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PizzaTheHutt

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solidstatemind said:
Enough with Scott Pilgrim, Bob.

Was it a little different? Sure. Was it geek-tastic? Sure. Was it an exceptional example of cinema?

Fuck No!

I'm sorry that so many geeks feel like it was somehow transcendent. The truth is that it actually didn't introduce anything new-- it only exchanged old '60s Batman 'action balloons' (BIFF! BAM!) for higher rez events like coin drops.

Not anywhere near as revolutionary as you would seem to want to make it out to be.

Michael Cera can only play a twerp. The plot was straight out of geek fapping-fantasies, and you think it deserves any sort of credit?

Bob? It's time to get out of your mom's basement, put on 'big boy' pants, and realize that, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop evangelizing for Geek fanservice crap like 'Scott Pilgrim vs. the World'
Finally someone else who recognizes how that movie, that while nice in its directing style, is a pile of geek fantasy fulfillment and brings nothing unique at all in terms of story or writing.

I'm really only upset at how Chris Nolan isn't getting nominated for Inception on Best Director despite it being entirely driven by his ability as a director. And yeah The Kings Speech while a beautifully written movie was in-genuine oscar bait for sure. Ive honestly stopped caring about The Academy's decisions because they cater way to much to acting and not enough to technique.
Although I do hope Inception gets best editing.
 

Reaper69lol

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The fact that Daft Punk got denied their chance at the best score makes me loose my faith in humanity even more.
 

beema

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Jeeze Bob, want to dump on the King's Speech anymore? I don't know what you hate so much about it, but I thought it was a fantastic film, probably the best I've seen all year next to Inception. You know, I actually went in to see it thinking like you, rolling my eyes and saying "oh boy, yet another movie tailor-made for an oscar, this is going to be so lame." But my mind was completely changed only a short way in. It had a lot of emotional richness and great acting, plus it was kind of educational (something I always appreciate). It was probably the first role I've seen Helena Bonham Carter in where I didn't want to strangle her.
Granted, I haven't seen all of these nominees, so I might like another one better (hell, I haven't even heard of a bunch of them).

Total complete bullshit that Nolan isn't up for best director. However, the Oscars have a long tradition of completely snubbing Sci-Fi, don't they? Not terribly surprising.

On the other hand, I'm glad they are snubbing all aspects of Tron. That movie was a filthy piece of crap in every manner, and deserves a quick fiery death. I don't think Daft Punk's score was original at all, either.
 

KO4U

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Winters Bone is a surprise, but I want to see more films from the first half of the year on the nominations list.

Where's Greenberg!!!!
 

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obisean said:
Decabo said:
Personally, I think James Franco deserves the Best Actor Oscar for 127 Hours, since Colin Firth's role didn't seem to far away from how he acts normally, minus the stammer. I'd like to see Firth try to act out cutting his own arm off.
Though I do agree with you to a point, but as Bob said, Firth is due. Sure Firth delivers in every performance and it's easy to overlook it simply cause he will do it again, but you run into the problem that Peter O'Toole had. Quoting Wikipedia here:

Peter O'Toole holds the record for having the most Oscar nominations (8 for Best Actor) without ever winning a competitive acting award. He was given an Honorary Award in 2002.
O'Toole is considered one of the best actors that ever lived, and yet received precisely 0 Oscars because he, "Will just do it again in his next movie and we can give it to him for that one if nobody else had a, not necessarily better, but breakout role."

To be fair, I've yet to see 127 hours, so I pass no judgement onto Franco. I just hate the "But X had the role of their lifetime and deserves it over Y" argument just because X is up against a Y that constantly delivers good performances.
I never said that Firth would just do it over and over again, what I meant was I don't think Firth had to be that out of character for his role. Franco, on the other hand, played a very unusual role that I personally think deserves more credit.
 

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MovieBob said:
sosolidshoe said:
Sorry chief but, to me, the story of a man compelled against his will to take a leadership position out of a sense of duty, and overcoming great personal issues to do so, is a more human and emotive story than a few arsehole businessmen and college students having a wank over a pile of money and congratulating themselves on how amazing they are, which is what TSN amounted to.

Why is it that any film which does well in Oscar nominations, but isn't a rank outsider in terms of genre, or full of unknown actors, is treated as if that fact alone has an impact on how good it is? Load of hipster bollocks, if you ask me :p
RE: "Oscar Bait" - if you haven't yet watched this, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhrz1-4hN4


As regards the specific films in question... Naturally, it can't be seriously argued that the story in TKS - monarchs, royal sucession, World War II, overcoming disability, etc - is on it's face more interesting, human and even "important" than TSN's story of a handful of Harvard brats suing eachother over who invented what part of a website. But, to borrow a quote from Roger Ebert: Movies are not about what they are about but HOW they are about it. It's "in the telling," in other words.

Speaking only for myself, I thought TKS was a perfectly adequate movie; but also a decidedly unambitious and "boilerplate" one. No, not everything needs to reinvent the wheel - but by the same token not every wheel that comes off the assembly line is getting displayed in the Smithsonian. From the moment I first became aware of the film (and I mean prior to seeing even a trailer) I already knew more-or-less the exact movie to expect: Firth all clipped and mannered, Rush "zany" with private pain, constant hammering on British! Class! Differences!, the obligatory "ho-ho! That's so funny now!" jabs at hilariously-incorrect old-time medical advice, comic-relief "funny therapy" sequence ("LOLZ! He is cursing awkwardly!") the mandatory family structure (stern disapproving dad, cool-yet-callous brother, quietly-strong wife, unknowingly-insightful moppet children, etc) the poor-guy-oversteps/rich-guy-overreacts "breakup" scene, "b-b-but y-your majesty... he is... A POOR!" "Silence! He is my bestest buddy, class differences be damned!", the autumnal/washed-out contrasting color palette cinematography; right down to the impressively pretzel the narrative twists itself into in order to add dramatic-heft by making it seem as though "The Speech" is Bertie Versus Hitler: SHOWDOWN!!!" There's not really a single moment in it that breaks out of Historical Biopic 101. Again, IMHO.

On the flipside, TSN uses a slew of unexpected and/or unconventional narrative and visual techniques in order to tell it's story. The multi-layered lawsuit-upon-lawsuit flashback-structure most obviously; but also the editing, composition of scenes and even use of color. Most "techie" stories use heavy-lighting and "digital-looking" colors; this one goes for deep shadows and rich, aged tones to convey the "bigness" of what's actually going on - it's a movie about making a website that "looks" like a movie about building a Mafia Empire. Or the sequence with the boat race, using the "miniaturization-focus" camera trick to emphasize the idea of the "Old Money World" of the Winklevoss Twins being reduced in the face of the enroaching "New Money World" represented by Zuckerberg etc. There's more narrative/visual invention in the way Fincher executes the "simple" first-act scene of Jesse Eisenberg copy-pasting JPGs into Facesmash than there is in almost any of the other nominated films this year. For me, that's the difference.
Sorry but TKS does actually break out of Historical 101 by actually mentioning Stanley Baldwin who got Britain on the path of Appeasement although Ramsay Macdonald should be blamed more.

Still it is nice to see people know it wasn't just Churchill who gave out hope.

I agree with your view on TSN with the Winklevoss' and Zuckerberg as Old money VS New money with some people siding with Mark as in Harvard Dean refusing to do anything once they mention family connections and also the audience including myself actually supported Zuckerberg until he screwed his friend over.

Going off topic slightly but was it just me or were the Winklevoss' the douchiest pair of twins ever? I mean they don't patent anything or make Mark sign a contract saying the idea is their's and when Eduardo even dared to say that Mark probably shouldn't be bound by the silent agreement (which is the old money way of agreeing while new money way is having everything signed twice) they just go 'Shut up you don't even matter with Facebook.' Yeah guys. Go and damage the idea of co-ordinating the cases and tempt Eduardo into settling with Mark and letting him massacre the Twins.