimer: Yes I realize that one sentence reads in a way that suggests I am a masochist. I laughed like a child too but that is not the case.
I don't play games so I can take part in a interactive Soap Opera.
If I want a game that has sex in it, I will then play the relationship game we all know, love and hate.
Sex in video-games doesn't make it more mature.
How it is portrayed would make it mature. Let's say your playing a new Jedi game. The character your playing is married and she and her husband has conversations that show their affection without showing an outright liplock or sex action. I would accept that more than a cutscene of guy and girl kissing. I can see the love in their actions and their conservations and not in an outright presentation. That would be maturity in gaming.
Think Mass Effect just showed gamers a one night stand. If the game development community wants to show maturity then they have to stop thinking of porn and start thinking of relationships.
If I want a game that has sex in it, I will then play the relationship game we all know, love and hate.
Sex in video-games doesn't make it more mature.
How it is portrayed would make it mature. Let's say your playing a new Jedi game. The character your playing is married and she and her husband has conversations that show their affection without showing an outright liplock or sex action. I would accept that more than a cutscene of guy and girl kissing. I can see the love in their actions and their conservations and not in an outright presentation. That would be maturity in gaming.
Think Mass Effect just showed gamers a one night stand. If the game development community wants to show maturity then they have to stop thinking of porn and start thinking of relationships.
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Being one of those fabled "Europeans" I see this article as at best misguided. Sex defining people is, well, a statement defining the writer far better than sex defining people, for one.
And we need more sex and sexual tension in games... why? Games are just fine for adults in Europe as is, and sex in games wouldn't affect that one way or other. Causing cultural change by trying to shock people into accepting something is for adults... just doesn't seem like a working plan. If it makes the game better sure, but most games wouldn't benefit from the addition of sex.
More complex moral themes would certainly be welcome - but I doubt that the games industry is capable of actually creating them. Most games with any system relating to morals either cartoonish evil versus saints, or alternatively makes hard moral judgments classifying acts either as "evil" or "good" completely according to the writer's own morals. Neither of these is anywhere close to a satisfying experience.
And as a sidenote: The Mass Effect furor was doubly amusing given that an earlier game by the same developers allowed you to get a character pregnant, albeit without a 5-second clip tamer than most pop-up ads.
Being one of those fabled "Europeans" I see this article as at best misguided. Sex defining people is, well, a statement defining the writer far better than sex defining people, for one.
And we need more sex and sexual tension in games... why? Games are just fine for adults in Europe as is, and sex in games wouldn't affect that one way or other. Causing cultural change by trying to shock people into accepting something is for adults... just doesn't seem like a working plan. If it makes the game better sure, but most games wouldn't benefit from the addition of sex.
More complex moral themes would certainly be welcome - but I doubt that the games industry is capable of actually creating them. Most games with any system relating to morals either cartoonish evil versus saints, or alternatively makes hard moral judgments classifying acts either as "evil" or "good" completely according to the writer's own morals. Neither of these is anywhere close to a satisfying experience.
And as a sidenote: The Mass Effect furor was doubly amusing given that an earlier game by the same developers allowed you to get a character pregnant, albeit without a 5-second clip tamer than most pop-up ads.