Anonymous Declares "Infowar" on Wikileaks Opponents

[Logic 0]

It seems anon has been itching for a fight recently.

 

[someotherguy]

A Transparent Government is one thing. But what Assange is doing is so above and beyond exposing corruption. Yes, the true facts about the wars we're in should be disclosed to the people. A democratic government should not be lying about the facts of a conflict it started.

However, when you leak classified documents listing a series of sites that could potentially cripple the country if attacked, that's not just whistle blowing. That's threatening the National Security of a sovereign nation.

When you leak the names of foreign civilians that are assisting U.S. troops, that's not whistle blowing. That's threatening innocent people's lives.

What the hell is he trying to accomplish by doing this? Having a list of targets the government already possessed publicly available sure as hell isn't helping the citizens. Ratting out people who are assisting us in rebuilding their war torn country sure as hell isn't helping the citizens.

What will Assange say should one of these sites be attacked? What will he say if the Taliban start executing up people collaborating with US troops. All that blood will be on his hands. But I assume he and those that buy into his particular brand of transparency will find some way to absolve himself of any wrongdoing.

Congratulations. You've successfully summed up a point that many many people fail to do, without looking like an idiot. /Nosarcasm, I promise.

And to your last paragraph, the man has a god complex as someone else said, he'll probably go with "it's for the greater good"

 

[Jinxd]

http://www.businessinsider.com/reminder-the-sex-crime-that-julian-assange-was-just-arrested-for-wasnt-rape-it-was-2010-12?sailthru_m=h2n


Nuff said

 

[xdiesp]

Read the documents, get information from both sides, weed out the chest pumping and self-righteousness, and make an informed opinion.

I did and it shows your government spying on the UN, trading gitmo detainees in corrupt trade, lying in public to no end. This after the claims of transparency of the Obama administration, not to mention the promises of peace. Really think twice, thrice before coming out of the US and accusing anyone else on Earth of being uninformed or hypocrite because as always America's first.

People have this perception that governments are groups of hyper-competent people working towards something evil. When in reality, most democratic governments are groups of only slightly competent people striving to do good. If anything, a good chunk of these leaks show that the U.S. government, for all it's recent misdeeds, generally strives to uphold the rule of law and respect national sovereignty.

First a democracy is actual power to the people, not a show of making a vote every 4 years while money and corporate interests decide what's important. Secondly, nobody would have never accused the U.S. government of hyper-competentence really: for 8 years it has been ruled by a semi-retarded war criminal, and this massive information leaking has shown everybody your ability.

And really... really... you come out accusing people of being ignorant of the facts, and DARE talking about the US respecting other countries' sovereignty? While you are occupying foreign countries under false premises in this very moment. After igniting countless proxy wars all over the world (Nicaragua, Panama, Iran, Vietnam, Chile to name a few) where you blatlantly disregarded popular vote in favor of your favorite dictator.

However, when you leak classified documents listing a series of sites that could potentially cripple the country if attacked, that's not just whistle blowing. That's threatening the National Security of a sovereign nation.

Sites that are in OTHER COUNTRIES? Saudi oil fields, indian mines: so to speak, foreign resources. That the cables discovered being surveiled by the US leaving the host countries in the dark. How's that for your country's respect of others? Or do you consider world resources ownership an essential right of America?

 

[Sacman]

I think Serial Experiments Lain described the internet best as a culture in and of itself, separate from meatspace... though I don't know if it's moved quite that far yet...<.<

OT: It's to be expected Anon does fight against censorship...<.<

 

[Sacman]

TeeHee... sorry wrong thread...<.<

 

[Evilsanta]

Ha! I still find it amusing. that all politicians must take accountabillity for all thier little lies...

Though i think Anon will rather hurt wikileaks then help them but who knows?

 

[Vohn_exel]

I think Serial Experiments Lain described the internet best as a culture in and of itself, separate from meatspace... though I don't know if it's moved quite that far yet...<.<

OT: It's to be expected Anon does fight against censorship...<.<

Annon loves to come to causes it deems appropriate, and even if their intentions aren't always the best for everyone, they can do some good. I just hope that one day they don't go too far and end up causing huge restrictions on the net. Although those days are probably coming...Also, Serial Experiments Lain best described the internet as fraogaoaaaaah my brain is melting after watching that show!

After igniting countless proxy wars all over the world

Well it's their own fault. Proxies are hard to use. I mean I have foxyproxy but still, I can't seem to get on Youku.

Seriously, this is why I stay out of political discussions. For some reason, they're just as heated as religious discussions. People start calling each other names, insulting each other...after a while you get too far from what you were talking about and it's just everyone using facts to call someone else stupid, not to prove anything. I'm not saying thats what you're doing, but I'm just saying it can lead to that. And really I just thought that it was strange that when I read "proxy wars" that came to mind instead of what they really are.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

For all the people wanting Assange gone because "the information he reveals could endanger the lives of many people" its a completely hypocritical argument.

Say there was some massive intelligence leak that revealed a large number of Taliban spies living in America, and the leak causes many of them to be captured and/or killed. Would Assange be called a terrorist? No, he'd be a national hero. But when the roles are reversed its bad because you aren't the beneficiary of what he is doing. The only thing this means is that governments can no longer just abandon their undercover agents when they are found and then they will maybe stop resorting to espionage altogether?

Yes because having no reliable intelligence on those the us previse might be enemys has never affected us negativly right......right

Forcing government to be responsible and not force individuals to take the fall for government mistakes can only do good. Incidents like 1960 U-2 would become even rarer and the resultant political shitstorm can be mostly avoided.

If government is forced to be responsible for its actions then they cant get away with leaving a pilot in a Russian POW camp under intense interrogation for months, for a mission that they authorized, while they deny any involvement and then put the pilot on trial upon return because he didn't commit suicide.

Wars have been started because of bad intelligence many a-time. Remember the conclusive proof of WMDs in Iraq? Remember how we invaded specifically because of that? Remember how it turned out to be horseshit? Remember the 109,000+ deaths which resulted from that war?

 

[Fuselage]

A man releases dox on governments.

All of a sudden, man is wanted for sexual assault.

Anyone else call bullshit?

BS(Most Likely) or Not, he's gonna disappear.

I was just discussing this issue with my father.

We both agreed there was no way they could just 'disappear' him, because it'd be far too obvious that he'd upset the wrong people. At least if they drum up these rape charges and get him shoved in prison, the majority of the ignorant general public will believe it and won't question why.

The whole thing is an absolute joke. The people need to know at least -some- of the things the government do. Obviously that makes it hard for spies and the like, but to be honest, should we be spying on each other in this day and age? It's all to do with corruption of power, and there really isn't much we can do about it.

Yes, he broke in, yes you all feel foolish to have had millions of dollars of security exposed as worthless by one guy,

Good points overall but I don't think he actually breaks into government files, the documents are uploaded by other people and they are moderated by Assange.

However, I might be wrong.

You are correct Alex, the files were uploaded to him and his small team, and they went over the documents to prove the legitness of the dox, and then posted them to their site. I believe that they must have some pretty horrific stuff they haven't released, just for the reason it'd be too much for the public to find out about.

That's Assange's Plan, 1.4GB file uploaded to Wikileaks, Downloaded by 100,000 or so people.
He calls the file "Insurance" in the case that he is in any sort of danger, He has a USB that has the Encryption Key to the files which up to now have been unbreakable, The file's supposedly have something so horrible that he is using it to keep the U.S. at bay or it could be a bluff.

 

[Fenring]

Good job handling it like small children Internet. Please grow up.

If Assange wants to be an egotist while pretending to be an unbiased source on governments, he better actually publish things that aren't just a list of places to attack.

Just because you can out your gay friend, doesn't mean you should.

 

[Danny Ocean]

It could be the last glimmer of my failing patriotism (right now my favorite American icon is Captain America), but I have incredibly sincere doubts that the US is doing the most dirt out there.

It's nothing to do with the US being particularly good or bad, just that they're the largest. Not in landmass or population but in influence. It does the most stuff, and so will inevitably do the most bad stuff.

Actually it's mostly ignorant kids, led by manipulative idiots, led by manipulative assholes, but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the issue at hand.

I'd say that being clever and being manipulative are hardly mutually exclusive, and, more often than not, go hand in hand.

 

[Danny Ocean]

double

 

[Partezan]

the great thing about anonymous is that anyone can be a part, you just do the best you can with your resources. I think it's great that there is this kind of person around and he needs our support

 

[The Rookie Gamer]

I dare anyone to watch this video, provided by wikileaks, and NOT be absolutely convinced that wikileaks is a force for good in a corrupt world.

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that's all.

Oh my God. I honestly had no idea they let stuff like that happen. It reminds me of that scene in Full metal; Jacket, where the chopper gunner is mowing down civilians.

 

[Epictank of Wintown]

A Transparent Government is one thing. But what Assange is doing is so above and beyond exposing corruption. Yes, the true facts about the wars we're in should be disclosed to the people. A democratic government should not be lying about the facts of a conflict it started.

However, when you leak classified documents listing a series of sites that could potentially cripple the country if attacked, that's not just whistle blowing. That's threatening the National Security of a sovereign nation.

When you leak the names of foreign civilians that are assisting U.S. troops, that's not whistle blowing. That's threatening innocent people's lives.

What the hell is he trying to accomplish by doing this? Having a list of targets the government already possessed publicly available sure as hell isn't helping the citizens. Ratting out people who are assisting us in rebuilding their war torn country sure as hell isn't helping the citizens.

What will Assange say should one of these sites be attacked? What will he say if the Taliban start executing up people collaborating with US troops. All that blood will be on his hands. But I assume he and those that buy into his particular brand of transparency will find some way to absolve himself of any wrongdoing.

Congratulations. You've successfully summed up a point that many many people fail to do, without looking like an idiot. /Nosarcasm, I promise.

And to your last paragraph, the man has a god complex as someone else said, he'll probably go with "it's for the greater good"

This is pretty much the way I feel about this entire situation.

EDIT:

Come to think of it, I wonder how most of you guys felt about the member of the press that exposed Prince Harry's unit, assumed name, and location in Afghanistan in the newspapers.