Alpha, beta and you.

[Doclector]

Recently, I've been hearing a lot about "Alpha/beta". This is nothing new, it's simply being exposed to me more at the moment.

For those uninitiated, Alpha/beta males is the idea that there is a certain kind of man you can be to have sex, get places in life, and generally, be more awesome, and another kind of man that does the exact opposite.

Alpha males can attract women easily, and are generally attractive. They're successful, or at least living semi-decently. Centre of attention, life of the party, all that.

Beta males are about as attractive to women as a shit covered lamprey. They live in their parents basements. Only ever invited to parties as a cruel joke.

Now, I'm annoyed at this. It seems to suggest a higher/lower class of humanity, or at least the male part of it. More than that, betas are not a subject of pity, but full on hate.

However, a terrible thought refuses to leave my mind. What if they're right?

Maybe it's a little harsh as it is. Beta is beta, beta shall never be alpha, and will never be allowed any of the privileges of the alphas, such is the idea. However, our society is littered with examples of supposed "betas" tasting greatness. Bill gates is an obvious one.

But doesn't it always seem that some people have it all fall into place? They never seem to struggle to get the girl, get the job, get the life that you seem to try so hard for? Is it possible that some of us simply are more "blessed" than others, and possibly that the simple tastes of society has formed this spectrum into two distinct groups?

Maybe I'm overthinking a silly internet saying. Personally, I think there are certain people "born to win", and that's not necessarily something limited to men. That doesn't mean it's impossible for the rest of us, but it is harder, and the knowledge that some people have it easy seems to make it more so.

TLR What do you think of the Alpha/beta thing? To what extent is it myth or reality? Would you consider yourself one or the other?

 

[Luna]

What do I think? I think that there are categories within the alpha-beta spectrum. There are levels, more than simply alpha and beta. Some are less beta than others but more alpha than others, and there are several places in between the ultimate alpha male and the 'beta phaggot'. You and I are almost certainly somewhere in between.


We can all improve ourselves, but if you're not good looking and have social interaction made difficult by a poor childhood and bad experiences, then you will probably never be a full on alpha male to the highest degree; an alpha plus. I probably won't. I don't have enough drive and ambition, and although I have some cool hobbies and shit, (which do NOT involve pony stuff, which is something I keep to myself on the internet),I'm not the most interesting man in the world.


http://alphareporting.wordpress.com/

^here we have omega males, (WOW playing 4chan basement dwelling neckbeards), up to beta minus, beta plus, alpha minus and alpha plus.

 

[Vault101]

However, a terrible thought refuses to leave my mind. What if they're right?

don't think about it

the fact is that most of us arent ever going to acheive levels of greatness, I am of average pretty much everything

but you can't get hung up on thease Ideas no matter how truthful they are, because it will hold you back,

 

[Thaluikhain]

It's total bullshit.

Are all women the same, so males will attract them if they tick boxes X, Y and Z and won't if they don't? No.

Is how well a male attracting identical women the best yardstick for measuring his worth? No.

Do all men want to attract these identical women? No.

Yes, some people are much more successful than others. Take Bill Gates, computer industry dominating zillionaire. I daresay he'd fit the definition of being a beta male, except for his massive amounts of success.

 

[Vault101]

http://alphareporting.wordpress.com/

^here we have omega males, (WOW playing 4chan basement dwelling neckbeards), up to beta minus, beta plus, alpha minus and alpha plus.

god.....I mean I get can some of the Ideas there but some of it also seems hateful to people for just being who they are...

also how does this apply to women I wonder....

EDTI: I'm also getting alot of "do you even lift F****t" vibes from the blog

 

[Shock and Awe]

I never really took such talk seriously. Honestly I've mainly heard it on 4chan used jokingly.

 

[JoJo]

It's clear that people vary in both ability to succeed in life and attractiveness, but it's certainly not a binary distinction of "alpha" and "beta". In reality there are several factors which affect how attractive one is:

-Physical appearance & health
-Financial success
-Personality

Being high in one of these doesn't automatically mean you're high in the others. Bill Gates may have a poor physique but he pretty much leads the world in financial success. On the flip side, there's nothing stopping a burger flipper from doing a ton of exercise and getting ripped as fuck.

http://alphareporting.wordpress.com/

^here we have omega males, (WOW playing 4chan basement dwelling neckbeards), up to beta minus, beta plus, alpha minus and alpha plus.

This was an interesting read but I'm not entirely convinced, it's seems to boil down to a hierarchy of basement dwellers -> lazy nerds -> nerds -> jocks -> business men... when real life is far more complicated. It assumes that you are either fit physically, financially successful and socially adept, or not, with no mixtures of those. It's better than a binary choice of alpha / beta but still too vague to represent the variety of people you see in real life.

 

[Luna]

http://alphareporting.wordpress.com/

^here we have omega males, (WOW playing 4chan basement dwelling neckbeards), up to beta minus, beta plus, alpha minus and alpha plus.

god.....I mean I get can some of the Ideas there but some of it also seems hateful to people for just being who they are...

I read this source a few months ago and don't remember the specifics. How is it hateful? Is is implying that betas live worthless sad empty lives?

also how does this apply to women I wonder....

I would have to say not really. You could argue from an employment perspective for chicks, but socially looks have, do, and will probably always whether a woman is 'alpha'

I even saw a study once that indicated that men are attracted to shyness in women, and woman are attracted to pride in men. Opposites.

EDTI: I'm also getting alot of "do you even lift F****t" vibes from the blog

The "misc" is big on alpha/beta stuff. Go to the front page and see threads 'txting girl, is this an alpha response?' 'alpha as fuk', etc etc

 

[Luna]

It's clear that people vary in both ability to succeed in life and attractiveness, but it's certainly not a binary distinction of "alpha" and "beta". In reality there are several factors which affect how attractive one is:

-Physical appearance & health
-Financial success
-Personality

Being high in one of these doesn't automatically mean you're high in the others. Bill Gates may have a poor physique but he pretty much leads the world in financial success. On the flip side, there's nothing stopping a burger flipper from doing a ton of exercise and getting ripped as fuck.

http://alphareporting.wordpress.com/

^here we have omega males, (WOW playing 4chan basement dwelling neckbeards), up to beta minus, beta plus, alpha minus and alpha plus.

This was an interesting read but I'm not entirely convinced, it's seems to boil down to a hierarchy of basement dwellers -> lazy nerds -> nerds -> jocks -> business men... when real life is far more complicated. It assumes that you are either fit physically, financially successful and socially adept, or not, with no mixtures of those. It's better than a binary choice of alpha / beta but still too vague to represent the variety of people you see in real life.

I actually agree.



There's also the factor that nobody is alpha all the time, and typical betas can have what can be seen as an alpha moment.

 

[Vault101]

I read this source a few months ago and don't remember the specifics. How is it hateful?
Is is implying that betas live worthless sad empty lives?

while sterotypes exist for a reason and there is overlap between interests and charachter traits.. it pushes a very rigid veiw as to what peopel must be like, you MUST be social, cool, no nerdy stuff ect...you must be a certain way, liking videogames makes you a loser..being a nerd makes you a loser ect I really get the impression "you have to be like those jerks in jersy shore to suceed"

not to mention its pretty anti-introvert....I imagine this guy would proably absolutly 100% reject any notion that some peopel actually enjoy solitude more than being socialble, no to him they are sad..thats it, like somhow going out everyweekend is "inheritly" better..another way of saying "MY VERSION OF FUN IS BETTER THAN YOURS"


[quote/]I would have to say not really. You could argue from an employment perspective for chicks, but socially looks have, do, and will probably always whether a woman is 'alpha'[/quote]
yeah the social dynamics with men/women are different

the "misc" is big on alpha/beta stuff. Go to the front page and see threads 'txting girl, is this an alpha response?' 'alpha as fuk', etc etc

its almost pathetic how they obesse over this stuff

 

[MammothBlade]

The whole Alpha/Beta/Omega thing is just a gross oversimplification. It's a silly, lazy explanation for something which is a LOT more complex. Guess what, there are so many different personality traits and types of people and you can't neatly sum them up in 3 general types from best to last.
It creates expectations to conform to your allocated label or try to punch above it, making guys more dickish and stupid than they actually are to try and seem hard or attractive.

What do I think? I think that there are categories within the alpha-beta spectrum. There are levels, more than simply alpha and beta. Some are less beta than others but more alpha than others, and there are several places in between the ultimate alpha male and the 'beta phaggot'. You and I are almost certainly somewhere in between.


We can all improve ourselves, but if you're not good looking and have social interaction made difficult by a poor childhood and bad experiences, then you will probably never be a full on alpha male to the highest degree; an alpha plus. I probably won't. I don't have enough drive and ambition, and although I have some cool hobbies and shit, (which do NOT involve pony stuff, which is something I keep to myself on the internet),I'm not the most interesting man in the world.


http://alphareporting.wordpress.com/

^here we have omega males, (WOW playing 4chan basement dwelling neckbeards), up to beta minus, beta plus, alpha minus and alpha plus.

Why believe in this alpha-beta spectrum at all?

The only thing that blog did well was demonstrate how easy it is to pull labels out of one's arse and make gullible insecure readers eat that shit up wholesale. And if you object to said labelling, your opinion is invalid and you are just bitter about your inferior status.
It goes to show that these sorts of simplistic narratives can control just how people perceive themselves and others and shut down all conscious thought about alternative explanations.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

Given the number of letters in the Greek alphabet, being a beta wouldn't be all that bad; second only to alpha. Me, I'm probably more a delta male.

 

[DoPo]

Imma be cool and non-mainstream - imma not even be a letter. Imma be a comma male! Because you can build a sentence without me, however, I must be there if some adverbs are present

I don't even know what that means but it's better than the alpha/beta thing altogether.

 

[StylinBones]

Alphas take charge. Betas allow Alphas to do that, stepping over them in the process.

Betas are not necessarily a "loser" or "hated", they just don't stand up for themselves. They don't take what they want, they take what's left after the Alphas have had their fill. They can be normal and even in the cool crowd, but they'll never have the hottest girlfriend or the best job. They're not confident enough to TAKE those things.

What are you gonna be?! HUH! Take it!!

 

[Luna]

The whole Alpha/Beta/Omega thing is just a gross oversimplification. It's a silly, lazy explanation for something which is a LOT more complex. Guess what, there are so many different personality traits and types of people and you can't neatly sum them up in 3 general types from best to last.
It creates expectations to conform to your allocated label or try to punch above it, making guys more dickish and stupid than they actually are to try and seem hard or attractive.

What do I think? I think that there are categories within the alpha-beta spectrum. There are levels, more than simply alpha and beta. Some are less beta than others but more alpha than others, and there are several places in between the ultimate alpha male and the 'beta phaggot'. You and I are almost certainly somewhere in between.


We can all improve ourselves, but if you're not good looking and have social interaction made difficult by a poor childhood and bad experiences, then you will probably never be a full on alpha male to the highest degree; an alpha plus. I probably won't. I don't have enough drive and ambition, and although I have some cool hobbies and shit, (which do NOT involve pony stuff, which is something I keep to myself on the internet),I'm not the most interesting man in the world.


http://alphareporting.wordpress.com/

^here we have omega males, (WOW playing 4chan basement dwelling neckbeards), up to beta minus, beta plus, alpha minus and alpha plus.

Why believe in this alpha-beta spectrum at all?

The only thing that blog did well was demonstrate how easy it is to pull labels out of one's arse and make gullible insecure readers eat that shit up wholesale. And if you object to said labelling, your opinion is invalid and you are just bitter about your inferior status.
It goes to show that these sorts of simplistic narratives can control just how people perceive themselves and others and shut down all conscious thought about alternative explanations.

^typical beta response.


just kidding. But I think the whole idea that objecting to this theory makes you open to "just [being] bitter about your inferior status", is valid in why this concept may be more widely accepted or at least not as disregarded as it otherwise might be, but that doesn't change whether it is ultimately true or not.


I think alpha is ultimately just a word for a socially (pack leader), and financially (resources), successful man. The person that wrote this simply identifies enjoying computer games and stuff like that to be the opposite, which isn't really true.

 

[White Lightning]

Woah, did 4chan get remodeled while I was at work or something? Seems alot less faggy to me as well hmmm...

OT: It's all a load of crap. Anyone who honestly takes this seriously is an idoit.

 

[WolfThomas]

I think that nonsense is pretty stupid.

Firstly there's the whole fact that in the animal kingdom there's a spectrum from alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon to omega. Most people claiming to be alpha would actually be beta if we were Gorillas. But you know what? We're not, which leads me to my next point...

...totally cuts the woman out the equation. Women are not the same. They have different attractions, hopes and desires. You're not going to be able to have sex with every woman if you're an "Alpha", just a large population of a specific type of woman and guess what, they're just as involved in the decision to have sex. They are choosing to have sex with you because they want to, not being overwhelmed by your masculinity.

I saw some terrible comment about how if a man hits on "Alpha's" girlfriend he gets in a fight, whereas a beta picks her up from the guys house the next day. Both of these events in normal society imply massive character flaws on either the "Alpha" or the "Beta's" girlfriend.

 

[Vault101]

Alphas take charge. Betas allow Alphas to do that, stepping over them in the process.

Betas are not necessarily a "loser" or "hated", they just don't stand up for themselves. They don't take what they want, they take what's left after the Alphas have had their fill. They can be normal and even in the cool crowd, but they'll never have the hottest girlfriend or the best job. They're not confident enough to TAKE those things.

What are you gonna be?! HUH! Take it!!

I didnt realise we lived in a society where thease things are dictated by fighting lions and gladiators in an arena....or stealing concepts

...totally cuts the woman out the equation. Women are not the same. They have different attractions, hopes and desires. You're not going to be able to have sex with every woman if you're an "Alpha", just a large population of a specific type of woman and guess what, they're just as involved in the decision to have sex. They are choosing to have sex with you because they want to, not being overwhelmed by your masculinity.
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if a woman isn't a 8 or 9 she doesnt count...duuuhh

 

[WolfThomas]

...totally cuts the woman out the equation. Women are not the same. They have different attractions, hopes and desires. You're not going to be able to have sex with every woman if you're an "Alpha", just a large population of a specific type of woman and guess what, they're just as involved in the decision to have sex. They are choosing to have sex with you because they want to, not being overwhelmed by your masculinity.
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if a woman isn't a 8 or 9 she doesnt count...duuuhh

Silly me, I forgot that of course those women won't go out with them automatically aren't 8-10s.

 

[Vault101]

snip

exactly

if a chick wont go out with an alpha male plus its because she cant GET an alpha male plus because shes too low of a standard, chicks say they dont like alpha males really because their covering up their insecurites and are jealous of the hot women who can

its like..science...evolutionary'n shit