The first guy said 4 out of 10 households rather then just reducing it tow 2 out of 5. Is basic math that hard? Why is that the thing I notice the most?
All male Fox News panel freak out over the numbers of women providing the main income in households
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I am going to be controversial now and say... why is it that women are now making more money than men? Don't get me wrong -- it's marvellous and as a woman I hope to do the same.
That is... until I get married.
Perhaps it's because of the strict conservatism I was raised in but I do believe that a woman's role is to look after the children. If the mother wants to work then she gets a part-time job because that way she can still be there for the children. It's the man who is out 40 hours a week putting food on the table and supporting the family.
I know everybody will disagree with me but that's my opinion.
That is... until I get married.
Perhaps it's because of the strict conservatism I was raised in but I do believe that a woman's role is to look after the children. If the mother wants to work then she gets a part-time job because that way she can still be there for the children. It's the man who is out 40 hours a week putting food on the table and supporting the family.
I know everybody will disagree with me but that's my opinion.
As a man, I'd just like to say that I believe that all marriage duties are shared among all members of the marriage. Household maintenance? Everyday chores? Putting money on the table every day? Taking care of the children? Everything is the responsibility of all members of the marriage.Nantucket said:
Growing up in a conservative family will always leave you with some tendencies like that. It's unfortunate, but do try and look at it objectively (and I don't mean that in a condescending way)Nantucket said:
The point is that people no longer should be thinking of women as less intellectually capable, or less able to hold a demanding job.
And if you believe that (which you should, notwithstanding maternity leave, which may hold some slight sway) then the logical conclusion that you reach is a situation like they're describing in the video: where women earn roughly the same amount as men.
In fact, what is probably holding us back the most is ingrained conservative attitudes like the one you display. The idea of being a stay-home Dad is weird to me too, because I grew up in a family where my father was the only one with an income.
EDIT: I'd like to point out that those attitudes hurt men as well as women (although the Fox News guys being pigs has certainly made the issue about women). For every woman that wants to work but feels pressured to stay home there's a man who has no urge or drive to climb the greasy pole but feels morally obligated to do so.
Fox News are like the people who I conveniently leave out of debates where I say "No-one actually thinks equality is a bad thing". They've called me on it by being their fuckwit selves once again.
Who is the primary income earner should be inconsequential. Both genders generally work.
As for child-rearing, whatever works. Half and half or delegated roles, I don't particularly care. I would probably go half and half, it doesn't make people who are happy to earn all the income or raise the children all the time sexist.
Who is the primary income earner should be inconsequential. Both genders generally work.
As for child-rearing, whatever works. Half and half or delegated roles, I don't particularly care. I would probably go half and half, it doesn't make people who are happy to earn all the income or raise the children all the time sexist.
What is to say we cannot do both? Where I come from women were in charge of business, the economy and children. Although it was more of the "work from home" concept as needed, as well as children often accompanied their mothers while they worked and learned valuable lessons from doing so. This is the traditional role of mothers in Hopi society. In matriarchal society, women are the primary ones responsible for business, economy, children, property, and the man takes the womans name when joining. I am not sure how one can get more "conservative" than that since this has been the way of life for many for thousands of years.Nantucket said:
Yes, but only in rats as far as I have read. They are still working out some of the issues, but from everything I have read on the progress, it is only minor issues that they do not see as being a huge problem. Yes, they do hope that it will soon allow female couples to actually have their own children rather than having to go to a sperm bank.Halyah said:
I think that if that's what you want to do, then go for it. Being a stay-at-home parent is a rewarding job. However it's not for everyone. Not everyone is a natural parent for one thing, regardless of gender. I have a friend who has three kids yet she cannot handle all three at the same time for more than three-four hours without feeling faint from stress. She'd never handle having them home all day, every day. In fact she's never even really liked kids, although she loves hers. Her husband on the other hand is much better with them in that regard.Nantucket said:
As you implied yourself - with mentioning your conservative upbringing - gender roles are largely cultural and learned behaviours. You were taught that women should be the primary caregivers and your own mother probably gave you an excellent reason to believe this. My own father was raised to believe that men were the breadwinners and my mother, although more modern in outlook, was quite happy to be a housewife. (She wasn't a terribly good mother, but that's another story.) Then the economy changed and they could no longer afford having her stay at home, so she started to work when I was 5 years old. Then when she died 2 years later - cancer - my father completely broke down and had no clue how to take care us, because he'd never expected to. Thus I'm all fucked up.
However, I know many fathers that ARE excellent primary or equal caregivers for their kids, and who greatly enjoy being so. Sweden is a bit different from the States though, what with our 16 months paid parental leave - two of which are reserved exclusively to the father - and so on. It's easier for both parents to bond with the child in the early months and to see who is more comfortable taking that primary role if at all. (That's not to say that all families split their parental leave equally; many men still only take those two months, if at all. But it's important that the option is there.)
This got a bit rambly and incoherent, sorry. TL;DR: Do what feels good for you, but forcing others to do that through societal pressure is not a good idea.
I tried watching the video, but I couldn't get through half of it. This kind of thing is intellectually offensive to me, and honestly, it disgusts me that this sort of blatant stupidity is even allowed on television.
Oh wait, this was on Fox News? Business as usual, then.
Oh wait, this was on Fox News? Business as usual, then.
I believe women are dominant because raising a family has to be one of the hardest things you'll ever do in life.
Men swan off to work everyday thus leaving the woman alone with a temperamental human being. You don't stop - they are demanding little cretins from dawn until dusk.
I don't see any shame in a woman's expected role in life.
If she wants something more then all the best. But maintaining a household, working on a marriage (which isn't easy! I've seen my parents fight, struggle and cry) and raising children to be acceptable people of society is not easy.
Now I'm going off topic....
I hope to achieve the most out of life before I eventually settle down with a man. But I see no shame giving up a career and letting him take control of the finance if I have a household to look after.
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My father would have ran a mile if he had to raise 3 kids all on his own. He struggles to stop working six days a week even now and us kids have all grown up.
My mother is lonely though.
Since we have grown up her life has lost some meaning which is sad.
Men swan off to work everyday thus leaving the woman alone with a temperamental human being. You don't stop - they are demanding little cretins from dawn until dusk.
I don't see any shame in a woman's expected role in life.
If she wants something more then all the best. But maintaining a household, working on a marriage (which isn't easy! I've seen my parents fight, struggle and cry) and raising children to be acceptable people of society is not easy.
Now I'm going off topic....
I hope to achieve the most out of life before I eventually settle down with a man. But I see no shame giving up a career and letting him take control of the finance if I have a household to look after.
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I have just read this and I have to let you know how much respect I have your father.trollnystan said:
My father would have ran a mile if he had to raise 3 kids all on his own. He struggles to stop working six days a week even now and us kids have all grown up.
My mother is lonely though.
Since we have grown up her life has lost some meaning which is sad.
i'm sorry for sounding so harsh, but America comes accross as really stunted with regards to equality
Of course there's no shame in it! I've worked as a caregiver in daycare; children are hard work. However, I also see no shame in the man wanting to take that role instead of the woman.Nantucket said:
