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Ultratwinkie said:
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The PS2 is a relic, a outdated big box that shouldn't have heat issues. The same with GTA III.
In 5 years, I wonder if you will not have issues with Skyrim on your mobile? GTA 3 on a 5" cell phone looks pretty special.

I will concede, I think PCs are held back by consoles. I'd love to see games that take advantage of all a PC can do.

I said GRAPHICS CARDS.
I HEARD YOU!!! YOUR TYPING CARRIES!!!

Sound cards are useless without a GPU. Even then sound
cards are a bit of a joke unless you are an audiophile.
That's kind of my point: unless you are into pushing the tech to it's limits (and, sigh, sometimes I am) HD 4000, built into the chip, can be pretty good even for current games. Grahpics cards for the masses may soon be as obselete as a sound card is, except for audiophiles (you got me. I am looking into getting one of them. I am an idiot but I can't help it. I love my toys.)

and third, why bother making mobile devices IMMOBILE to do things a computer can? relying on TV when the internet is making people cut the cord?
Versatility. I love my pad. My wife can watch the Patriots American Football, while I watch netflix or game on my Droid. Game over? Hook my phone to the TV and watch Netflix (though, Netflix is already on many TVs with their own OS). Time to stop watching? Disconnect my phone and use it for those mobile purposes again.

But the phone is less important than the OS itself. Is it possible, in the near future, that my 120" OLED will have Android built into it? If so... holy @$#@
That's with future processing power, and we are unsure just how costly it is.

We are at 4 cores now, but we also have 8 and 16 cores. Judging from prices of the GPUs, those wont be viable for mobiles in a while.

Unless they can make bog standard parts out of it, it isn't going into a phone. This is also assuming rock's law doesn't stop us right in our tracks right there.
Actually, we know exactly how much it will cost: half as much every year for an equivalent level of power, or twice as powerful every year for the same price. It's called <link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law>Moore's Law, dude.
 

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Well, I think you're being unfair here. You act like you think cell phones should be all about convenience and that they should fit into your pocket. The future isn't making things smaller and easier to use. I swear, in 10 or 15 years we will be carrying cell phones in a suitcase with wheel in order to always have a complete gaming system with 5 wires to various external components.
Well that defeats the point of a mobile device then. And I think that Windows Phone 8 has a good interface. I'm tired of seeing the iOS/Android style of tile arrangements...[/quote]

OK, why does no-one seem to understand that I am being sarcastic when I say that the future is to carry around your phone in a suitcase? I thought I was being fairly obvious here.

As for Windows Phone and looks I agree, it looks awesome. As for Windows phone and functionality I have been struggling with my mom's phone a lot. Sending files through Bluetooth is impossible, customizing ringtones is a hassle and you need to use Zune software and you're limited to 40 seconds, getting a custom text message sound proved to be impossible at the time, but it might come in an update. Finding a picture and downloading it through the phone's browser seems impossible and I tried that for 5 minutes before I tried downloading it using my phone (Nokia with Symbian). I touched the image got the choice to download and I downloaded it. Windows phone 8 got the looks and it got a few awesome functions, but there's just so much that I could do better on the phone I bought in 2006. It seems to be an OS set 10 years ago that claims to be the future.
 

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We're already pretty much at our limit as far as transistor size on 2 d space with the current lithography we have. That and the smaller you go the science we have breaks down as far as stuff to do with electrons go which is why Quantum physics is used at that stage.
The entire reason transistors even work in the first place is wacky quantum mechanical effects. Without quantum physics, we wouldn't have modern electronics. But yes, my love of pedantry aside, the smaller the scale, the more undesired wacky quantum effects there are, which is really getting to be a problem that's more and more expensive to solve with each die-shrink.
 

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Phones will soon catch up with this generation of consoles, probably in the next 12-18 months. Take the Vita for example, it is very close to the current console in graphics and gameplay performance,

The PS Vita uses a pair of what are essentially smartphone processors, The Vita was also built to a budget so consumers get it at a £200 price point. Apple, Samsung and HTC are not as constrained budget wise, they will build a £500+ device knowing it will sell better than hot cakes. It wont be long until phones easily outperform the Vita and current consoles.

The jump in processing power in smartphones is a good example, compare the processing power of the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5 and the Samsung Galaxy S2 to the galaxy S3. There was a significant increase, the same goes for the HTX One X. The next generation of phones will have the same jump in power.
 

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I like the fact that most people here are sceptical about projecting current trends into the future - a big mistake often made in bad science fiction.
However, I think the OP has a point here. Allow me to explain.

The obvious mistake to make here is to confuse the rise of tablets and touch with the future. This is the mistake Microsoft has made with Windows 8. While the tablet market is still growing, tablets can never do what desktops can. However, this depends on the definition of "tablet" and "desktop". The desktop as the concept of a big screen, mouse and keyboard isn't going to disappear. Tablets as the concept of a "small screen with touch input" cannot offer the functionality of a desktop. Touch is inconvenient rather than convenient for many tasks. Touch is not the future per se.
Note how my definition of desktop did not actually include the desktop itself, as defined by a full (or midi) tower PC. I think it's quite likely that these machines will start to disappear, possibly with a few exceptions but I'm not even sure about that.
Think about it. We can be pretty sure that tablets will be as powerful as desktop PCs are now within 5 years (possibly even less), at least in CPU performance. Now think about connecting the tablet to mouse and keyboard and the screen. I expect this to be possible by using but one connection within 5 years as well (Thunderbolt, though expensive at the moment, is already capable of doing so). You can connect the tablet at home to your "desktop", work on a report or excel sheet, save your files, take the tablet with you in the train to work and play angry birds, check your email &c., then connect the tablet to your desktop environment at work. No synchronisation is necessary, all files are accessible and available everywhere and at all times &c.

There is but one issue here, as noted by most other contributors: tablets aren't as powerful as PCs and they never will be due to heat issues &c. That is definitely true, certainly in the case of the technology we currently use. But it need not be a problem.
I'm the "guy who is good with computers" so my family and friends come to me when they need a problem solved or when they need advice on what computer or component to buy. I check hardware sites every day and am generally rather well aware of what is going on.
I'll tell you what is going on, at least in the CPU area: performance has become "sufficient". It simply has become good enough. Even hardware websites now say so. Recently, an article stated that (translating here) "A modern PC has (more than) enough computing power for all possible tasks and since the advent of the SSD there isn't really any bottleneck anymore which needs to be improved". That's a hardware website, specialised in computer hardware. They write reviews about new hardware for a living. And they have to admit that it doesn't really matter anymore what you buy when it comes to CPU performance.

They're not alone. Intel, for the first time ever as far as I can tell, has recently decided to use the new production process (22 nm) for a reduction in power consumption rather than use it to increase performance. TDP went down from 95 watt to 77 watt for their top range CPUs.

Similarly, enthusiasts start building more and more micro-ATX or even mini-ATX PCs. Full towers become increasingly rare. I bought a cheap $60 AMD CPU (alternatively one might buy an Intel Pentium) and the thing is: I haven't noticed a difference with my old $280 i7 860, and I've never felt either CPU fell short. We're talking about a 3 year old CPU and an extremely cheap half year old CPU here.

This means that tablets will be "fast enough" within 5 years. For consumers that is, some tasks obviously still require a lot of computing power. But we have supercomputers for that. Number crunching in excel or SPSS or Stata, encryption and converting video formats can all be done sufficiently fast on a tablet in 5 years.
The only exception are GPUs and, consequently, GPU intensive tasks. Even today's GPUs often lack the power to play games at high resolutions with all effects enabled. Whereas upgrading a CPU isn't very useful in most cases, upgrading a GPU is almost always beneficial. The top range cards also consume 200 watt or more. You won't find similar performance in tablets anytime soon, and when the time has come it won't be enough. However, modular GPUs are a technical possibility with thunderbolt. It's definitely possible to have a modular GPU provide the required performance to a tablet in 5 years. Then it's also possible to do rendering &c. while using a tablet as main computer.

Technically, it's perfectly possible to have tablets replace the desktop TOWER in 5 years. Of course, whether it will be possible to consumers to do so is dubious, since it requires companies to make the required components. The problem is that this requires the cooperation and integration of many technologies. The OS (in this case Android) would have to support modular GPUs and would have to offer much more functionality, modular GPUs have to be produced and an integration of screen, mouse and keyboard with a tablet has to be possible (which requires both hardware and software support). At the same time, any one of these improvements separately doesn't offer any benefits, so there has to be a company to take charge and get things done. This could be Apple or Google.
(Yes, I expect Microsoft to play no role in this, ironically by making the switch to an integration of mobile OS and desktop OS based on the ridiculous assumption that touch is the future).
 

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I don't think it is. OP, you're comparing apples to oranges here. There's no way that Android will have the capabilities of a Windows/Linux/Mac desktop at this point unless Google begins to develop Android for desktops.
Prettymuch this. I highly doubt that Google will develop Android for a PC.
While I agree with you... I don't see Android being full-on desktop OS material... Android essentially is Linux, and Linux (comes as a) fully-blown OS for desktops... Although I'm sure Google have plans for such an event (yeah, sure, the market is dying... slowly... But there's still the chance of revival)

Either way, they wouldn't have made the Chromebooks for any reason other than testing the waters for such an endeavour...

Still, while I'd love to see Android for PC, I don't see it happening any further than what Google already have in the Chromebook... (Although since we're talking Linux here, it's basically already been done)
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.

Its a bad idea. Its always been a bad idea.
Hey now, I loathe Apple's guts as much as the next guy, but they are technical pioneers. There are massive advances in the computing field that are present due to their input.

It isn't their R&D department that is at fault for their marketing gurus milking the standard Iphone for every last scrap of potential it no longer has, or their legal department trying to patent everything from the shape of a box to oxygen.
 

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Uh.. what? What games work with Android?
The best ever was Onlive, which is dead. They were a browser based App that you could play just about anything upon.

My latest download is GTA 3 which is running very well. Problem is getting used to touch controls. But I've hooked up Android tablets to the 55" LED and a wireless controller, and it was a lot like playing on any console.
Posted previously:

Things may look a little like this:
and games already look like this

 

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Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
 

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The Future sounds even closer now: Onlive is coming back and will be on google tv and LG TVs, built into the system!!!


And the Ouya isn't even out yet!
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

Ultratwinkie said:
Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
One, I am talking about actual hardware. Not software.

Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
Who said anything about forcing the market to do things? There's clearly a demand for docking stations and keyboard/mouse attachments for tablets, and there's clearly a supply of them as well. Market pressure, combined with some practically guaranteed advances in processing power and miniaturization are all that's needed for a future where your phone is also your desktop to happen. Just because you can't or stubbornly won't see it doesn't make it not true.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
One, I am talking about actual hardware. Not software.

Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
Who said anything about forcing the market to do things? There's clearly a demand for docking stations and keyboard/mouse attachments for tablets, and there's clearly a supply of them as well. Market pressure, combined with some practically guaranteed advances in processing power and miniaturization are all that's needed for a future where you're phone is also your desktop to happen. Just because you can't or stubbornly won't see it doesn't make it not true.
Its up, like, a page. A guy said that google or apple would force the hardware market to make tablets the NEW desktops by making taking desktop parts and connecting them to the tablet.

Why would anyone choose a make shift tablet set up? To attach all these cards and boxes to a tablet to be a desktop? Why make it immobile? All it does is force a choke point when there is no need for one.

Its a HUGE investment, for something NO ONE wants.

People don't buy tablets to replace the desktop's role. They buy them to fulfill their OWN role.People don't WANT to make tablet gaming like an assassin putting together a damn sniper rifle.

Its a lot of money for something the market never really wanted or needed.
I went up and read it, and once again, you're being needlessly obtuse. He wasn't saying anyone was going to force anything. He was saying that whatever company makes the first modular GPU that can connect to a tablet would probably have to make the tablet itself, as well. Once they do that, if it's a workable idea, other companies will follow suit. Although personally I don't think that'll be necessary unless this shift starts in the next five years, instead of the 10-20 I was thinking of. You keep hammering on about how the consoles are outdated, and therefore it's not really impressive that tablets are already equivalent in power to them, but we're talking about seven years here to get high end graphical performance down to that commodity level you love to scoff at. That's not a lot of time, especially because we really are hitting a point where, while there is plenty of room for graphics to improve, they are most definitely "good enough" as far as the vast majority of people are concerned. Heck, we've been there since the PS2 launched. That means we're well in the realm of diminishing returns here. 10, 20 years down the road, is it really gonna matter that a desktop can put out Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children level graphics, while your phone is already putting out, say, Finding Nemo level graphics? And I do mean graphics, not art style.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
One, I am talking about actual hardware. Not software.

Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
Who said anything about forcing the market to do things? There's clearly a demand for docking stations and keyboard/mouse attachments for tablets, and there's clearly a supply of them as well. Market pressure, combined with some practically guaranteed advances in processing power and miniaturization are all that's needed for a future where you're phone is also your desktop to happen. Just because you can't or stubbornly won't see it doesn't make it not true.
Its up, like, a page. A guy said that google or apple would force the hardware market to make tablets the NEW desktops by making taking desktop parts and connecting them to the tablet.

Why would anyone choose a make shift tablet set up? To attach all these cards and boxes to a tablet to be a desktop? Why make it immobile? All it does is force a choke point when there is no need for one.

Its a HUGE investment, for something NO ONE wants.

People don't buy tablets to replace the desktop's role. They buy them to fulfill their OWN role.People don't WANT to make tablet gaming like an assassin putting together a damn sniper rifle.

Its a lot of money for something the market never really wanted or needed.
Google or Apple need force nothing, these things already exist. Both Lenovo and ASUS are selling tablet hybrids that pack low power versions of core i5 and i7 CPUs. They are 2-3mm (folded) bulkier than a tablet thats all.

They are the best of both worlds, a tablet that is better for productivity but the convenience and portability of tablet. The keyboard simply folds behind the screen, no crappy attachments needed. They outperform tablets by a huge degree as well. Currently these things are running on Windows 8, Google already have tablets built for them by ASUS so why not have them build Android powered hybrids?

You seem truly unaware in how rapidly portable hardware is catching up. Laptops have caught up desktops and the laptops and tablets are merging into a single device. Dedicated gaming hybrids will be next with the rapid development in low power multicore GPUs like the ones developed by PowerVR.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

Ultratwinkie said:
Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
The entire argument started over how tablets can have attachments which turns it into the "new desktop."

A flawed idea on multiple fronts. It has to be in the main design, or it won't work. External parts like GPUs on a wireless connection would be nothing but headaches if it even works at any capacity. The OS never came into it.

Even then, the OS would be bogged down, since desktops are MS,mac, and Linux country. Well known, big market share holders.

Practically everyone falls into one of these three groups for their needs. Google has a habit of joining in too late, it will end up like Google Plus with almost no one using it.

The only way for a Google OS to work is for it to offer something the other 3 can't.
Actually, there's two things people are arguing for here: one is the completely modular system, which includes an external GPU. The other is a system where all the processing power is already on board, with the extra connections being to a mouse, keyboard, and monitor/TV. Even the external GPU idea only adds one more connection, which, despite your seeming inability to comprehend it, would be something you only connect to while you're at home and doing something that needs some serious graphical power. Otherwise, all of your processing power would be on board. Personally I think we just need to wait a little longer, and the commodity level stuff will be good enough for anything that doesn't require a supercomputer -- at which point the university/military research lab can darned well buy themselves a supercomputer.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

Ultratwinkie said:
Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
The entire argument started over how tablets can have attachments which turns it into the "new desktop."

A flawed idea on multiple fronts. It has to be in the main design, or it won't work. External parts like GPUs on a wireless connection would be nothing but headaches if it even works at any capacity. The OS never came into it.

Even then, the OS would be bogged down, since desktops are MS,mac, and Linux country. Well known, big market share holders.

Practically everyone falls into one of these three groups for their needs. Google has a habit of joining in too late, it will end up like Google Plus with almost no one using it.

The only way for a Google OS to work is for it to offer something the other 3 can't.
I didn't see the quote about adding GPU like peripherals, yes that does sound dumb and unnecessary. Integrated devices exist Google just need the OS, they have the customer base there. Android is the most popular smartphone OS and unless Apple work fast they are on track to take the tablet market too. If people are used to having Android as part of their daily lives and like it and Google market a powerful tablet hybrid people will be willing to buy it.

Microsoft is cleverer than people give them credit for, they are seeing that the tablet market is on borrowed time because the hybrids will soon replace them. Not just yet because they are very expensive but soon, once they hit £500 and less people will really take to them. Windows mobile and Windows 8 running on both platforms and essentially interchangeable is very clever and very forward thinking.

If Apple and Samsung and the other competition isn't paying attention and Microsoft play this right they will steal this new market out from under them. Google will have to respond to this by creating a more complex version of Android to run on these devices or risk being relegated to phones and getting booted out of the tablet market.
 

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Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

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Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
The entire argument started over how tablets can have attachments which turns it into the "new desktop."

A flawed idea on multiple fronts. It has to be in the main design, or it won't work. External parts like GPUs on a wireless connection would be nothing but headaches if it even works at any capacity. The OS never came into it.

Even then, the OS would be bogged down, since desktops are MS,mac, and Linux country. Well known, big market share holders.

Practically everyone falls into one of these three groups for their needs. Google has a habit of joining in too late, it will end up like Google Plus with almost no one using it.

The only way for a Google OS to work is for it to offer something the other 3 can't.
Actually, there's two things people are arguing for here: one is the completely modular system, which includes an external GPU. The other is a system where all the processing power is already on board, with the extra connections being to a mouse, keyboard, and monitor/TV. Even the external GPU idea only adds one more connection, which, despite your seeming inability to comprehend it, would be something you only connect to while you're at home and doing something that needs some serious graphical power. Otherwise, all of your processing power would be on board. Personally I think we just need to wait a little longer, and the commodity level stuff will be good enough for anything that doesn't require a supercomputer -- at which point the university/military research lab can darned well buy themselves a supercomputer.
The POINT of a tablet and phone is to be mobile.

If you are at home, why bother with a tablet instead of just going to the desktop?

If you are going to be immobile. Why not go with a method that is meant for it?

Its not that hard to understand. If it can't leave the house, its useless to attach to a mobile. If the model by itself has enough power, what use is the attachment anyway?
I've been trying to explain this to you for the last two or three days now. The point of a docking station is to allow your mobile device to replace your immobile device. When you're near a docking station, you've got a full workstation. When you're on the go, you've got all of your documents and processing power with you, but with a moderately reduced ability to be productive. This is /significantly/ better than the way it is now, where you can't take a desktop with you on the go. Oh, you can take a laptop, but just try cramming it into your pocket. You're /way/ underestimating the allure of convenience.

Edit: You also don't seem to get that I'm the one who isn't arguing for a GPU attachment. I don't see any reason not to just go with onboard everything. The attachments I'm talking about are things like a physical keyboard and a bigger screen -- you know, ergonomics?
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
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Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

Ultratwinkie said:
Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
The entire argument started over how tablets can have attachments which turns it into the "new desktop."

A flawed idea on multiple fronts. It has to be in the main design, or it won't work. External parts like GPUs on a wireless connection would be nothing but headaches if it even works at any capacity. The OS never came into it.

Even then, the OS would be bogged down, since desktops are MS,mac, and Linux country. Well known, big market share holders.

Practically everyone falls into one of these three groups for their needs. Google has a habit of joining in too late, it will end up like Google Plus with almost no one using it.

The only way for a Google OS to work is for it to offer something the other 3 can't.
Actually, there's two things people are arguing for here: one is the completely modular system, which includes an external GPU. The other is a system where all the processing power is already on board, with the extra connections being to a mouse, keyboard, and monitor/TV. Even the external GPU idea only adds one more connection, which, despite your seeming inability to comprehend it, would be something you only connect to while you're at home and doing something that needs some serious graphical power. Otherwise, all of your processing power would be on board. Personally I think we just need to wait a little longer, and the commodity level stuff will be good enough for anything that doesn't require a supercomputer -- at which point the university/military research lab can darned well buy themselves a supercomputer.
The POINT of a tablet and phone is to be mobile.

If you are at home, why bother with a tablet instead of just going to the desktop?

If you are going to be immobile. Why not go with a method that is meant for it?

Its not that hard to understand. If it can't leave the house, its useless to attach to a mobile. If the model by itself has enough power, what use is the attachment anyway?
I've been trying to explain this to you for the last two or three days now. The point of a docking station is to allow your mobile device to replace your immobile device. When you're near a docking station, you've got a full workstation. When you're on the go, you've got all of your documents and processing power with you, but with a moderately reduced ability to be productive. This is /significantly/ better than the way it is now, where you can't take a desktop with you on the go. Oh, you can take a laptop, but just try cramming it into your pocket. You're /way/ underestimating the allure of convenience.
I wasn't talking about remote connect. I am talking about the mentality that tablets will ever replace desktops. Essentially, the Desktop doesn't even exist in this scenario. The tablet IS the desktop. No docking, just attachments to make it emulate a desktop.

They won't. The more attachments you add, the less convenient it becomes. A bad idea that makes everything more complicated than it needs to be.

Tablets were meant to be mobile and supplement a desktop. Not replace them.
We've been going around in circles forever here. Why are you not reading a single word I write? Why do you not get the concept of having a station at home that improves the ergonomics of your pocket sized device to being equivalent to a desktop, when its power is already close enough to it as to make no difference? It'll still have all the touch screen conveniences they already have for on the go, it's just an add on for when you're at home or at work and ready to do some serious work with it. Do you just like having multiple redundant and expensive devices or something? And have you ever even used a smart phone or a tablet?

Edit: For that matter, have you ever seen an iPod dock? You know, those things that act as a boombox that uses your iPod as the program source? Ever notice that you can just unplug the iPod and take it with you when you're done using the speakers? Now add a keyboard, mouse, and monitor to those speakers. There you go, that's the kind of dock I'm talking about.