Afghanistan, your views.

[ActivatorX]

I think if the republican party had had the balls when Bush Sr. was in office, and we went at it more with desert storm, this mess wouldnt be happening at the moment.

Iraq and Afghanistan are not the same country. Please go buy a map.

I own a map. several. Of several different time periods, seperated by several different centuries.

BUt if we had just plugged a bullet into Suddam at the time, we could have concentrated on Afghanistan and probably be doen with this now.

We're fighting a completely different style of war there. With no disrespect intended, its much like that of the Vietnam war, we have superior technology and firepower, yet it's not paying off. We're fighting them on their home turf.

No, We lost Vietnam because johnson was too much a of a pussy to commit. We could end this just the same as we could have ended Vietnam in about 30 days. Just Firebomb and napalm the shit out of both places for a good 3 months, and that war would have been done in a summer's time. Same for this war. Destroy the enemy, and all around it, and you won, for sheer logic that there is no one left to fight.

And ebfore you say thats terrible, remember this. The only countries that use the geneva convention, care about a good image, and dont want to commit a crime against humanity, are the ones like the US, UK, and other developed countries. You dont see the Taliban obeying the Geneva Convention and you didnt see Hitler listening either.

How about the US fixes its own problems first?
Instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars per year on stupid wars, the US could actually resort to the power of words, where appropriate, and instead, invest that money into education and such. You know, that meaningless stuff noone needs and cares, which Afghanistan lacks, but will be enforced by blowing up the whole country.

Look at Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. American troops went in there to stop a few baddies, but instead the US government wasted half the country and wasted enough money to actually build another country.

Geneva Convention? US? Are you kidding me? Go take a look at what was/is going on in Guantanamo Bay. Go look at all the footage/news of American troops in Iraq/Afghanistan, killing civilians for fun, torturing them, disrobing them for humiliation, etc.

How dare you even mention the Geneva Convention?

If you want to see those countries blown up, just say so, instead of presenting some bogus theories and falsified facts.

P.S. Hitler didn't abide by the Geneva Convention, due to the fact it happened in 49'. Now you link the facts together and figure out why I'm telling you this.

 

[RanD00M]

The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, commonly known as Afghanistan, is a landlocked country in south-central Asia.[8] It is bordered by Pakistan in the south and east, Iran in the west, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan in the north, and China in the far northeast. The territories now comprising Afghanistan have been an ancient focal point of the Silk Road and human migration. Archaeologists have found evidence of human habitation from as far back as 50,000 BCE.[9] Urban civilization may have begun in the area as early as 3,000 to 2,000 BC.[10]


That's all that I can really say. And I just copy/pasted that from Wikipedia.
I have no real opinion on Afghanistan.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I think if the republican party had had the balls when Bush Sr. was in office, and we went at it more with desert storm, this mess wouldnt be happening at the moment.

Iraq and Afghanistan are not the same country. Please go buy a map.

I own a map. several. Of several different time periods, seperated by several different centuries.

BUt if we had just plugged a bullet into Suddam at the time, we could have concentrated on Afghanistan and probably be doen with this now.

We're fighting a completely different style of war there. With no disrespect intended, its much like that of the Vietnam war, we have superior technology and firepower, yet it's not paying off. We're fighting them on their home turf.

No, We lost Vietnam because johnson was too much a of a pussy to commit. We could end this just the same as we could have ended Vietnam in about 30 days. Just Firebomb and napalm the shit out of both places for a good 3 months, and that war would have been done in a summer's time. Same for this war. Destroy the enemy, and all around it, and you won, for sheer logic that there is no one left to fight.

And ebfore you say thats terrible, remember this. The only countries that use the geneva convention, care about a good image, and dont want to commit a crime against humanity, are the ones like the US, UK, and other developed countries. You dont see the Taliban obeying the Geneva Convention and you didnt see Hitler listening either.

How about the US fixes its own problems first?
Instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars per year on stupid wars, the US could actually resort to the power of words, where appropriate, and instead, invest that money into education and such. You know, that meaningless stuff noone needs and cares, which Afghanistan lacks, but will be enforced by blowing up the whole country.

Look at Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. American troops went in there to stop a few baddies, but instead the US government wasted half the country and wasted enough money to actually build another country.

Geneva Convention? US? Are you kidding me? Go take a look at what was/is going on in Guantanamo Bay. Go look at all the footage/news of American troops in Iraq/Afghanistan, killing civilians for fun, torturing them, disrobing them for humiliation, etc.

How dare you even mention the Geneva Convention?

If you want to see those countries blown up, just say so, instead of presenting some bogus theories and falsified facts.

Because I'm sure the country you're from is SO much better. Please, illuminate me, where are you from? lets hear this wondrous land you live in where everything is perfect.

I never said America was the better country, I only said they're holding back. You couldnt compredhend what a country as fucked up as america, where we throw our psychopaths back on the streets after a few years in prison, could do if it felt the need to violate the geneva convention.

Also, Gitmo is not on American Soil. Wat happens in gitmo should stay at gitmo. That is answer to anti terrorism, that is what we should be doing to fight this war, instead of hiding it. But it is not on american soil, and does not violate the Geneva Convention. AND it is under deconstruction, but i guess in the world of fantasy you live in, news like that doesnt travel fast enough. And I see you can rip on america, but what is your solution? What would YOU do? because right now, all I saw was critism, not an answer.

Get it through your skull, this is a war on an idea. this is not against a man, this is not against a place. You fight TERROR with TERROR. So lets give them a reason to be scared, ebcause until they are, and until every single person is destroyed that has terroristic thoughts, this war against terror will never end.

 

[RanD00M]

You dont see the Taliban obeying the Geneva Convention and you didnt see Hitler listening either.

The singular term Geneva Convention refers to the agreements of 1949, negotiated in the aftermath of World War II

I don't care about this conversation or anything in it. And I am not siding with anyone here. But that point about Hitler and the Geneva Convention made me rage a little.
I'm a bit of a WWII nut. But just a bit.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Does it matter? We're fighting a conventional war against an unconventional enemy. Look, i get it. We have to be humane because we have to be better then the opnes we're fighting against. But if that were the case, we'd still be fighting with sticks. Do you really think the Taliban are going to stop and say, "wow, they're being really good sports about this, perhaps we should let by gone be by gones"?

No, they're not. As horrible as it is to say, we're fighting a gentleman's war when we need to fight like animals. We are fighting TERROR as an idea, so we must use Terror in return. there is no fighitng on even ground in a war like this. it is simply who can bury all of the others first.

Last time I checked, fighting with fire only spreads makes the fire bigger (unless you're trying to put out a wildfire by sucking out the oxygen, which is not the case here).

Personally, I think it would be better if America got out of Afghanistan. It lasted for nearly a decade, it killed thousands more innocent civilians than 9/11 (the main reason why America invaded Afghanistan in the first place), it's wasting too much money, and the people don't even want them there. Besides, using "terror" to fight terror goes completely against what America is supposedly fighting for.

But the problem then is, waht does that do? That tells organizations like the Taliban, Al Queda (yeah, my spelling is gonna suck, but I dont normally type these conversations out, I verbally discuss them), that they win. They we couldnt beat them after issuing an open war. And this spreads beyond America, this goes everyhwere.

its a losing war, and both options suck, but you have to do what will stop more death in the future. and right now, that means hunting down each member of those organizations to, if nothing else, kill them and hopefully stop people with similiar ideas from rising to such numbers again.

 

[Littlee300]

I think if the republican party had had the balls when Bush Sr. was in office, and we went at it more with desert storm, this mess wouldnt be happening at the moment.

you retard, you dont understand anything about humans do you? lol yeah, because blowing the shit out of a 3rd world nation is gonna stop kids who have lost their families to war from joining some kind of terrorist group to fight the people responsible, grow a brain :/

Sheesh, don't have to be a dick to make a point to someone who is probably 12.

Anyways, from the escapist man in the military who did answered questions in a thread it became obvious that we aren't just killing people's families and in Afghanistan and Iraq but we are also giving out medicine and getting them on their feet.

 

[emeraldrafael]

You dont see the Taliban obeying the Geneva Convention and you didnt see Hitler listening either.

The singular term Geneva Convention refers to the agreements of 1949, negotiated in the aftermath of World War II

I don't care about this conversation or anything in it. And I am not siding with anyone here. But that point about Hitler and the Geneva Convention made me rage a little.
I'm a bit of a WWII nut. But just a bit.

Apologizes, and thank you for clarifying. But it was just an example, though I'm sorry if i offended you.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I think if the republican party had had the balls when Bush Sr. was in office, and we went at it more with desert storm, this mess wouldnt be happening at the moment.

you retard, you dont understand anything about humans do you? lol yeah, because blowing the shit out of a 3rd world nation is gonna stop kids who have lost their families to war from joining some kind of terrorist group to fight the people responsible, grow a brain :/

Sheesh, don't have to be a dick to make a point to someone who is probably 12.

Anyways, from the escapist man in the military who did answered questions in a thread it became obvious that we aren't just killing people's families and in Afghanistan and Iraq but we are also giving out medicine and getting them on their feet.

I'm 18 thank you very much.

 

[RanD00M]

Apologizes, and thank you for clarifying. But it was just an example, though I'm sorry if i offended you.

OH no, it's alright. Just a little Pet Peeve of mine.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Apologizes, and thank you for clarifying. But it was just an example, though I'm sorry if i offended you.

OH no, it's alright. Just a little Pet Peeve of mine.

well, I just needed another example of non geneva like behavior BUt here, I'll edit my statement.

you didnt see saddam obey the geneva convention when he launched that nerve gas against villages he didnt care for of native people to "test it out"

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Speaking as a Canadian with relatives of friends fighting in Afghanistan, I feel this war of terror has many, many other political reasons for it than 9/11. I'm not comfortable about the fact that Canadians are fighting and dying in a land they didn't attack nor were attacked by.

I think that the peace keeping efforts are not going to work as the enemy is such a mobile threat. Closer co-operation between local militias and the armed forces are needed since soon the Western World will be withdrawing. I am very upset that this war involves the daily killings of civilians by bombings and that terrorists can melt into a population that is scared what will happen to them if they tell foreign forces they are there.

*sigh*

I hate war. War history is fun but real life fighting is totally different. Is there no way to negotiate? Do we really have to come out guns a'blazing?

Well, to be frank, the U.S. has troops everywhere. Even if this conflict were resolved, there would probably still be troops there.

Sadly, whether or not the U.S. should be "at war" with the country has no effect of if troops will be there or not. My buddy served over in Iraq (Yes different country, same principle) BEFORE 9/11.

That is scary. The Romans did the same thing with Greece. Technically the war was over but the troops stayed there. Occupation >_>

...

I need to see how many US soldiers are actually in Canada now. We've never been at war (ignoring 1812 of course) but I can't shake the feeling that there might be US troops on our front lawn...

 

[Agayek]

And ebfore you say thats terrible, remember this. The only countries that use the geneva convention, care about a good image, and dont want to commit a crime against humanity, are the ones like the US, UK, and other developed countries. You dont see the Taliban obeying the Geneva Convention and you didnt see Hitler listening either.

You do realize the Geneva Convention wasn't until after WWII right? Technically it was the fourth Geneva Convention, but that was the one where we hammered out international laws about warcrimes and crimes against humanity (mostly because of the actions of the Third Reich).

That said, I'm of the opinion that if you're going to go to war, you should do it properly. That means bring the full brunt of the military to bear immediately, and completely eliminate the enemy as quickly as humanly possible. As such, I support a scorched earth policy when it comes to violence. I don't have enough information to say whether or not the "War on Terror" was just or not, but once you reach the point of open conflict, limitations should all be thrown out the window. The only thing that matters in a war is who's left alive at the end of the day.

 

[ActivatorX]

I think if the republican party had had the balls when Bush Sr. was in office, and we went at it more with desert storm, this mess wouldnt be happening at the moment.

Iraq and Afghanistan are not the same country. Please go buy a map.

I own a map. several. Of several different time periods, seperated by several different centuries.

BUt if we had just plugged a bullet into Suddam at the time, we could have concentrated on Afghanistan and probably be doen with this now.

We're fighting a completely different style of war there. With no disrespect intended, its much like that of the Vietnam war, we have superior technology and firepower, yet it's not paying off. We're fighting them on their home turf.

No, We lost Vietnam because johnson was too much a of a pussy to commit. We could end this just the same as we could have ended Vietnam in about 30 days. Just Firebomb and napalm the shit out of both places for a good 3 months, and that war would have been done in a summer's time. Same for this war. Destroy the enemy, and all around it, and you won, for sheer logic that there is no one left to fight.

And ebfore you say thats terrible, remember this. The only countries that use the geneva convention, care about a good image, and dont want to commit a crime against humanity, are the ones like the US, UK, and other developed countries. You dont see the Taliban obeying the Geneva Convention and you didnt see Hitler listening either.

How about the US fixes its own problems first?
Instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars per year on stupid wars, the US could actually resort to the power of words, where appropriate, and instead, invest that money into education and such. You know, that meaningless stuff noone needs and cares, which Afghanistan lacks, but will be enforced by blowing up the whole country.

Look at Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. American troops went in there to stop a few baddies, but instead the US government wasted half the country and wasted enough money to actually build another country.

Geneva Convention? US? Are you kidding me? Go take a look at what was/is going on in Guantanamo Bay. Go look at all the footage/news of American troops in Iraq/Afghanistan, killing civilians for fun, torturing them, disrobing them for humiliation, etc.

How dare you even mention the Geneva Convention?

If you want to see those countries blown up, just say so, instead of presenting some bogus theories and falsified facts.

Because I'm sure the country you're from is SO much better. Please, illuminate me, where are you from? lets hear this wondrous land you live in where everything is perfect.

I never said America was the better country, I only said they're holding back. You couldnt compredhend what a country as fucked up as america, where we throw our psychopaths back on the streets after a few years in prison, could do if it felt the need to violate the geneva convention.

Also, Gitmo is not on American Soil. Wat happens in gitmo should stay at gitmo. That is answer to anti terrorism, that is what we should be doing to fight this war, instead of hiding it. But it is not on american soil, and does not violate the Geneva Convention. AND it is under deconstruction, but i guess in the world of fantasy you live in, news like that doesnt travel fast enough. And I see you can rip on america, but what is your solution? What would YOU do? because right now, all I saw was critism, not an answer.

Get it through your skull, this is a war on an idea. this is not against a man, this is not against a place. You fight TERROR with TERROR. So lets give them a reason to be scared, ebcause until they are, and until every single person is destroyed that has terroristic thoughts, this war against terror will never end.

I originate from Bosnia and Herzegovina. You know, that country in which the US and other 1st world countries had stations, yet didn't do shit to prevent the massacres of all ethnicities living there? Yeah, I originate from that hell-hole.


I live in Slovenia. It's a country full of crooked politicians and tycoons who own large portions of the country, and total negligence for everything. This country is in a far worse state than the US, and I can safely say that it's absolute shit at the moment.

Guantánamo Bay is a detainment facility of the United States located in Cuba. The facility is operated by Joint Task Force Guantánamo of the United States government since 2002 in Guantánamo Bay Naval Base, which is on the shore of Guantánamo Bay.[1]

That's my response to your point about Guantanamo Bay.

I don't have any fullproof ideas that would work, but I can guarantee that the countries would be better off with only minor interventions. The actual presence of troops in those countries and all the killings, make more and more people join or want to join the extremists.

I criticise anything and everything. I criticise the US for its hypocrisy in many situations, as well as I criticise the Sha'ria Law for its backward views. There is literally no country, movement or religion that I haven't criticised, and it is my choice, my freedom of speech and my responsibility as a logical-thinking human being to do so.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Speaking as a Canadian with relatives of friends fighting in Afghanistan, I feel this war of terror has many, many other political reasons for it than 9/11. I'm not comfortable about the fact that Canadians are fighting and dying in a land they didn't attack nor were attacked by.

I think that the peace keeping efforts are not going to work as the enemy is such a mobile threat. Closer co-operation between local militias and the armed forces are needed since soon the Western World will be withdrawing. I am very upset that this war involves the daily killings of civilians by bombings and that terrorists can melt into a population that is scared what will happen to them if they tell foreign forces they are there.

*sigh*

I hate war. War history is fun but real life fighting is totally different. Is there no way to negotiate? Do we really have to come out guns a'blazing?

The only problem is that they dont want to fight after major world power forces leave. They usually crumble,a nd you cant teach them to fihgt on their own, when they get used to fighting with powers like the UK, US, Canada, France (maybe? I htink the pulled out, but i might be wrong there). Once those forces leave, the local "armed forces" crumble.

 

[fKd]

1, terrorists are not representatives of any country, ideology is not something you can fight with guns and bombs

2, if you wanna honor the troops (which i agree with) you dont put them in harms way without a shit load of planning and really good reasons

3, these wars have done nothing but grow the anti american sentiment across the world and giving greater strength to these fundamentalist retards (both christian and muslim)

its a lose lose situation where only america has anything to lose. bring the troops home, if you wanna help a nation, dont do it at the end of a gun.

 

[Kingsman]

you retard, you dont understand anything about humans do you? lol yeah, because blowing the shit out of a 3rd world nation is gonna stop kids who have lost their families to war from joining some kind of terrorist group to fight the people responsible, grow a brain :/

You honestly think we've just nuked them to shit over there, don't you? Forget that we're trying to build a couple of stable governments, WE'RE JUST MONSTERS.

Holy shite. Read the newspapers, kid.

 

[Thedayrecker]

I think if the republican party had had the balls when Bush Sr. was in office, and we went at it more with desert storm, this mess wouldnt be happening at the moment.

Iraq and Afghanistan are not the same country. Please go buy a map.

Doesn't help if you can't find it on a map...

 

[Agayek]

I need to see how many US soldiers are actually in Canada now. We've never been at war (ignoring 1812 of course) but I can't shake the feeling that there might be US troops on our front lawn...

You dicks helped burned down the White House! You deserve whatever troops are there! We obviously can't trust you damn shifty Canadians.

PS - I'm kidding, if you can't tell.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Snip all this

I originate from Bosnia and Herzegovina. You know, that country in which the US and other 1st world countries had stations, yet didn't do shit to prevent the massacres of all ethnicities living there? Yeah, I originate from that hell-hole.


I live in Slovenia. It's a country full of crooked politicians and tycoons who own large portions of the country, and total negligence for everything. This country is in a far worse state than the US, and I can safely say that it's absolute shit at the moment.

Guantánamo Bay is a detainment facility of the United States located in Cuba. The facility is operated by Joint Task Force Guantánamo of the United States government since 2002 in Guantánamo Bay Naval Base, which is on the shore of Guantánamo Bay.[1]

That's my response to your point about Guantanamo Bay.

I don't have any fullproof ideas that would work, but I can guarantee that the countries would be better off with only minor interventions. The actual presence of troops in those countries and all the killings, make more and more people join or want to join the extremists.

I criticise anything and everything. I criticise the US for its hypocrisy in many situations, as well as I criticise the Sha'ria Law for its backward views. There is literally no country, movement or religion that I haven't criticised, and it is my choice, my freedom of speech and my responsibility as a logical-thinking human being to do so.

As I said, its not on American soil, and is in a nation where Communism is still in reign. So we dont hav eto have hte same standards. Hell the people native to the land its located in get the same shit treatment from their own governemnt. besides, Gitmo isnt a normal jail. How would you treat these people after what they did? Warm Milk and Cookies? Perhaps a kiss good night and a bed time story?

Also, suggest anything. no plan is full proof. Saying you have nothing full proof is saying you have no idea. At least when you suggest something half baked, it shows some effort into it. because there is no full proof plan.

Anyway, I'm not going to comment on your country. For two reasons, Partly, I dont have the extensive research on nations like yours as I would like. And partly because anytime someone from superpowers of the world does make a comment, it gets turned on them too easily because of a different livings view.

But I will say this. Would you be happy with the US interfeering with your nation's probelms now? I doubt so. You'd ***** piss and moan that we did. So dont tell me about what powers like the US did and did not do.

 

[fKd]

newspapers? hahahhaha christ, who owns the papers son? as if thats a good way to try and gather impartial information.