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matrix3509

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If there were as many people actually writing and making women protagonists in game, as there were complaining about it, we'd have the opposite problem.

This is the age of the internet, where everyone complains, but no one actually gets off their lazy asses to make changes. Don't have the time or inclination? Tough shit. Why not vote with your wallet instead? But of course they won't. They are just as spineless as the rest of the gaming community: All talk, no walk.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As soon as devs and publishers judge that its more harmful to their bottom-line to NOT include women protagonists, then things will change.
 

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I'm really done caring, The gender/race/sexually ratio in a game is not going to be what decides if I buy a video game or not and if anyone lets that then it's beyond pettiness.

You can't look at any list on steam without being buried in a mountain of games with White male protagonists But somehow games like transistor, the walking dead, tomb raider, have still been able to be Best sellers highly reviewed and acclaimed by the MAJORITY of gamers that are suppose to be the boys only club.

So the problem doesn't seem to lie with the majority of gamers here because they seem to be fine leaving their gender/racially and looking at some of the indie and kickstarters sexual comfort zones for a good game. If you can't well then be happy with the few you can fine and stop crying about you won't play something that isn't your picture perfect representation of what you like, it's not like you can play all the games anyway.
 

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matrix3509 said:
If there were as many people actually writing and making women protagonists in game, as there were complaining about it, we'd have the opposite problem.

This is the age of the internet, where everyone complains, but no one actually gets off their lazy asses to make changes. Don't have the time or inclination? Tough shit. Why not vote with your wallet instead? But of course they won't. They are just as spineless as the rest of the gaming community: All talk, no walk.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As soon as devs and publishers judge that its more harmful to their bottom-line to NOT include women protagonists, then things will change.
you know this is all good and well untill you realise NO ONE pulls that "do your own" card in regards to anything else

only this...interestingly
Eve Charm said:
If you can't well then be happy with the few you can fine and stop crying about you won't play something that isn't your picture perfect representation of what you like, it's not like you can play all the games anyway.
how about...no

here's something I really love..I really love when people who are USUALLY (but not always) the demographic being catered too, THEY are the ones telling ME I'm being unreasonable

I mean the lack of self awareness is just baffling
 

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Vault101 said:
Eve Charm said:
If you can't well then be happy with the few you can fine and stop crying about you won't play something that isn't your picture perfect representation of what you like, it's not like you can play all the games anyway.
how about...no

here's something I really love..I really love when people who are USUALLY (but not always) the demographic being catered too, THEY are the ones telling ME I'm being unreasonable

I mean the lack of self awareness is just baffling
The lack of self awareness to which being catered to? Do you mean to tell me a good portion of games this year "ONLY" catered to one demographic or are you seeing how homogenized it's getting that right about now, gamers in general regardless of a lot of things are becoming that Demographic that usually gets catered to.
 

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Eve Charm said:
The lack of self awareness to which being catered to? Do you mean to tell me a good portion of games this year "ONLY" catered to one demographic or are you seeing how homogenized it's getting that right about now, gamers in general regardless of a lot of things are becoming that Demographic that usually gets catered to.
wut?

my point is those "complaining" are the ones getting left by the wayside..and becially getting the metaphorical middle finger when Ubisoft says "its too hard"

and those who for whatever reason decide they find such complaining distastful and want everyone else to shut up, they are [i/]usually[/i] part of the straight white male demographic...most things are deigned to appeal to them [footnote/]weather or not those things are ACTUALLY appealing is a different matter...[/footnote]
theyre the ones acting like group A are somethow unreasonable

yet anything else (like PC ports and frameraates) is srs buisness
 

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ak93]It seems that everyday people make a big deal out of gender equality in games.

Is it bad that I don't really care?

I didn't finish Mass Effect and think "Man, that game would have been better had there been more females".

Or play a chapter of The Walking Dead thinking "This would be better if Lee was Lea."

My point being, do people actually find a lack of female characters (playable and non) in games off putting?

Should I?

I'm not a girl, maybe that's part of the problem. Perhaps I would notice it more if I was.

I play a game for the game. The characters that come up in the game are part of that experience. Male and female. Do we really need a quota for either?
Definitely not a terrible person at least. On the other hand, you aren't contributing anything to the conversation so as far as the debate is concerned you aren't really anything. My problem with the lions share of protagonists these days is that they're so damned devoid of anything interesting. I started playing watch dogs the other day and Aiden was so fucking bland I started wishing his sister was the main character, seriously. She's a way deeper, better adjusted person fhan grim voice mcsquarejaw.
I find bad writing off putting. However you'd really have to be obtuse or willfully blind to see that there's not exactly a dearth of well written, memorable, female characters in gaming. Sure, anyone responding to this could probably pull ten or so out of their ass, but it's a question of proportion, for every one female you'll have ten (if not more so) bland white guys.

It's fine to "play the game for the game," I'm certainly not doing anything else. However the characters and narrative are part of the game too, mainstream gaming hasn't been completely abut gameplay for over a decade. Context is important to, and the push for more female characters in gaming has never simply been about "filling a quota." Some games aim to reflect life in a semi realistic manner, like Tomodachi Life, its billed as the world- but yours. Now the real world has homosexual people, Tomodachi Life does not. People got angry because its a game that claims to represent life but doesn't represent them. Now the tacit statement behind that is that they don't exist in Nintendo's world. Of course that wasn't Nintendo's intent, but it's still the statement they ended up making.

I'd imagine it's much the same for women who feel unrepresented in gaming. It's not about shoehorning a character or gender select screen into every game, thats dumb. It's about creating characters that act like people, men and women. Women aren't all vapid and shallow, with sex appeal being their primary personality trait, in fact I'd say that most women aren't. So why is it that most female characters are? It's just lazy writing and casual sexism. Social issues exist everywhere whether people like it or not, that's why we call them social issues, because they occur in the broad context of society. Movies, radio, any entertainment medium that got big had to put up with these same debates before they could be taken seriously. However, gaming has become so big so fast (proportionally) that fans hear these accusations leveled against gaming and feel like they're being blindsided, responding defensively.

I don't know, I feel like the conversation is an important one, thats worth having. Because what are people afraid of really? That there'll be some actual quota for female character sin games? That "fun" will be squished under some socially progressive agenda? Ridiculous, if film can have its citizen Kane's and it's American pies, why not gaming? If developers and writers actually listen to us on this you'll get one thing, better characters. That doesn't mean there won't still be your dumb, fun, burly man games like Gears or whatever, just that you'll see a variety of perspectives on display. Not just the male one. And for fucks sake we'll have more choices, thats always a good thing right?

Oh and to all the people saying "women should just get jobs in the industry"; hey, it's a boys club right now. Of course it'd help if there were more women in development positions. There are plenty of shitty, douchebaggy reasons why thats not the case. So unless you want to talk root causes (sexism inherent in the industry) then you can fuck off the edge of my dick.

Too long, no one will read :(
 

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I kind of feel the same way the OP does. On some level, yes, I find it annoying that AC:Unity is pulling the "We can't do female assassins because it's too hard" card, which rings pretty hollow because 1.) They had female assassins in several of the previous games(Revelations and Brotherhood in paticular) and 2.) Ubisoft is a massive company which spends YEARS developing their games.

OTOH, it's hardly going to affect my decision to purchase the game one way or the other. I really like the idea of the French Revolution as a setting, but on the other hand, AC3 hasn't wowed me enough for me to actually buy it(I've heard plenty of bad things about it as well), so I'm kind of keeping a cautious eye on it. There's also the fact I'm really, really "meh" on the whole "4 player co-op" thing(and the fact they're ALL Arno just seems kind of stupid to boot). Then again, I'm really "meh" on co-op in general(it would probably help if I had 3 friends who played the AC games).

There's also the fact that "Has proper character diversity" is pretty far down my list of reason I do or do not buy a game. "Is it fun?", "Is it interesting?", "It is atmospheric?", "Is it cathartic?", "Is it funny?", "does it play well?" "Are the characters well developed?" all influence my decision to buy a game more then "Is X/Y/Z properly represented in the cast?"
 

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It is not white male privaledge; that is an uncalled for, knee-jerk reaction. You don't need to take personal offence.
Actually, it IS male privilege (I never said "white") when men are allowed to do anything they want with their lives without having to think about how it feels to be marginalized by a medium that they enjoy. Then you turn around and say that we women need to change our life paths to receive the type of treatment that men get by default? Again, that's privilege talking. You get to tell us to walk the extra 10 miles that you don't have to.

(To further clarify, "white" privilege in this situation is the luxury of not having to think about the fact that an extremely vast majority of protagonists are W.A.S.P.s. This whole argument about non-representation of women easily translates to an argument about the lack of non-caucasian protagonists. And yet, you don't see a wave of people telling non-caucasians that the only solution to their valid issue is that they need to break into the industry themselves, regardless of the cost to their livelihoods.)

You may not be part of the solution but the issue is that women en masse *choose*, of their own free will, to study humanities subjects, geography, literature, and dominate fields like nursing, primary education, midwifery, clerical/administrative and care roles. To blame men for this phenomenon is ludicrous. We as a gender have so much power that we dictate and control women's choices of career paths?
So what field did YOU study in school? Did you study in mathematics, science, engineering, or CIS? Or did you study in another field that could land you a job in the video game industry, an industry that you obviously care about? If not, then why didn't you? What compelled you to study something else? Were you simply interested in something else, or did a woman hold you back from pursing a gaming-related field of study?

Yeah, that paragraph I just wrote was intentionally ridiculous hyperbole. In no way do I expect you to answer any of those questions. But equally ridiculous is the notion that we women think that men are holding us back, forcing us to continue studying in "woman" fields. I never once said nor implied such an untruth in any of my posts, and neither have any of the women posting in this thread. We're not victims and we don't see ourselves as such. We have our lives - lives that WE chose - and we also enjoy a hobby that sometimes makes us feel like we don't exist or, perhaps worse, that our existence is profit poison and therefore needs to be removed (or, at least, covered up) in the products that our hobby's producers peddle to us.

Another thing - a lot of us women who ARE of an age where we could be in the industry grew up in times when the industry was a mere fledgling and industry-specific educational opportunities didn't exist. People laughed at you (men and women, laughing at both men and women) if you wanted to study it. During my college years, there was only a single quality video game development degree program in which one could enroll: Full Sail. However, in my college years, I was already studying film and I never heard of Full Sail until about five years after I graduated. I should also add that Avid had the only digital film editing tool at the time and it was so expensive that I learned to edit actual film. Back then, you couldn't find digital tools (gaming or otherwise) at most colleges due to cost.

I spent years of my childhood in arcades with my mom, back when Pac Man, Tron, Zaxxon, Q-Bert, and Burgertime were all the rage. Dragon's Lair was pretty cool but DAY-UM was it an expensive machine to play! She and I also battled it out many times on our Atari 2600. I got a copy of the ET game for Christmas 1982 and I loved it because I didn't know any better (I still have a soft spot in my heart for that game and my copy still works).

That also means that my parents and I lived through, and actually remember, the great video game crash. Part of my childhood coincided with the years when video games were officially declared a dead medium. Atari was in dire straights and the Famicom was months away - YEARS away for the Nintendo Entertainment System. The Commodore 64 was new, but too prohibitively expensive for most households so it wasn't much of an Atari successor. With the exception of an Atari 7800 and the whopping two games I owned for it, we were a game-free household until we got a PC in 1989 and then an SNES in '93. With only a CGA graphics card, I didn't have many games for the PC, and so I got back into gaming with the SNES when I was already halfway through high school. With video games absent for most of my childhood (both in my home and culturally) I didn't grow up with a desire to create them and, coincidentally, didn't pursue a degree that would get me into that industry... actually, I grew up wanting to create monsters for horror movies. True story.

So what am I getting at here? I'm saying that it's not as simple as "pick up your lives and switch your careers" or "you shouldn't have made the mistake of getting a degree in something that didn't get you into the video game industry." Blaming us for the current state of things is incredibly disingenuous because it doesn't take into consideration the lives we women led and what caused us to make the decisions we did. So now we do what we can to take a stand against something we feel isn't right. None of us can change our pasts or predict the future, so don't blame us for our inability to preemptively stop a problem that seems to have gotten worse in the last 10 years.

I'm just tired of the debate.
This issue has been done to death and I'm tired of it.
The solution to this is easy: stop reading about it, stop commenting on it, and leave it to those of us who DO care because it affects us directly.
 

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I'm talking on a smaller scope

if I were to make a thread raging over Ubisofts bullshit treatment of PC gamers count how many people would say my problems are insignificant, that I should shut up and that the problem is PC gamers should make their own games
 

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KingsGambit said:
This issue has been done to death and I'm tired of it.
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but youre not

you've got an axe to grind, I've got an axe to grind, the OP had an axe to grind

if you truly were you know what you'd do? you'd go and actually do something fun and productive, instead because you find this topic distasteful you INSIST on stomping into a debate on it and telling everone to shut up anf go away, its not even an argument, fuck I could respect an argument

I cannot respect those who cannot fathom why "the otherside" has an issue..and not only that but tells THEM their the entitles unreasonable ones...it fucking blows my mind it really does somone who has spend most of their life having most media with THEM in mind first and foremost telling others to stop whining and go away (not nessicaryly directed at you as I don't know your demographic)

people who don't care don't drag things out...people who find a topic benith their energy don't SPEND energy trying to convince others their "problems don't real"

so ok you give us advice? thats great..heres mine

stay out of gender threads if they upset you that much and go do something fun

see? I just saved you a hell of a headache didn't I?
 

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Ten Foot Bunny said:
(To further clarify, "white" privilege in this situation is the luxury of not having to think about the fact that an extremely vast majority of protagonists are W.A.S.P.s. This whole argument about non-representation of women easily translates to an argument about the lack of non-caucasian protagonists. And yet, you don't see a wave of people telling non-caucasians that the only solution to their valid issue is that they need to break into the industry themselves, regardless of the cost to their livelihoods.)
Just breaking in here, yes. Yes, people use the exact same rhetoric with people who are not White. It's just that the topic isn't about protagonists that are not White this time. I've also seen people say that shit to folks who want better representation for sexual minorities.
 

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Ten Foot Bunny said:
(To further clarify, "white" privilege in this situation is the luxury of not having to think about the fact that an extremely vast majority of protagonists are W.A.S.P.s. This whole argument about non-representation of women easily translates to an argument about the lack of non-caucasian protagonists. And yet, you don't see a wave of people telling non-caucasians that the only solution to their valid issue is that they need to break into the industry themselves, regardless of the cost to their livelihoods.)
Just breaking in here, yes. Yes, people use the exact same rhetoric with people who are not White. It's just that the topic isn't about protagonists that are not White this time. I've also seen people say that shit to folks who want better representation for sexual minorities.
You got me, big time. I've never seen (or didn't notice) that argument levied at non-white individuals in regard to video games, which is a perfect example of my own white privilege. Thanks for the clarification and an opportunity for self-enlightenment! ;)
 

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My point being, do people actually find a lack of female characters (playable and non) in games off putting?
they dont. if they did these games wouldnt sell.
 

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ak93]It seems that everyday people make a big deal out of gender equality in games.

Is it bad that I don't really care?

I didn't finish Mass Effect and think "Man, that game would have been better had there been more females".

Or play a chapter of The Walking Dead thinking "This would be better if Lee was Lea."

My point being, do people actually find a lack of female characters (playable and non) in games off putting?

Should I?

I'm not a girl, maybe that's part of the problem. Perhaps I would notice it more if I was.

I play a game for the game. The characters that come up in the game are part of that experience. Male and female. Do we really need a quota for either?
Not really, it's a pretty typical attitude. The problem is that like other forms of media extreme left wingers have largely taken over the gaming media, whether they see themselves that way or not, they cannot resist the temptation to turn what platform they have into a political one and try and sharpen their swords as "social justice warriors" while talking about games. As a result critics, reviews, and commentary, tend to largely involve a bunch of sheltered first world white boys, who spend most of their time immersed in geek culture as a justification for their job, telling us all about how the world worked, and oh how much better things would be if there were less people like them in games. Typically reinforced by some pie in the sky political ideal of the plight of minorities and the belief that if they were given more involvement in the media it would contribute towards making the world a better place.

Even The Escapist is not immune, and really the problem is almost everywhere. Exceptions exist, but you'll notice for example that Yahtzee goes off in his latest review about "more burly white men beating on black people", a big piece of gaming media right now has to do with the lack of playable females in Mass Effect. It was huge gaming news and a "social crusade" for the gaming media when Bioware decided they weren't going to have gay romance options in one of their games for a change, with "Watch Dogs" the review even here needed to include a pointless snarky one liner about the hero being "another generic white guy".

To be honest, I don't much care if we have female protagonists, if there are discretely presented gay romance options that I don't have to get involved in if I don't want to, or about the ethnicity of the heroes when it comes to games. I do however get annoyed by the political statements, and directing them at games, especially when it's one of the areas that actually reeks of "entitlement" as much as I hate using that word. For example, for all of it's myriad faults, Ubisoft has been one of the more diverse companies out there when it comes to making games if that matters to you, they have released Assassin's Creed games with both female and non-white protagonists, and it hasn't even been a long time, and yet they make one with white protagonists and it's considered some kind of huge affront, for which they need to defend themselves. Likewise the writers at Bioware who have no problem doing gay stuff when they think it fits, didn't really wind up writing any gays for "The Old Republic Online" and that was considered some kind of social attack, which is ironic when it's directed at the company that probably did more for bringing that stuff into gaming than anyone.

Of course understand that I'm also what passes for an "Arch Conservative" on these forums because I am not totally accepting of everything and anything. This is coming from a guy who has spent a lot of time being called a "hippy liberal" because of his sentiments on the rights of workers and other things. Of course then again it's ironic because I seem to be one of the few people that has any kind of experience on forums like these outside of a truly sheltered environment, or at least is vocal about it. Half the problem is when people think visiting other countries, or dealing with a "diverse group of people" socially makes you worldly, when really the context of those dealings matters a lot. Things like the Peace Corps. (not that many claim experience even with that) are pretty much a factory for naivity. To really see the world takes a degree of training and of course opportunity to look behind the scenes, not to mention occasionally walking into a potentially dangerous situation a few times. I find it occasionally odd to hear people talking about how the world works, when I doubt many people here have ever been in a really rowdy bar or club, never mind having to approach some dude and his friends to shut him off from a bar, or get him to leave to cool down, or dealt with shop lifters and pick pockets or whatever else.

To put things into perspective let's look at Yahtzee's comments about the shift of a game franchise to "urban domestic response" and how it involved burly white dudes going after black criminals. In selling that, how do you expect it's going to be if your trying to make it realistic? That's pretty much how things break down in real life, as unfair as it might seem. A lot of the problems come from tight, poor, ethnic communities who embrace crime. It's less ethnic than cultural, coming down to what guys like Bill Cosby have addressed with the "git rich or die trying" attitude where it's considered more noble to die face down in a ghetto with a gun in your hand and drugs in your pocket having tried to get ahead in the world outside the system, than to become a normal person. Basically being part of the top 1% or a criminal at the bottom are the only "noble" options, everything else is unworthy. It's a case where he (PHD in Children's Education, which is why I take him seriously) also talked about how even donating millions upon millions of dollars to these areas providing computers, textbooks, and every opportunity, the people will literally destroy the schools and materials because becoming education and learning to be a normal person is considered tantamount to selling out. It's not so much purely racial as it is a problem with a racial culture. The people don't have to be like that (Bill Cosby himself is something of an example) but choose to be because of how they are brought up. Now in a game about the military presumably intervening in civil matters in the US, doing the basic job intended for the the old NYPD "Street Crimes Unit" or LAPD's "CRASH teams" who do you think they are going to wind up fighting? It's like complaining that most of the bad guys in "Justified" are poor white trash and thus the show is racist when it has to do with location and context.

The irony of the above, and the real "point" is that when you see this situation reversed, you'll notice there aren't many criticisms from the gaming media. When someone has made a game like say "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" which is exactly the opposite side of the equasion the game gets critical praise which continues on to this day, where it is considered one of the best (if not THE best) installment in the franchise by many people. Furthermore the gaming industry has gone on to talk about how it was awesome for showing "what that whole lifestyle is about" and so on. While aspects of the mainstream media have been less accepting, it shows a general trend that when the equasion is reversed this is something you'll see an entirely different general trend of response in the gaming media. Likewise you'll see comments about how evil and wrong it is to say have cities and parts of other countries being invaded or leveled (OMG, how insensitive that your running around this island shooting third worlders), yet it gets cheers when you say see the same thing going on in a major American metropolis or something that's supposed to be one. As a result say "Far Cry" becomes controversial to the media, but a US based mayhem sandbox is just fine, the only thing "missing" is if we had less white people going on those chaos rampages...

This is longer than I intended it to be, but the bottom line is that despite how this sounds I generally don't care either. I find the social politics more annoying than anything. It would be nice if we could have a female or minority hero without people making a big deal about it in the gaming media, or people not making snarky comments every time you see a white dude as a game protagonist. That annoys me in both directions. As I've said many times before, I think the gaming media needs to understand it's *gaming* media, not a social justice platform for a bunch of geekdom immersed man-children to espouse ivory tower politics and act like it's some kind of huge affront that there isn't a playable female model in Assassin's Creed and that Ubisoft had to justify this decision since they were entitled to an answer, followed by "righteous" attacks for the answer, which would have happened no matter what they said. The very fact that this has become a "major" issue in gaming when nobody in their right mind should care is ridiculous.

On a final note, I'll say again, those who are crusading for "social justice" through the gaming media, should probably be on their knees, worshipping Ubisoft as their patron deity. I personally dislike them because of their business practices (which are far more important) but Ubisoft has basically been right there on the edge, pushing this kind of social agenda before it was a big thing. They are one of the companies that has had the non-white and female protaganists in their game series, and through things like the "Frag Dolls" they were promoting gaming girls and
running an all girl pro-gaming team before that was even a thing. I find this whole situation painful for that reason, I mean seriously, when they are accusing Ubisoft of being sexist and bigoted to make a point it's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. But then again I've never had a lot of respect for this movement, since all it seems to know how to do is mindlessly attack. You saw the same thing happen with Bioware over gay romances, when that was the company that arguably put them on the map for it to even be an issue to begin with... another "WTF are you thinking" movement from gaming media social justice crusaders attacking one of their best allies.
 

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I dont really care about the only thing I do for choosing to play male or female is take turns or if the games canon is male or female like in KOTOR 1 i always go male while in KOTOR2 I always go female.
 

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Blow_Pop said:
It's not that simple. Like any male dominated field, it's hard for a woman to get into and be successful into it.
But is it impossible? If the "boy's club" is as nasty as we all think it is, will they really listen to demands to level the playing field?

History is made by doing the most needlessly difficult of things. You'll accomplish more taking on a greater challenge rather than hoping for a milder one.

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And you know what? It is my fight, my personal fight too. As a man I am not as personally affected by this bullshit, but I am affected to some degree nonetheless, and I am personally offended by the bullshit. I'm offended by developers thinking so lowly of me as a man that they believe stuffing their games with lazy ass juvenile pandering will increase the likelihood of me, as part of their target demographic, buying their games, that they believe I won't notice if their stories are full of shitty, shallow, stereotypical female characters.
It's an insult to my intelligence, an insult to my maturity, an insult to my taste.

So if being "personally offended" is the criteria for you allowing people to speak or wanting them to shut up, then even by your own (awful) "rule of thumb" everyone has the right to complain about this issue, for everyone can credibly claim to be offended just like I am.
This.
 

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Kuuenbu said:
Blow_Pop said:
It's not that simple. Like any male dominated field, it's hard for a woman to get into and be successful into it.
But is it impossible? If the "boy's club" is as nasty as we all think it is, will they really listen to demands to level the playing field?

History is made by doing the most needlessly difficult of things. You'll accomplish more taking on a greater challenge rather than hoping for a milder one.
For some places? Yes. And that goes for ALL male dominated fields. If enough people complain and make their voices heard, then yes, if they know what's good for them they will listen and level the playing field. History is also full of small battles won and small accomplishments helping to fulfill a larger goal.
 

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People complaining about not having a playable character of ever race, color, sex and religion is a distraction to the main issue that the game industry has always done a piss poor job of depicting female characters. Which is more diverse?
GAME A
You play as a thick necked white soldier (only choice) who engages with an array of supporting characters who are well rounded and do not fall into the typical gaming tropes.

GAME B
You can play as any number or characters: the cool, tough, white guy; the big breasted sultry female, the rapping black guy, the stoic Russian soldier or the Arab jihadist as you take on Nazi Zombies from space.
 

LAGG

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The very idea that a video-game character made of polygons somehow "represents" me is nothing short of depressing. I can't undersand people wanting to be "represented" inside the fictional slice of video-game. You're the player, you're real instead of fictional, you have free-will instead of being pre-written by someone, you represent yourself.