Anonymous Attacks US Government

[EHKOS]

Cool, now let's see it do some real damage. DDoS attacks are one thing, but if they can actually make some good things happen to the Government I'm all for it. It would be nice to actually have rights again.

Ah yes, our God-given right to steal shit we didn't pay for because it's more convenient than buying it.

Actually I mean about the part where we are working on giving less healthcare. PROGRESS!

 

[dark-amon]

It's official.

Anonymous has declared war on America.

Actually it's more that Anonymus dosen't like the current state of the world. I think the reason their activeties are mostly spread in USA is due to the fact that it is where the group originated and have the strongest hold.

 

[Hedberger]

viva la revolution! good to see that shit like this isn't just in movies ... fighting back and taking action shouldn't be so scant an occurrence. if i could i would join the fight. seems like a good bit of romanticism.

Agreed, FIGHT THE POWAH'!

 

[A3sir]

SWAT and FBI teams invading underground bunkers populated entirely by Guy Fawkes masked gunmen, just because that would be the most entertaining option.

4CHAN: The Movie

 

[Phoenixlight]

DDoS attacks are so old, would have thought they might do something a little different for a change.

 

[dickseverywhere]

Nice to see them actually doing something that actual makes sence for what they are fighting for but then saying the attacks will stop "when they stop being angry" just makes them look like idoits.So now the government will be able to label them idoitic childish pranksters and no one in public will treat them seriously

uh-huh, as opposed how super-cereal people took them before, DDoSing isn't really getting anything but some minor publicity. the reason anon worked well against scientology is that all the sillyness and pranks made scientology look stupid when what they craved most was serious respectability. what really needs to be done is to make the craziness of ACTA big news in the mainstream media. then maybe something will get done about it.

Bet Firefox is regretting putting that refresh button on their browser now...

Seriously though, what's wrong with copyright law? This isn't a question to goad people, but I don't understand what they actually want

It infringes on already existing rights; so-called 'natural rights'. These are ideas that go back to the Magna Carta and were given distinct form in the Enlightenment, which is reflected in the constitution of the United States. You have the right for example to write stuff and pass it around; by what right does anyone else have to physically stop you putting a pen to paper? The First Amendment forbids the US government from making any law that infringes on this. But a special exception is made for copyright.

The original justification for copyright laws in light of the rights they infringe on was that they were there to protect public access to information; so supporting the principle of free expression rather than interfering with it. The argument was that if authors had some limited copyrights over their work then they would get a return on their investment in it, encouraging them to make more original work. It would all eventually be freely available in the public domain once the exclusive copyrights expired.

A far cry from modern copyright law; which exists for and serves the polar opposite purpose.

actually the first copyright laws were enacted to restrict so called 'natural rights' of perpetual inheritable copyright and remove the methods of censorship that had been enacted when movable type replaced hand copying by scribes. authors had copyright over their works forever but that right could be (and usually was)sold to a printing firm for a one off fee. in order to publish you had to get express permision from the government or monarchy.
i think originally in (US and UK) copyright law the author got 14 years from date of publication and could choose to extend that by another 14 years if they were still alive.
this meant the original author could get a return on their work encouraging them to create but also that the public would have plenty of access to creative works.

now it seems we've gone back to the old system of companies holding perpetual copyright and doing their damndest to keep creative works out of the hands of the public.

Spoiler: snip

Anonymous has recently been pretty damn active but a war on America? They certainly have some more balls than most protest groups, so in that way, more power to them. But eventually they are going to push the line and get caught for good.

That's where you're wrong. These people have no balls at all. They're cowards. They hide behind the anonymity of proxies in China and Russia, they hide behind Guy Fawkes masks. If they had any balls, they'd come out in public and say, "Fuck copyrights, I downloaded [x] gigabytes of stuff from torrent sites."

But, no, they're cowards. They know that if they actually lose their anonymity, and stand out in public showing their faces, and protest copyrights, they're completely fucked. Lawsuits, class action suits, not to mention the fact that the United Nations would probably start asking governments to arrest these anarchists.

As for people saying copyrights suck. Consider this:
You're a freelance level designer working for a developer that is putting out a huge Action/RPG. Since you're a freelancer, under copyright law you own all the copyrights to your work -- but, oh wait!, there are no copyrights.

Rather than paying you for your copyrighted work, the big developer takes your work, turns around, and says, "Thanks. You're fired." You don't get paid, and you can't do anything about it, because you don't have a copyright on that awesome game world you spent years designing.

Gee, copyright really sucks now, doesn't it...

yes because going out to protest scientology in masks was cowardly too, the should have let them photograph them and given out their details freely so scientologists could track them down and harass them. just like everyone should hand over their details to people like the RIAA and ACS-law so they can spam them with demands for money and frivolous law threats.

consider this, you create a game as part of an independant company using money loaned to you by a big publisher. the publisher then buys your company out, they now own all the rights to your game. the publisher then disolves your company and takes the profits. similar result but legal under our current system. copyright law as it stands is stifling creativity and screwing the people who create.

 

[Michael O'Hair]

O beautiful for spacious /v/,
For amber waves of rage,
For purple troll face majesties
Above the - hey, check my doubles!

Anonymous! Anonymous!
Snacks shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy lulz with brotherhood
From /c/ to shining /c/!

 

[mr_rubino]

So they DDoS'd another website. Um... complete surprise?

 

[Tdc2182]

Guy Fawkes has been thought to represent Anarchy by people who take on the label. They believe that he tried to create chaos and destroy the Parliament, When in reality he was only trying to put the Catholic Church back into power, a much less noble Commision.

I have actually given you other references from different sources. You have only said "that's not true" and each one of you posts.

I found another article that backs me up, while you are sitting back and telling me I am wrong. Have you given me anything to back up your statement? Cause last time I checked, I am not the only one who thinks so. Somebody else agreed with me, and I have an article from another source.

I think I smell a straw man in here.

Not only do you provide me with dubious deductive reasoning, but you are attempting to claim logical fallacies by misappropriating what a strawman argument is. All you are doing is looking at a set of facts and reading some sort of face value, ignoring nearly all the contextual content.

In light of your recent tactic, it has also become hypocritical, considering you outright ignored the clearly contradictory fact of historical evidence: that a much more openly agnostic nation celebrates the associated holiday with no pro-theocratic intentions at all. This introduces yet another fallacy of assuming your current, scant investigation supersedes the traditions of people going back hundreds of years.

Pro tip: If you try to use "big words" to make me look like an idiot, try using them in the correct grammatical way. Because a good deal of that doesn't actually make any sense. And yes, you were playing the Straw man.

Basically, this is gonna end with me calling you an idiot because you have nothing to back up your saying (I was merely pointing out the irony in the fact that everyone believes the Guy Fawkes mask represents Anarchy and freedom from government, when Guy Fawkes himself had less than noble intentions in mind when trying to destroy parliament.)

Before you respond, make the attempt to actually understand the opposing argument. It helps, and might even make your argument make more sense.

 

[Slick Samurai]

So, is Anonymous considered a terrorist group now?

Sure, the brats only managed to take down a site for only 30 minutes, but that's an attack nevertheless.

Can't wait for the day when these kiddies grow up and realize how ignorant and hypocritical their "organization" is.

 

[Dan E]

Ok I'm taking a Leadership class at the moment but F*** I be a follower of these people anyday, they got cajones and for that I applaud them.

 

[Tdc2182]

Pro tip: If you try to use "big words" to make me look like an idiot, try using them in the correct grammatical way. Because a good deal of that doesn't actually make any sense. And yes, you were playing the Straw man.

Basically, this is gonna end with me calling you an idiot because you have nothing to back up your saying (I was merely pointing out the irony in the fact that everyone believes the Guy Fawkes mask represents Anarchy and freedom from government, when Guy Fawkes himself had less than noble intentions in mind when trying to destroy parliament.)

Before you respond, make the attempt to actually understand the opposing argument. It helps, and might even make your argument make more sense.

My argument makes sense if you had understood me from the beginning. That is something I won't cater to; I won't dumb down my arguments simply because the other side has demonstrated a lack of education, although I have given the latitude of presenting the side in different lights.

I can see you don't want to argue this any more. You ignored my last argument, instead complaining about things like grammar, using nothing but ad hominems. You didn't bother to acknowledge that you are ignoring crucial data here: that pretty much a whole nation, whence this subject originated from, disagrees with you.

The thing is, you made the extra effort in trying to out word(?) me in your argument, beside actually focusing on the core of it. I said

I wonder if they realize the irony of their Guy Fawkes mascot. Maybe they don't realize that it represents the opposite of what they are trying to accomplish

You said

And similarly you don't realize modern interpretations.

(which was extremely unnecessary trolling, but I'll put that aside)

Guy Fawkes was not an Anarchist. He was trying to put forth the old regime of Christianity (Good Garsh, is there and echo in here?). I am telling you the modern interpretation is wrong. Much like the Modern interpretation for St. Patricks day is wrong (Right there is a whole different group of people who got something wrong, or at least lost touch with what it meant over the years.) Let's get this straight, Are you denying that he was trying to put forth a regime of Christianity? Because for christ's sakes, it really just seems to me like you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

And about the grammatical problems, Re read it. You don't get to use the "I'm not gonna dumb down my argument for you" when you can't even use the words properly. That's not how it works.

 

[tsb247]

I had thought that Annonymous was an organisation against the church of Scientology since when does they attack things about copyrights?

Anonymous is just a lot of bored people on a website.

They normally organise against something when they get even more bored/pissed off.

They do take a lot of hits against Scientology but recently with the closing down of Limewire they are more annoyed at copyright laws.

pff.. I used to respect the hits they made about Scientology... but i can,t habide on people who promote stealing intellectual propriety

This was pretty much the first thought that came to my mind when I read this article.

 

[internetzealot1]

If you need someone with skills... you can find them on /b/. Seriously,though, this is probably the work of just a handful of guys. The rest of Anon is sitting there going "lolwut?"

 

[SnipErlite]

Anonymous says it will keep up the attacks until it "stops being angry"

Best end date ever.

OT: Well, while I am usually amused by Anonymous' antics I suppose I should support the government and not the wrongdoers. But as others have said, at least they get stuff done. They deserve some credit for actually doing things instead of just talking about them. Meh.