This morning the radio reported on this just after I woke up... hearing Jules and Bunker talking about 'Anonymous' is just plain weird.
Anonymous Declares "Infowar" on Wikileaks Opponents
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There's a line between whistle blowing and blowing the secrets of national security, somehow he's manged to cross not just 1 line but 2 in the fact that numerous countries securities are at risk, he revealed the location of a critical uk gas pipeline in the north and the exsistence of at least 1 small company in scotland that would majorly disrupt the economy if it was damaged. I'm not a reactionist but in this case i will not complain if at least 1 country tries to try him for something like treason. if had just been the stuff bout the diplomatic gossip, fair enough its embarrasing and amusing but revealing security information goes way over the line, the government is right in that respect that he is as bad as a terorist.
Whenever people talk about Wikileaks now, it feels like half of them need to be reminded not everyone is American. There are people in France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Germany and lots of other places too! People who may want to know about things like friendly fire incidents, killing civilians at checkpoints, CIA agents torturing their innocent civilians, censorship in their own country, terrorist militias funded by our government, illegal wiretapping in their country, what the neo-nazis are up to, and about civilians being used to check for trapsbombs.
The only reason most Americans are up in arms about this is because it's about America. Also, wikileaks doesn't leak anything. They acquire leaks, which they than publish. Which has never been illegal. If it was, the Times would no longer exist right now.
The only reason most Americans are up in arms about this is because it's about America. Also, wikileaks doesn't leak anything. They acquire leaks, which they than publish. Which has never been illegal. If it was, the Times would no longer exist right now.
Okay okay okay, i'm going to start at the top of theqbanknight said:
Firstly, It was not the Vietnam War, it was the Vietnam Conflict, a state of war was never declared and as such all files relating were not protected from the public nor were Journalists barred from going to Vietnam, and that is why today we have such a large knowledge base about it and not just what we were told by governemnt correspondence.
Secondly, Even by the American legal system you can only be charged for crimes commited in the states, territories or sovereign nation in which they were commited. And to my knowledge, none of these were on American soil.
'Highly important sites' ? Name a few, apparently we know about them now, lets hear it.
Third, Neo-Nazis are not terrorists, they're a political and ideological group sure, but in the terms of 'terrorism' they're little more than thugs holding small riots in sparse locations irregularly. And the IRA? would that be the Irish Republican Army that ceased to be in 1922 that fought for the indeipendance of Ireland? or the Provisional Irish Republican Army that ended in 1997 and were fighting for the sovereignty of Ireland from the United Kingdom? I happen to remember another country that did that not too long ago only a few hundred years infact--hmm, i'll get back to you on that, maybe we can call them terrorists too. *rolls his eyes*
And i'll end with a quote for you: "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
Guess who said that? It was Benjamin Franklin.
I'd give it ten hours after the government got their hands on it to the time they crack the "encryption" Assange supposedly has installed.TheXRatedDodo said:
Dear games industry,
MAKE A GAME ABOUT THIS! seriously, DO IT! best RTS/pseudo Hacking, game concept EvAr!
An unknowable, untraceable army of Hackers, waging war with the money handling centers of the Internet? blow that up even a 'little' bit out of proportion and you get the most kick-ass, original World War 3 concept ever. World War 3: Cyberspace edition!
MAKE A GAME ABOUT THIS! seriously, DO IT! best RTS/pseudo Hacking, game concept EvAr!
An unknowable, untraceable army of Hackers, waging war with the money handling centers of the Internet? blow that up even a 'little' bit out of proportion and you get the most kick-ass, original World War 3 concept ever. World War 3: Cyberspace edition!
Gee, what could wikileaks possibly have that could warrant such attacks?
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/07/report-wikileaks-cab.html
Oops, must have dropped that. Anyways, on to the covering up...
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/07/report-wikileaks-cab.html
Oops, must have dropped that. Anyways, on to the covering up...
You know what I wish Anon would help fight? For this guy:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Canadian+faces+death+penalty+Iran/3937158/story.html
Talk about being persecuted for no goddamn good reason.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Canadian+faces+death+penalty+Iran/3937158/story.html
Talk about being persecuted for no goddamn good reason.
Let's put it this way:
If Assange dies by any means,
the US goverment WILL be held responsible, including all the fun that follows.
So it should be in their best intention to save this persons life, or their PR shield will be more than completely broken.
If Assange dies by any means,
the US goverment WILL be held responsible, including all the fun that follows.
So it should be in their best intention to save this persons life, or their PR shield will be more than completely broken.
While I believe in secrecy for the sake of national security, I believe that end has been used since 2001 to justify far too many means in America. I don't believe anyone reading this really needs me to cite examples.
Similarly, I believe Anonymous abuses its many powers as well for means that really just aren't quite worth it.
However this instance is something that really gives me hope. To know that people around the world, some with more power than others, are acting for the sake of real Freedom and Liberty.
I'm not going to get all patriotic on you, but America was founded out of rage, activism, and circumstance.
Sometimes the people who lead our country need to be reminded of where their power comes from and where it truly lies.
I hate to say it, but effective or no, well done, Anonymous.
Similarly, I believe Anonymous abuses its many powers as well for means that really just aren't quite worth it.
However this instance is something that really gives me hope. To know that people around the world, some with more power than others, are acting for the sake of real Freedom and Liberty.
I'm not going to get all patriotic on you, but America was founded out of rage, activism, and circumstance.
Sometimes the people who lead our country need to be reminded of where their power comes from and where it truly lies.
I hate to say it, but effective or no, well done, Anonymous.
Anonymous can go to Hell, as can Julian ASSange. Can ANYONE tell me ANY reason why it's a good thing to post a list of key US installations that, if attacked, would have catastrophic effects on America? Well, that's one of the many piece-of-shit moves this fame-whore **** has pulled.
Pretty much, little guy.Jack and Calumon said:
OT: Bring em down, Anon. We need to teach the governement to stop hiding shit from us. I want to know what the hell is in Area 51, damnit!
Here here!viper3 said:
Also to add to Viper, Assange is not convicted on anything. He had permission to leave Sweden, and even after his compliance the Swedish authorities they jumped the gun and bypassed protocol and put him on interpol, under highly unusual circumstances. Also for both the Afghan documents and these latest cables he approached the white house and asked for assistance in weeding out anything that would put people's lives in danger, for which he was refused.
Provided he is innocent of rape charges then in my opinion Julia Assange is a great man who will go down in history years from now (he will go down anyway, but i mean in a positive light). Also its just wrong if the US change their laws so they can convict an AUSTRALIAN man when he has not broken any of their existing laws.
While there are some things that would be good to make public (such as cases of corruption in governments and the such) there are things that are kept secret for a reason, what right does anyone of us have to say that anyone's secrets belong to the public?
What if someone got ahold of your secret shame and made it accessable online with ease, clearly identifying you and connecting you to that one thing which you would rather not mention, nevermind have the public know about.
You'd be pretty angry, wouldn't you?
I don't know anything about Wikileaks or what they had on their site but as a general rule, distributing secrets is a very quick and easy way to get on people's wrong side (and any consequences that come of that are your fault and yours alone, you should have expected no less).
In short, some of the guy's work at exposing people could hold merit, but on the other hand, he was proverbially putting his hand in a hornet's nest and just so happened to get stung for it.
What if someone got ahold of your secret shame and made it accessable online with ease, clearly identifying you and connecting you to that one thing which you would rather not mention, nevermind have the public know about.
You'd be pretty angry, wouldn't you?
I don't know anything about Wikileaks or what they had on their site but as a general rule, distributing secrets is a very quick and easy way to get on people's wrong side (and any consequences that come of that are your fault and yours alone, you should have expected no less).
In short, some of the guy's work at exposing people could hold merit, but on the other hand, he was proverbially putting his hand in a hornet's nest and just so happened to get stung for it.
One of the Dutch newspapers commented on this. But they don't 'get' the internet, so instead of saying Anonymous did it and explain who they are, they just say 'Followers of Wikileaks are attacking!'. This will not help their cause :<
I honestly don't know who to side with. As an American, I feel as though I deserve to know the truth, but possibly endangering innocent lives to do so is a goddamn crazy idea.
I mean I'm usually a fan of the crazy ass Anarchist style of Anonymous, and Assange is (from what I understand) just trying to cut the bullshit we are being fed. Yet, revealing structural weaknesses of pivotal military installations is rather.....fucking insane. Who the fuck does that? Why the hell doesn't Assange find out where the worlds greatest caveman Osama Bin Laden hiding in? Seems that would even out the odds a little.
Whatever, I'm just a youngin', what I say doesn't really matter. I just hope this situation doesn't lead to some crazy incident where lives are lost.
I mean I'm usually a fan of the crazy ass Anarchist style of Anonymous, and Assange is (from what I understand) just trying to cut the bullshit we are being fed. Yet, revealing structural weaknesses of pivotal military installations is rather.....fucking insane. Who the fuck does that? Why the hell doesn't Assange find out where the worlds greatest caveman Osama Bin Laden hiding in? Seems that would even out the odds a little.
Whatever, I'm just a youngin', what I say doesn't really matter. I just hope this situation doesn't lead to some crazy incident where lives are lost.