Anonymous Declares "Infowar" on Wikileaks Opponents

[AlexWinter]

If anything I'll just report ya troll boy. See, I am a disabled vet, and I gave a good chunk of my health, mind and body to my nation. Oh the meds I have for stoke, cancer and just general pain... I don't have to make you happy with a spell checker cause well...

You don't matter. What kind of troll takes a intelligent debate and whines about a typo because they can't counter debate without insults. A troll, like you.

Have a nice day ;p

It's almost half clever of you to make out that he's the troll when you've ignored all of his valid arguments and focused on the weakest one. Which, I might add, is also valid because half of what you posted made little sense.

Why would you bring your illness in to this either? One of the tell tale signs of a troll is that they take things personal instead of responding to clear arguments presented to them.

That's what makes you the troll and TheThingThatLurks in the right, here.

 

[Dastardly]

As for the arguement 'but people are going to be harmed.. waaaa'.. really?.. then they shouldn't be involved.. THAT is what is causing 'harm' to come to them, not the revelations them self.

Involved in what, exactly? These people who've been made targets through the revealing of classified information--what is their crime. Provide the details you purport to possess by your claim that they somehow deserve it.

I don't see anyone complaining about revealing "ugly truths" about what has been done. That's fine. Shed the light of day on things every once in awhile. Of course, people also have to realize that keeping some of the conveniences they've grown accustomed to will occasionally mean that dark men have to stand ready to do dirty business on their behalf. Such is the "civilized" world.

But revealing classified information that provides details on places and persons that are sensitive to national security, that's another matter. That's like someone outing an undercover cop because "information should be free!" But now that cop and his family are in the crosshairs, all because of information no one needed and can't do anything good with.

Not all information needs to be released at all times. As long as there are people out there waiting to do bad things to good people with that information, a little discretion isn't a bad thing. Stop being so goddamn absolutist about this stuff, people.

 

[Leuchtender Soldat]

As a former soldier and avid supporter of free speech I can say that is heart was in the right place, but boy did he screw up this time. Leaking matters of National Security in a public forum like that used to carry the death penalty in most countries. That combined with his perceived 'Devil May Care' attitude has put him and his organization in the crosshairs of people you do NOT want to test.

The First Amendment does not extend as far his actions, and neither does any other actively used principal. Besides, what do you think will happen if and when a group of soldiers is attacked due to this leakage? Speaking from experience he'd meet with a swift and deathly effective rebuke. If he wants to expose the dangers of the world he could pick a better method, and I hope to god that nothing comes of this.

In closing, if you want more freedoms, you can't have people abusing it like him. This will only set us back.

 

[incal11]

In a perfect world such things would not be nessicary, but this isn't a perfect world. Outing military and spy operations, especially during a war, is not a good thing. You do that to any nation and you should expect some nasty backlash.

It's a matter of a lofty principle that our reality doesn't allow for.

some things should not be known. The public has a right to know ALMOST everything. However, full transparency is the death of governments, and thereby the death of many, many people. Assange is treading on thin ice, especially considering his tendency to editorialize (Collateral "Murder", anyone?).

I'm not saying that governments resting more on transparency would make everything perfect, but that'd still be a progress, wouldn't it ?
How some american diplomats (and probably diplomats of any country for that matter) are dicks should not be kept secret. At least because more sincere international relations would lessen risks of war and depression.

 

[Grigori361]

I'm sorry but to hell with this rapist. His alleged sexual-assault crime aside, the man has exposed HIGHLY classified material on the damn internet. No, I don't mean historical documents concerning the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. Those documents are history are fully protected by the First Amendment's Freedom of the Press, look up the Pentagon Papers for a similar case involving the Vietnam War and government leaks. I know the man is Australian, but I'm going to judge him by the American legal system.

However, what is NOT PROTECTED is divulging secrets that pose a national security threat. Like say the locations of HIGHLY IMPORTANT sites according to Homeland Security. If I was a terrorist (be it for Al-Qaeda, Neo-Nazi, IRA, etc.) then a list like that is essentially a travel log of where to commit the most horrific result. That's not freedom of the press, that's putting people's lives in danger. So please do not act all surprised when you see politicians in my country calling for his head, he's not some righteous savior...he's a fucking asshole

First off, the rape charges are trumped up. Second off, the Pentagon Papers are still classified. Even if he were to leak those, he'd still fall under the category of an information terrorist.

Funny story he was never charged or even accused of rape, That was made up

Sexual misconduct yes, rape no, what's the difference? he has sex with two ladies without a condom and then didn't submit to an HIV test, that's your "rape" charge.

he sounds like a Grade a Dick Eater, but even the prosecution has stated repeatedly and at length. You may wish to use your internet connection for something other then pornography and Mass effect 2>


Like you know investigating.

Just saying.

 

[AlexWinter]

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There weren't any locations on that list that were not obvious terrorist targets. Terrorists didn't attack the world trade centre because they were the biggest/closest buildings around, they did it because they're smart and they chose the place that would have the biggest impact.

They didn't need someone to point it out to them. Also I believe that security is tight enough to prevent any attacks in the future, especially relating to this list.

 

[Saltyk]

and what about us non-americans. there is 6 billion of us out there, you know^^
we would like to know when the us military is again and again murdering innocents or putting people into concentration camps without trial and tries to cover it up. maybe it's for the best of mankind if sensitive information of that kind is getting out, even if or maybe especially because it poses a danger to some people.

I'm all for military accountability. I'd point out that despite everything, our military does avoid killing civilians whenever possible. If you are referring to the concepts of the "War on Terror" which is basically the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq then you can blame our politicians and top military brass.

But do not blame the American troops for killing civilians. They are only soldiers following orders. I've heard just as many stories of soldiers, in the perfect position to fire on enemy troops, which would save their allies, having to wait for an okay to engage. Innocent people die in war. That is unavoidable. There will never be a way to prevent 100% of unintended death in war.

As for Guantanamo Bay, that is a whole other issue. It should be shut down. The people housed within should either be put on trial or freed. End of story.

The precarious situation that the WORLD is in just now is ENTIRELY caused my the American...I'm NOT Americans.

The American administrations have been meddling with and destabilizing the world for their own greedy benefit for DECADES and HAVE to be stopped, By Whatever Means Neccessary.

ANYONE who has a hand in uncovering their dirty tactics, lies and crimes are HEROES..

And about the leaks... I WANT TO KNOW what crimes the governments are responsible for, only then can we do something about it... If people get hurt, then TOUGH SHIT.. they should take more resposibility for the actions they allow theselves to be caught up in.

Then you are no better than the government(s) that you are arguing against. ALL Governments attempt work out policies that benefit them. That is human nature. That's why human society exists. And if you are willing to destroy those institutions by any means necessary, you are exactly like them. If not worse. If you are willing to let Iraqi and Afghan civilians be murdered by terrorists and/or the Taliban then you are just as guilty of murder as those you decry. If you want to make the world a better place than you have to stand for something better than what you decry. Otherwise you create the same exact world that you hate, but with a new face and the cycle starts anew.

 

[Balmong7]

I am openly admiting to not scanning this thread and only posting this to see reactions,

Wikileaks, is the first amendment taken to an extreme, no longer are people saying that they have the right to free speech but now they are using that right to post things on the web that can destroy a nations faith in its leaders,

I am all for freedom of speech but not this way.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

This is a battle between idealism and realism. Anonymous and Wikileaks are the idealists. Think about it for a few moments. It's a matter of people versus government, and a government are powerless if their people deny them.

I totally support both Anonymous and Wikileaks. I have a feeling this is going to set off something big. Something really big, provided people get behind Anon's cause. If WikiLeaks and Assange succeed, it'll be the biggest "Fuck You" a Government could ever receive.

I'm going to follow this very closely.

I am openly admiting to not scanning this thread and only posting this to see reactions,

Wikileaks, is the first amendment taken to an extreme, no longer are people saying that they have the right to free speech but now they are using that right to post things on the web that can destroy a nations faith in its leaders,

I am all for freedom of speech but not this way.

A nation being lead by a leader they do not understand would be worse. Faith in man is utter blindness. People with power, will most likely seek to abuse it. The truth should be uncovered, people shouldn't live a lie. Quite obviously, their faith has been misplaced. People need to stop being so blind and need to stop eating up what they're fed.

People have minds, they should formulate their own opinions. If a destructive truth is what it takes, bring on the change. The power has always been with the people, only people do not know how to use that power. As I said above, a Government is only powerful if their people abide.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

If anything I'll just report ya troll boy. See, I am a disabled vet, and I gave a good chunk of my health, mind and body to my nation. Oh the meds I have for stoke, cancer and just general pain... I don't have to make you happy with a spell checker cause well...

You don't matter. What kind of troll takes a intelligent debate and whines about a typo because they can't counter debate without insults. A troll, like you.

Have a nice day ;p

Ah, forgive me for not buying that. See, if you were as old as you claim, your post wouldn't resemble the confused rantings of a pre-teen. And no, that isn't just the grammatical and spelling mistakes, but the complete lack of logical cohesion and focus between points.
But just in case you aren't full of excrement, my sincerest condolences.

 

[punkrocker27]

Wikileaks? Julian Assange has declared he?s close to exposing a bank - expect him to be dead very soon.

 

[Raesvelg]

I know they are. The point is that they are lead by clever people, who are lead by cleverer people,who are led by clevererer people, who are led by idiots. Just like the government. If I can quite easily speculate a list of targets to disrupt supply lines, I'm sure their leaders can too, seeing as I'm only 17.

Actually it's mostly ignorant kids, led by manipulative idiots, led by manipulative assholes, but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the issue at hand.

Though it does bear certain parallels to the interior workings of Wikileaks, by some accounts.

You be surprised, what if i told you Ross Kemp met a suicide bomber in Gaza that had just graduated from college with a law degree?

I'd say that there are exceptions to every rule.

 

[Carlston]

There is no reason to play this game. So I don't.
I threw up my thoughts. I got the troll basics of insults, grammar, blah blah, I'm such a stupid person.

And in the end all these post either hate the guy, or encourage never ending criminal acts in the name of freedom of information.

And the troll name game goes to the FIRST person who insults another, not the person merely stating a view.

But this is why the internet is so comical, letting inmates make their own terms and rules only ends in this every time, every thread so why bother.

But nothing I have read has changed my opinion on wikileaks or the slime bag who ran it and the impending dangers of letting someone pretend they have information to just make up there own "leaks" to start wars, excalate violence or even just tension and the like.

Oh but I wasn't given any real fact or new evidence. Just a very nicely MS Word pretty message insulting my grammar. Well, gee I must not have a voice or a point then hmm? Right.

So if I read something to change my mind I'll up date it, till then. Play your little troll ping pong games. Real opinions or facts don't matter, it's proven in every thread.

 

[Gasaraki]

In reality, the internet is more like a box, and inside that box is a cat named Anonymous, existing in a quantum state of both great hero and wicked villain until an observer looks inside and is immediately driven insane by what he sees.
Schrödinger's troll...I like it.

 

[CLEVERSLEAZOID]

A man releases dox on governments.

All of a sudden, man is wanted for sexual assault.

Anyone else call bullshit?

I personally am fully behind Assange, and that it isn't just the governments of the world that need a nice tall glass of STFU, but also the fucking media, who are too busy blinding us with bullshit spin stories about how the X Factor was rigged [lol if you only realised that cause you read it in the paper, you're fucking doomed], or bawhawing because we didn't get the chance to hold the World Cup.

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

I'm actually glad Julian Smith is showing Countries that have fallen into the corruptness of mock dictatorships for what they are. Especially the U.S., do you think a country that was founded by rebellion and fought a war with Tyrants would want to have unwavering support and have all opposition silenced when they expose the evils that are against the very seeds of the constitution?

 

[BioHazardMan]

Goodbye 4chan

 

[Leuchtender Soldat]

A man releases dox on governments.

All of a sudden, man is wanted for sexual assault.

Anyone else call bullshit?

BS(Most Likely) or Not, he's gonna disappear.