Alien Prequel Confirmed

[Samurai Goomba]

Well, so far the Alien series has been nothing but good (in my opinion).

Alien 3 was my favorite.

Really? I thought that was the worst one, mainly due to the plot holes and lousy character development... though it did have the most awesome ending of all the films.

I'm tired of franchises being ressurected. What we need is new ideas or at least a new face of the idea. Besides those face raping aliens is just disgusting especially the end result. Question though, does the whole implantation of the aliens work on just women or men as well?

The huggers work on you regardless of sex: see Alien Ressurection, where a male scientist got the chest-bursting suprise.

Also, I'm getting irked with all these remakes. While it's cool seeing some nostalgia love, can't we get some new movies out there?

Make sure you see the special cut of Alien 3. David Fincher (the director) was absolutely horrified at the edits made to the original version, so much so I hear he stormed out of the studio. The original cut has a lot more character development and such. One thing I love about Alien 3 is how well it manages to further the story of the series without ever degenerating into steriotype or ridiculous attempts at "upping the ante" (see Aliens, which decided the only thing scarier than one Alien against a helpless crew was a billion aliens against macho marines armed with pulse rifles.)

Alien 3, however, puts a new spin on things by going back to the roots in many ways while inserting a new twist.

Spoiler

The main character wants to be killed, but the main horror villain refuses to kill her Not many horror movies do THAT.

Oh, and I don't feel like putting a quote wall up here any more than I already am, but I'd just like to add that I don't consider the Alien vs Predator movies a part of the Alien series at all. When I said "all the Alien movies are good," I meant Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection are good. Crossover movies don't count in my book.

 

[scotth266]

Snip about Alien^3.

This special version is the one I want to see? In the version I saw, here's how things went:

Spoiler: For the eyes of Goomba only.

1) We had a illogical beginning: a egg wound up inside the ship somehow, even though there was no way it could have got there.

2) Ripley lands on the planet, and has about two talks with Mr.Doctor before she goes: Hey! Let's fuck! There's no real adequate reason for it, it just happens.

3) Almost immediately after their cuddle session, Mr.Doctor gets the air vent treatment. Ripley takes this REMARKABLY WELL, to the point where it's absurd. It's like she never gave a shit about him!

4) Ripley was somehow infected, even though the glass on the pod wasn't broken? Whuh? It doesn't make sense, though it was cool.

If your "original" version changes these things, I'd be more than willing to track it down.

Also, I thought that AVP Ressurection had a neat idea: it showed us what would happen if the Aliens DID reach Earth, something that the Alien movies never really explored. Hint hint: it was a BAD DAY for the humies all around.

 

[runtheplacered]

Neat-o. Although for me this is overshadowed by the fact that I read yesterday about the Ghostbusters 3 movie in production.

 

[runtheplacered]

We'll finally find out where the space jockey came from and if the Aliens where really build is biological weapons that got out of control. Can't wait for this one. XD

This is copied and pasted from Wikipedia about the Space Jockey in the novelization:

"The Space Jockey is discovered in Alien when the commercial starship Nostromo sets down on the unsurveyed moon LV-426 to investigate an unknown signal. The crew finds a crashed derelict spacecraft with its fossilized pilot -- the Space Jockey -- inside.

The derelict ship contains several thousand alien eggs. Scott suggests in his Alien DVD commentary that the Jockey's ship was a "bomber": alien eggs could be dropped on an enemy planet, and the aliens would proceed to kill the population as they spawned. According to Cameron, the Space Jockey's craft picked up alien eggs and the pilot became infected by the dangerous cargo; the ship landed on LV-426 and the Space Jockey transmitted the signal as a warning.[1] John Mollo and Ron Cobb's "The Alien Portfolio" and Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Alien state the Space Jockey encountered the aliens on LV-426.

In Foster's Alien novelization, Ash describes the Space Jockey's race as a noble people and hopes that mankind will encounter them under more pleasant circumstances. It also states that they were larger, stronger and possibly more intelligent than humans. Foster's novelization states that the Jockey was trying to warn humans away from the aliens."

I wonder if they'll stick with that or do something entirely different with them.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Snip about Alien^3.

This special version is the one I want to see? In the version I saw, here's how things went:

Spoiler: For the eyes of Goomba only.

1) We had a illogical beginning: a egg wound up inside the ship somehow, even though there was no way it could have got there.

2) Ripley lands on the planet, and has about two talks with Mr.Doctor before she goes: Hey! Let's fuck! There's no real adequate reason for it, it just happens.

3) Almost immediately after their cuddle session, Mr.Doctor gets the air vent treatment. Ripley takes this REMARKABLY WELL, to the point where it's absurd. It's like she never gave a shit about him!

4) Ripley was somehow infected, even though the glass on the pod wasn't broken? Whuh? It doesn't make sense, though it was cool.

If your "original" version changes these things, I'd be more than willing to track it down.

Also, I thought that AVP Ressurection had a neat idea: it showed us what would happen if the Aliens DID reach Earth, something that the Alien movies never really explored. Hint hint: it was a BAD DAY for the humies all around.

Spoiler

Okay, here's what I think changed in the Director's Cut:

1. Prison inmates actually have character development. Especially the extremely religious black guy. I'd be more specific but I really can't remember his name. Ripley develops actual friendships with some of the characters.

2. The feeling of jumping around from place to place is lessened. Oh, and the plot holes? I wouldn't say they're gone completely, but I'm pretty sure some of it isn't as bad. I assume, for example, that a Facehugger somehow got on the ship (sadly, this isn't explained so well). I would chalk Ripley's indifference to the doctor's death up to a case of her already having accepted that EVERYONE was gonna probably die. She's used to it by now. If she can watch her almost-daughter from Aliens be autopsied (Alien 3, not sure if this is additional footage or not) and see her crew die in the original, she can handle having a sex buddy get killed.

Anyway, I recommend checking into it again, but no rush. I really don't see the appeal of Aliens, though. Sure, it started many of the SF horror cliches we have today, but... Meh. It's a good movie because of everyone BUT the marines. I really didn't care for them at all, and was pretty happy to see them die. I also didn't care for the cannon fodder approach Mr. Cameron took with the iconic Alien character. I didn't realize this was Dynasty Warriors with guns, here.

 

[scotth266]

Snip about A3 again.

Ah, I can understand your dislike for the cannon fodder approach, but you have to think that's actually what WOULD happen most of the time. I mean, having the one alien in Alien^3 was a nice touch, but at the same time having the mass battles is a cool idea. Perhaps they just need someone who knows how to handle large-scale war scenes to take over if they decide to do that again?

All I'm saying is, with proper execution we could have good results. Sure, most of the marines were assholes, but that last guy was actually pretty cool while being militaristic at the same time.

And while I see your point about Ripley being detached, she should still have shown more emotion than a porcelain doll after that, especially since it looked like she was finally becoming more human till that moment.

I got the Alien and Predator Total Destruction Collection, which has all the movies. I'll have to check to see if my Alien^3 disc has the DC on it.

 

[Skeleon]

No, please, Cthulhu, no!
The Space Jockey was part of the mystery. There were several theories including the "bomber"-story. But now they'll come up with some half-assed explanation that nobody'll really like.
I don't normally use smileys here but what the hell: :,-(

Question though, does the whole implantation of the aliens work on just women or men as well?

It works on anybody. The first human to be implanted was a male, by the way.

 

[Skeleon]

Something completely unrelated: Why is the egg in that picture upside-down?
I had to check my DVD-box right away and, sure enough, it was that way there, too.
What's with that? That'd only work if the egg was dangling from the ceiling or something.

 

[v3n0mat3]

Wonder if Sigourney Weaver will make an appearance in this movie... Not as Ripley, though.

 

[StigmataDiaboli]

Awesome. Well at least it wont be as bad as Alien vs Preadtor 2...can it?

 

[ccesarano]

This is terrible news.

Also, in regards to discussions, the original Alien is by far the best, Alien: Resurrection is absolutely terrible (even though Joss Whedon's original script, pre-douchebag-French-director, was decent, it was in no way really all that good), and people out and out debate the second and third.

Aliens is really not that great. Every time I watch it the film loses more and more of its quality. It's a straight up action flick where the actual Aliens get little screen time.

Alien 3 is not the best, but is overall my favorite. It is certainly better than number two, simply because it is a much more interesting scenario. This time they are isolated on a planet, so there's no "launch it into space" to save them. Ripley is the only woman in a prison full of Double-Y Chromosome males that are encountering their first real temptation since discovering God. There is a race against time as Weyland-Yutani discovers the Alien and Ripley's infection (built upon further in the aforementioned director's cut). The prison also has no weapons, leaving the people to improvise against a killing machine.

In addition, it has a good presence of the Alien itself, and in fact has the most satisfying presence.

The first Alien vs. Predator was fun for the first time, but eventually watching the Aliens and Predators fight loses its touch.

I refuse to see AvP2. The director's cried about nothing but "going back to its roots". I'm sorry, but neither franchise was about endless gore, Rescue Nukes and triplet chest bursters. The brothers Strauss can go to Hell.

Also, the only comic featuring either Aliens or Predators that didn't suck are the Batman vs. Predator comics. All others (and novelizations based upon them) are ass.

 

[smithy1234]

I think this film may have some potential... but it may also suck very hard. One or the other.

 

[AbsoluteVirtue18]

...Once again my youthful optimism will win out.

 

[Satki]

NONONONONONONONO!!!

Don't ruin aliens for me more than 3 and 4 did, just leave it alone!!!

And I'd like to see how humans would appear in the film at all without completely messing up the timeline

 

[Satki]

Snip about Alien^3.

Also, I thought that AVP Ressurection had a neat idea: it showed us what would happen if the Aliens DID reach Earth, something that the Alien movies never really explored. Hint hint: it was a BAD DAY for the humies all around.

You should read the Aliens novels. They're pretty good, and some continued the story of Hicks & Newt, although when they killed them of in A3 they had to re-write and change the characters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hive

Essentially what happens is Weyland/Yutani or another organisation gets an Alien back to earth, or they bring the orginial Queen Mother (x3 bigger than a normal Queen) back from the Aliens planet of origin. I think in the ensuing chaos the entire Pacific Rim was nuked to kill her and her brood, but there are millions of 'em all over various continents. Humans began fleeing Earth like a sinking ship, making for the colonies in whatever ships they could stowaway on. Back on Earth, a lot of people were left behind, and it became like your atypical zombie holocaust survival scenario.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_(novel)
Some I've read:
Nightmare Asylum - Very psychotic, a group of travellers land on a planet and are captured by an Alien brood. This brood is diseased though, and cannot reproduce through normal face-hugger means.
The Female War - Ripley's in it (pre A3), she and a band of people travel to the Alien hive planet to kill a Queen, who they can hear in their dreams. Killing the ruling Queen results in a Princess(slightly different strain), escaping summary execution and establishing a rival hive (red vs black).
Genocide - 1 of my favourites. Clean-up of Alien hive strains almost complete on Earth, people return. A new drug, which uses Alien chemicals from hives, gives people superhuman like abilities. A team of soldiers/mercs is sent to back to the Hive World to get the pure strain of chemicals, as they land they see a landscape of Aliens fighting each other!

But that doesn't work!
In Aliens 3, Ripley was in an escape craft that left the marines ship after aliens 2, and only woke up when the craft landed in the prison, so the female war doesn't work...

 

[Zykon TheLich]

In space, no one can hear you scream...which is just as well, cause I'm screaming some pretty profane shit right now...

Ok, we're not in space, but you get the picture...