An 8-year old wants Gears of War 2

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i firmly believe that video games dont make people violent, and an eight year old child playing an M (17+ from american esrb rating) rated game wont do any real damage.

HOWEVER!

that doesnt mean they should be allowed to play these games. the ratings exist for a reason. bending the rules by a year or two is ok, but even though it wont actually cause violence, an eight year old will probably still do some kind of imitation. think of a kid trying to imitate the hot coffee mod...

one problem is that parents only care about the first highest rating above their kids. its like "i cant get you shadow the hedgehog because its rated 10+ and your only eight, so i will buy you halo (completely ignoring the big M on the front) just so you can SHUT UP!"

by the way i think that bending the rules by maybe a year or two is ok, and by the time they are about fourteen then they should have pretty sound judgment and be able to play m rated games. but anyone younger then nine shouldnt play 10+ games, but maybe this is influenced by the fact that i hate kids so very very much. i cant stand those whiny yourmom-y little things playing halo.

also, i know shadow the hedgehog is an old game, but its the only one that i know has an e10 rating, so dont ask, and i also thought it sucked.
 

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An 8 year old was buying GOW2?
Great, and easy kill online.

Seriously though, something needs to be done.
 

Blind Punk Riot

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Turn off the news! Its telling your kids about the war in Iraq and other such naughty bad things.


But atleast they can't control a soldier on the news.
Pow Pow Pow, lets get the chainsaw out of the shed and re-enact a scene from gears of war!

Parents choice


And parents are mainly bad parents. Which is why the kids are bad.
Wave goodbye to society, it will only get slowly worse. And I doubt that computer games are the main cause, if one at all.
 

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I really feel sorry for any 8 year old that successfully convinces their parents to buy Gears 2 for them. Kids are really impressionable at that age and when he grows up all he's going to know is horrible dialogue by half-interested voice actors and plotlines that even Michael Bay would roll his eyes at.
 

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At the Gamestop nearest to me there is a girl there that will tell the parent whats actually in the game and she stopped a parent from buying her kid "God of War".
 

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It's all fine and well for individuals to say that they personally weren't negatively affected by there experiences, thumbs up to you for being a good member of society. But it's an awfully subjective arguement that can't be validly applied to all children. You're saying that your past experience makes the whole age thing a bag of hot air, while this case tells us that it's more than a good idea to restrict sales.
Police said that the motive was robbery, however he killed his friend. Who in their right mind would do that?
Rockstar said that the game was aimed at mature audiences. Well, perhaps 14 isn't the right age to be presented with 18-rated games.

Some countries ban the general possesion and sale of firearms. Not because the majority of the populus will rob convenience stores and go on murder sprees, but because there is that dangerous minority who are a risk. One system has apply to everyone.
 

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RedForceRanger said:
Bob_F_It said:
I was taking a look through Gamestation today and yes, and 8-year old kid is telling his mum to buy Gears of War 2 for him. It's got a fricking 18 rating on it! I didn't hang about for the conclusion of whether the mother would give a yes or no (there certainly wasn't an immediate no), but given the influence of pester power there must exist a fair number of parents who would buy it for their children.
What came to my mind is just how does that kid know he wants that game? It's not exactly pretty box art for someone that young, so I'm guessing he probably played the first one. Wait, what?

Perhaps I'm assuming too much at this point, but considering how much the press bitches about this, they might have a bit of weight behind them here.
No, games do not need toning down. What needs to happen is that the parents have to be told what potential content there is within games, and what the ratings mean. I've heard some parents actually believe that the numbers refer to the difficulty of the games. Someone smack some sense into them!

I dont see whats wrong with that to be honest, i mean enough little girls play with toy slags like barbie but that doesnt mean there going to go and get knocked up and when i was little i would play with toy guns and things as would many yound boys. I dont see the differance between a plastic replica and a compuer generated replica?
That's the best point I've EVER heard on this subject. Kudos.
 

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the kid most likely had a relative who had it and played it with him or played it at a friends house but i think its awsome that some little kid would want to risk trauma by playing such a voilent and bloody game it should have funny results
 

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I think if a kid wants an 18 game, probably one of the tamer ones he's gonna pick up is gears of War 2. There's some blood, gore and swearing, but the gore is no more scary than Itchy and Scratchy, and the swearing is equivelant to many things on past 9pm which they're bound to have seen anyway. the ony reason this is truelly annoying is that we have to put up with him on Xbox Live. As you can probably tell, I feel we should be more liberal with gaming classifications and censorship. I grew up watching the occasional 18 film (I remember Alien 3 from when I was 8) and playing Loaded on the Saturn, which was an 18 game, when I was 10. As far as I can see, there's nothing wtrong with me. This in my view means that anyone can play an 18 game and not get their head mixed up all full of guns tits and naughty words. If this happens, its their own fault, or their parents fault. Or the teachers. Or the government. Or God. Or Jack Bauer.
 

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jebussaves88 said:
I think if a kid wants an 18 game, probably one of the tamer ones he's gonna pick up is gears of War 2. There's some blood, gore and swearing, but the gore is no more scary than Itchy and Scratchy, and the swearing is equivelant to many things on past 9pm which they're bound to have seen anyway. the ony reason this is truelly annoying is that we have to put up with him on Xbox Live. As you can probably tell, I feel we should be more liberal with gaming classifications and censorship. I grew up watching the occasional 18 film (I remember Alien 3 from when I was 8) and playing Loaded on the Saturn, which was an 18 game, when I was 10. As far as I can see, there's nothing wtrong with me. This in my view means that anyone can play an 18 game and not get their head mixed up all full of guns tits and naughty words. If this happens, its their own fault, or their parents fault. Or the teachers. Or the government. Or God. Or Jack Bauer.
Again, entirely subjective case.
 

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I think another issue here is that a disturbing number of parents aren't even aware that games have ratings. They just assume that games are for kids. Take a story I have, and tell pretty often to prove my point on the subject. I was at Wal-Mart to pick up some things and decided to browse the electronics while I was there. There was a kid who looked about eight or so and he wanted God of War. So his mom called the employee over and pointed to God of War. The employee said "Er...is this for him, ma'am? Because I'd really suggest not getting it for him..." Her son started pitching a fit and she said "Oh just get it already" in a very stuck-up 'I'm better than you because you work at Wal-Mart and I have a severe case of Richbitchitis' tone. He said "It is rated M, for 17 and up. It is like the game version of the R rating." She said "Oh bullshit. It is just a video game. It is a toy for children, it can't be THAT bad." He said "Well, I have it and it contains a lot of violence and gore, as well as sex and nudity." She says "I don't believe you. It is a VIDEO GAME! They wouldn't put that stuff in it, it is supposed to be for kids. Now give me the goddamn game or I'm going to get a manager." The employee said "Ma'am, it is called 'God of War,' do you honestly think it is for children?" At which point she proceeded to cuss him out and demanded a manager. I left at this point because if I had to listen to this condescending, stuck-up, ignorant ***** and her crying banshee of a child any longer I would have had the urge to find a box cutter and end my life.
A better way to end your life would be to kill her and and have wal-mart security or the cops kill you.......Just saying
Some countries ban the general possesion and sale of firearms. Not because the majority of the populus will rob convenience stores and go on murder sprees, but because there is that dangerous minority who are a risk. One system has apply to everyone.
The percentage of people who are going to commit gun crimes is higher than the percent of people who are going to commit crimes over R rated games by a very very great degree
 

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Games are for kids. Cutting people up with chainsaws and having their guts spluttered onto your screen is just like Lego for today's generation of kids. Where have you been for the last 10 years?
 

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mike1921 said:
Some countries ban the general possesion and sale of firearms. Not because the majority of the populus will rob convenience stores and go on murder sprees, but because there is that dangerous minority who are a risk. One system has apply to everyone.
The percentage of people who are going to commit gun crimes is higher than the percent of people who are going to commit crimes over R rated games by a very very great degree
We're not talking about people in general playing violent games, just the kids still growing up. Do you have a sizable snapshot of that demographic?
 

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Are you serious? You seriously need evidence that there is more gun crime than violant crimes from kids who played M rated games?
 

Bob_F_It

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Not the volume of crimes, the proportion.
Facts on gun crime
USA: 12.8% of people possess a firearm (population of 301 million, 2.61 per household). 100 firearm related manslaughers/murders per million. That's just deaths.
Now what's the proportion of young children playing M/18 rated games (just in case you're about to forget again) that go on to commit violent crimes?
EDIT: And not more, an unacceptable level.