Anonymous Attacks US Government

[BlackStar42]

Show me an open source, copy-right free group that can create chips that can rival what Intel produces. Show me a developed economy that doesn't protect inventors. Show me advanced technology built by people who don't want a cent in return. Show me new anti-retroviral drugs that are tested and researched for over 20 years, produced by teens in their mom's basement.

A lot of these anonymous people are just teens in their mom or dad's basement, who write little bits of code or do indie games and thus, they have the arrogant assumption that just because they can write code for free (and not very good code at that), all code should be free all the time.

But that way of thinking is shallow and stupid. Advanced biological research requires millions if not BILLIONS of dollars. I would know - I do biological research. I have a degree in Biotech, which means that I also understand how the biotech industry operates (they make you take a few business courses and do a few PDPs, that's Product Development Proposals by the way). Simply put, you cannot have an "Open source" biotech industry. The amount and quality of reagents that we require is enormous. The costs associated with our research is similarly ENORMOUS. You cannot do PCR reactions in your mom's basement (well, not clean, reliable PCR reactions). You cannot clone plasmids or do electroporation in your dad's attic. It requires LABS, it requires MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EQUIPMENT.

SOMEONE MUST FOOT THE BILL! SOMEONE MUST PAY FOR THAT! And that is WHY we need investors, who would LIKE to see a RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT! Got that genius! That is WHY we need PATENTS and WHY WE NEED COPYRIGHT!

The only alternative is to let the government fund every single medical or biological project. The only alternative to the patent/copyright system, is to let the government fund everything with your tax dollars. Would you like that? I didn't think so.

This is true, but irrelevant to the music industry, which is what Anonymous are protesting against. The music industry doesn't do research, and in the digital age, no bill needs to be footed. All the record companies do is rip artists off and sue people, and I'd cheer if they all died.

 

[ckam]

Well, that's ... interesting.

 

[Enigmers]

The thing is.. You can't really take down Anonymous. There is no body to target so to speak. No leadership, no organization. Only the idea and the hoard of anonymous who supports it.

Good luck to whom ever Anonymous chose to target.

You could just arrest all the people who visit the website.

You could, if you felt like giving away a little more of your freedom on the grounds that you'll punish a select few people who sounded annoying when you heard about them on the internet.

Visiting 4chan is not a crime and jailing anyone who goes to 4chan just because they go to 4chan goes against the policy of internet freedom and fairness that Anonymous is trying to put across to begin with. You'd only be proving their point.

Anonymous is not every fat, greasy, socially inept degenerate teenager dwelling in his parents' basement. Anonymous is not some organized group of snotty, acne-ridden kids who screw around with people for fun. Anonymous is everyone on the internet who has ever read, seen, or heard something they thought was wrong, and decided that they will not stand idly by while this shit goes down.

Anonymous, in short, is Captain America.

And it makes me glad that there's a group of people - in all of us, really, in some way or another - that can get together and decide that they're going to do something about the greed and injustice practiced by the people who claim to have our best interests in mind.

 

[Swifteye]

Hmm if the anon keep this up the goverment might feel threatened enough to actually go on the hunt and clean the filth for a lack of better words.

 

[Double A]

Fucking idiots, the copyright assholes are just gonna use this to fuel the fires.

 

[Tdc2182]

The thing is, you made the extra effort in trying to out word(?) me in your argument, beside actually focusing on the core of it. I said

This is you attempting to derail a discussion.

(which was extremely unnecessary trolling, but I'll put that aside)

This statement was in no way relevant.

Guy Fawkes was not an Anarchist.

So what? You keep acting like it matters. It doesn't. If you continue to think it doesn't, then you will continue to be wrong.

He was trying to put forth the old regime of Christianity (Good Garsh, is there and echo in here?).

Once again you don't explain how it matters to the modern interpretations. I already contested your line of reasoning and you brushed it off (#274).

Much like the Modern interpretation for St. Patricks day is wrong (Right there is a whole different group of people who got something wrong, or at least lost touch with what it meant over the years.)

While I would say that is also wrong, it doesn't matter because it is irrelevant.

Let's get this straight, Are you denying that he was trying to put forth a regime of Christianity?

You should already know the answer. I put forth the necessary information in one of my first posts. This also doesn't really matter.

Because for christ's sakes, it really just seems to me like you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

I am telling you what is wrong with your superficial assessment of the data.

And about the grammatical problems, Re read it.

I did, and the only problem I noticed was one that you probably wouldn't even bring up. In another word, negligible.

You don't get to use the "I'm not gonna dumb down my argument for you" when you can't even use the words properly. That's not how it works.

Burden of proof is on you. If you don't understand something, which seems like a natural consequence of grossly misusing words, then why has it not been brought forth and questioned? None of this has seemed to impede on your comprehension and rebuttals. Although, it may help to identify these supposed errors if you didn't ignore certain points wholesale.

Does it mean something when I can pull the "well I can say the exact thing to you" to about every single thing you just said to me? Because I can. And funnily enough, I am the only one here who has given in proof to any of these subjects when in fact you are the one who would have benefited greatly from showing me any outside source, which you havent.

So uhh, yeah. This basically is ending with me calling you an idiot and a hypocrite, whos first post could only really be interpreted to flame me (though admittedly, I did respond.). You pretty much have ignored each one of my arguments which has resluted in little more than a flame war and I've been meaning to get away from the idiots without incident recently, so I am gonna do us both a favor.

Blocked.

 

[Moon_Called]

"This is not the land of Do What You Want, this is the land of Take What You Please." ~ V

 

[SimuLord]

So basically they're nothing more than cyber-terrorists and criminals. This will NOT end well. Attacking the government is asking for further curtailment of civil rights. If you're going to attack, you do it with a full-fledged revolution, not the equivalent of throwing miniature firecrackers at an Army barracks.

 

[DoW Lowen]

Well I don't particularly support what they're fighting for, but to their credit, at least Anonymous gets shit done. How many other protest groups can say the same?

Taking a few websites down? Oh no, hide your kids...

I missed the old ways of doing things, in Vietnam monks use to set themselves on fire. Now that's a fucking protest.

 

[Raesvelg]

I doubt that there will be particularly dire consequences over this attack. It was a minor inconvenience to a government site that doesn't see a lot of traffic; functionally the equivalent of stealing street signs from a seldom-used back alley.

However.

There will come a time when they, Anon, overestimate their capabilities, and wind up landing themselves in serious trouble.

And as for the "Anon is not 4chan, quit lumping them together just because a lot of Anon uses 4chan to organize/recruit/etc" argument... Yeah, that worked out REAL WELL for Afghanistan, didn't it?

And one more thing:

In light of your recent tactic, it has also become hypocritical, considering you outright ignored the clearly contradictory fact of historical evidence: that a much more openly agnostic nation celebrates the associated holiday with no pro-theocratic intentions at all. This introduces yet another fallacy of assuming your current, scant investigation supersedes the traditions of people going back hundreds of years.

Yes, the Brits celebrate Guy Fawkes Night, or Bonfire Night, or whatever else you want to call it.

They celebrate the fact THAT HE FAILED.

The man himself is reviled, burned in effigy in fact.

 

[Raesvelg]

Obtuse.

Obtuse.

So basically Guy Fawkes has become Batman?

So basically you have no real argument?

 

[Jodan]

huh?
i think these guys need more focus
randomly attacking things because you think they are wrong wont work(churchill in the dardanells)

 

[Popido]

They need more propaganda tbh.
Every avarage Joe have already gotten their brains fubar'd by anti-piracy education.

Even if they take this to the streets, its not going to do much at this point.

 

[hawkeye52]

Can't they be tracked with an IP address or something? Jeez!

Although respect to them, if they say they will do something, they will do it at least lol.

question...if they attacked us, how would we know?

i believe they are using bot nets so arresting thousands of people for something like that would just be out of line

 

[thahat]

The thing is.. You can't really take down Anonymous. There is no body to target so to speak. No leadership, no organization. Only the idea and the hoard of anonymous who supports it.

Good luck to whom ever Anonymous chose to target.

you can, its like gardening. weeds don't have a leader or an organisation but if you destroy them and throw them out of your garden they don't come back or in the worst case the problem is reduced.

welcome to the escapist btw

nah moustachio, it doesnt workt like that.
its quite simple: Anonymous works like a volunairy bot netwerk.
all ddosing at the same time, you could go 'damn you ip people! i shal track you all and get you off the net!' ..but you cant. you have to prove it was THEM. and bot networks are nothing new, you know. all they have to say, what? what is this tool? i have never seen it before!

and your scot free.
since no one can prove that YOU put it there. because a clever hacker CAN put it there.
and its co-ordinated via a damned IRC channel,...how basic can you get XD
but its not illigal to have an ip adress just hanging somewhere... so jeah..
'we cant help it that the anonymous guys like taking the targets we mark' /end of legal possibilites and their not actualy AIDING a criminal or anything., more likely, all the bots are aiding the ip poster, and thats not illigal XD

that, and tracking about 3million ip adresses will be quite, QUITE more costly then just ignoring them. XD

I said it can be done. obviously its hard and some laws have to be changed and adjusted. just like gardening weed is hard to eradicate but not impossible.

honestly i don't give a fuck what they do but ignoring is indeed the most wise. but never say never because it can be done.

well, yes, ofcourse it can be done if you change the rules, but under those rules, 90% of the worlds population would be in jail XD or cut off from the internet. and the other 10% would just not care because it would not contain interesting stuff anymore XD