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Drops a Sweet Katana

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Pinky said:
Oh come now, don't be a Dobson ... when you willfully poke a hornet nest full of morons don't play the innocent bystander card. Not the first time this happened, although I'll admit it was a bit unexpected for the Eva comics ... so I'll forgive you for those (well except for the fact that they weren't very funny).

I guess I agree that people being trollable is in and of itself funny and that making fun of that fact is very subtly different from actual trolling. You will eventually find that a large part of your audience is trollable one way or another though. So if you keep repeating the pattern you eventually run out of audience, even if you didn't mean to troll.

As I said, don't be a Dobson.
I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure the comic is referring to the whole fiasco with Pillars of Eternity. Grey and Cory have made things that have rustled jimmies in the past, but they haven't done anything recently that would have coaxed this sort of response. Plus, they've never acted like the wounded party after creating a provocative comic in the past, so I wouldn't expect it now.
 

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I'm missing some context. I get the general scope of this strip, but did something in particular inspire this, or is this just pointing out the standard issues with how people interpret art.
 

Drops a Sweet Katana

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I'm missing some context. I get the general scope of this strip, but did something in particular inspire this, or is this just pointing out the standard issues with how people interpret art.
Most likely the whole shit storm with Pillars of Eternity.
 

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Drops a Sweet Katana said:
medv4380 said:
I'm missing some context. I get the general scope of this strip, but did something in particular inspire this, or is this just pointing out the standard issues with how people interpret art.
Most likely the whole shit storm with Pillars of Eternity.
I'm still lost. Do you have a link, or a thread that details this. Up until the last few moments I'd heard nothing about Pillars of Eternity except for something about kick starter a few years back. I must have totally missed it's release due to taxes, and misc stuff.
 

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Drops a Sweet Katana said:
medv4380 said:
I'm missing some context. I get the general scope of this strip, but did something in particular inspire this, or is this just pointing out the standard issues with how people interpret art.
Most likely the whole shit storm with Pillars of Eternity.
I'm still lost. Do you have a link, or a thread that details this. Up until the last few moments I'd heard nothing about Pillars of Eternity except for something about kick starter a few years back. I must have totally missed it's release due to taxes, and misc stuff.
Fair enough. The whole fiasco started with people taking offence with a backer-written epitaph in a location of the game which read:

'Here lies Firedorn, a hero in bed.
He once was alive but now he's dead.

The last woman he bedded turned out a man
and crying with shame, off a cliff he ran.'

Certain parties took this as transmisogynistic/transphobic and kicked up a fuss about it on social media. Obsidian contacted the guy who wrote it and he agreed to rewrite it to save the guys at Obsidian the headache. The limerick now reads:

'Here lies Firedorn, a bard, a poet.

He was also a card, but most did not know it.

A poem he wrote in jest was misread.

They asked for blood and now he is dead.'

That's the long and short of it. Hope that helps.
 

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The Wooster said:
A comic strip you don't like =/= a comic strip designed to offend you.
No, but making a strip as a callback to one of yours that did evoke offense (unintended or not), and then calling out those offended in analogy as a punchline kinda disproves that. Eliminate the prior outrage and the joke is lost.

And frankly, that's PERFECTLY FINE; Jokes can step on toes because comedy is irreverent.

But please, don't pretend you've never called upon prior outrage as a source of comedic material, or never written to provoke.
And I say that because I *LIKE* your comic. I like it, because it has the stones to mock gaming's more stupid elements, and especially its petty insecurities.
 

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Ammunition

We make bullets for idiots.

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A comic that's short, to the point, and it's message is easy to understand. I like it. Crazy, isn't it? Also, if YOU make the bullets...who makes the gun? Are they just throwing the bullets at each other?
 

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This is about that Pillars of Eternity poem?

Well, when it feels like hatred is leveled at you because of your lifestyle, and/or who you are things seem a lot different than when you're not the target. That's about all I have to say on it.
 

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Wow...

...Normally with comics and stuff like this, I have a light, satisfactory luagh at, even if the tone is kinda stoic like this one. "Hah, hah, so true!" I'd say. "Ha, hah, you tell 'em Grey and Cory!". But this one, I couldn't. Maybe it's the sudden change in artstyle, maybe it's because I actually know an artist friend whose subject matter most would call "disreputable" or maybe it's because I've just been growing more and more bitter and jaded at general populous of the internet over the years... but this one was a real bummer.

Very blunt, very true, but a bummer. That's not a bad thing, I just wanted to state how I felt about the comic is all. According to it, we don't do that as often as we should.

Drops a Sweet Katana said:
Fair enough. The whole fiasco started with people taking offence with a backer-written epitaph in a location of the game which read:

'Here lies Firedorn, a hero in bed.
He once was alive but now he's dead.

The last woman he bedded turned out a man
and crying with shame, off a cliff he ran.'

Certain parties took this as transmisogynistic/transphobic and kicked up a fuss about it on social media. Obsidian contacted the guy who wrote it and he agreed to rewrite it to save the guys at Obsidian the headache. The limerick now reads:

'Here lies Firedorn, a bard, a poet.

He was also a card, but most did not know it.

A poem he wrote in jest was misread.

They asked for blood and now he is dead.'

That's the long and short of it. Hope that helps.
Well, at least this put me in better spirits.

Not sure what it says about me that the "revision" put a huge smile on my face, but either way, clever stuff.

EDIT*
Even if this isn't why the comic was made, out of pure curiosity I read up on the PoE thing. People boycotted the game for caving to pressure?? THAT'S what "caving" looks like?!

But it-- I mean it clearly takes sho-- I-if you would just re-- I don't underst--.... WELL WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT?! My bad mood is back!
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Evil Smurf said:
The MRA rebranded themselves
<spoiler=look>http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/20/24E0017D00000578-2918591-image-a-8_1421773272301.jpg
They really should've chosen something that wasn't already a religion. And didn't sound completely stupid.
Evil Smurf said:
MarsAtlas said:
Evil Smurf said:
The MRA rebranded themselves
<spoiler=look>http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/20/24E0017D00000578-2918591-image-a-8_1421773272301.jpg
They really should've chosen something that wasn't already a religion. And didn't sound completely stupid.
It's charming how dumb it is.
As far as I could tell, the word Meninist was coined to show just how ridiculous it is to claim to be for equality when using gendered terms to describe yourself and others. Such as Feminism being for all that is good and Patriarchy for all that is bad.

As with all jokes though, some people take them seriously and run with it. See: Bronies.
 

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Teoes said:
I was expecting this to be much more of a jimmy-rustler than it seems to be, but then I've not been getting my panties twisted over these recent artroversies.

Me likey.
The funny this is, the people who should have their jimmies rustled probably don't even think it's about them and it's about the "other" side. Lack of self-awareness and self-reflection.
 

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For me this was about the AMD comic he did with Erin Dies Alone which was the one time in my life I didn't want to date Erin (fun fact: my odds of dating Erin are the same as my odds of dating an actual woman).
 

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I personally don?t think there?s anything wrong with getting mad at the ridiculous outrage culture thats all too common on the internet, but I do agree that you should be careful not to turn the thing you are fighting for into ammunition.
 

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themilo504 said:
I personally don?t think there?s anything wrong with getting mad at the ridiculous outrage culture thats all too common on the internet, but I do agree that you should be careful not to turn the thing you are fighting for into ammunition.
Yeah the problem is that when you say ridiculous outrage nowadays, I need to ask "Which one".
 

Teoes

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themilo504 said:
I personally don?t think there?s anything wrong with getting mad at the ridiculous outrage culture thats all too common on the internet, but I do agree that you should be careful not to turn the thing you are fighting for into ammunition.
Yeah the problem is that when you say ridiculous outrage nowadays, I need to ask "Which one".
I'm outraged that people get outraged in response to those who are outraged at the initial outrage.
 

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Teoes said:
erttheking said:
themilo504 said:
I personally don?t think there?s anything wrong with getting mad at the ridiculous outrage culture thats all too common on the internet, but I do agree that you should be careful not to turn the thing you are fighting for into ammunition.
Yeah the problem is that when you say ridiculous outrage nowadays, I need to ask "Which one".
I'm outraged that people get outraged in response to those who are outraged at the initial outrage.
Don't know if I'd call the second stage "outrage". It typically follows this sort of formula

<Tumblr/Twitter Complaints>

"Another group overreacting. , don't feel the need to change your work. Those who are upset are either taking it well out of context and/or wouldn't purchase your product anyway."

<Artist Acknowledges complaints via Tumblr/Twitter>

"Please don't listen to them. Your art is fine, the significant majority of people who enjoy your product like it for how it is."



"Oh come on!"