Anti-DRM Group Aims Bricks At Nintendo
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Powder is miles better than any full DS game. Done and dusted. In fact, that game alone is worth about 10 good retail games, if you judge worth by play-time and fun (which I do, fortunately).bomblord said:
I was generalising a little when I implied all the retail games were shovelware, but I still maintain that I would rather have only homebrew DS games than have only retail DS games, by a wide margin.
Indeed, this is something I can actually support. Wish more groups would actually do this kind of protest than ruin the fun for the rest.Arehexes said:
Do you have any idea of what the FSF actually does?UnmotivatedSlacker said:
First of all, there is no law claiming that Nintendo have the right to disable a piece of hardware that belongs to a customer (they purchased the device, it belongs to them). In any other case, this would be called sabotage.BrunDeign said:
Secondly, the FSF are not pro-pirate, they're a group whose major concern is free software and the right to your own system. That is what this protest is about, your right to run your programs on your system, not piracy or "illegal software".
OT: Well, draconian DRM is bad, can't argue there. I do think that labelling the FSF as an "anti-DRM" group is a bit unfair, they do a lot more than protest DRM in digital products. I do however find the entire article somewhat misleading, it does in no way aknowledge the fact that there are people who want to run perfectly legal homebrew software on their DS, not for piracy, but for the fun of it.
Mailing the CBS execs peanuts was effective because lots of people mailed lots of nuts. But only 200 bricks? Why not mail just the one? If you're going to half-ass something, don't pretend that you're not.
I do approve of the campaign, though.
I do approve of the campaign, though.
You know, I get genuinely disappointed when I read these articles and you aren't there. Keep it up broHankMan said:
Yeah the article (as in the article written by the Escapist) says that the FSF are complaining about not being able to modify their 3DSs. I'm singling that part out and to me "modifications" to your 3DS don't sound entirely legal. At least not in the sense of how Nintendo treats modifications.Arachon said:
I don't know if this sounds rude or not, but you're taking my comment and using it to cover more than what I intended.
And as far as modifying goes, Nintendo has full right to brick your handheld if you do something it can prove is illegal. That's my opinion anyway.
Heh, if I didn't hacked my Wii, I would've thrown it to the garbage a long time ago. A modified Wii is the best thing ever, so I can see why they're so upset with this thing of restrictive TOS and all that. They have my vote... but not my money to send a stupid carboard box.
"Modifications" in this case is basically installing software that has not been "blessed" by Nintendo. Just like installing Linux on a computer that came with Windows isn't illegal (though the gods shall know, it'd be if Microsoft had their way), installing unofficial software on a 3DS isn't illegal.BrunDeign said:
And I don't agree that Nintendo has the right to sabotage your 3DS if they find out you're doing something illegal with it. That would be a matter of law, and should be settled by a judicial organ, not a private corporation.
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What!?BrunDeign said:
So it's okay for you if microsoft makes your xbox red ring, sony stops your ps3 from working, or apple turning your iphone into a fucking glass brick if you do something to it that they don't like, because that's exactly the same as nintendo is able to do with these 3ds' that people already bought.
I can see nintendo, microsoft, or sony banning modified systems from online services or voiding warranty but how can you justify sabotaging a system that has already been paid for
Is this illegal?BrunDeign said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1OT4oSUKtc&playnext=1&list=PL83541840D90ECA84
If you say yes then every single item on your computer that was not authorized by Microsoft is illegal, Wait your trolling me aren't you....well played
Normally I am -all- for going on a crusade against DRM and the evil ToS bullshit that corporations try to slip by uncontested.
But I do not side with them on portable gaming devices. I could at least understand it on a gaming device like a PSP, where you could use the internet on it as well and therefore it serves multiple purposes.
But the DS series has always been a pure gaming platform. It makes about as much sense as raging at Nintendo for not allowing you to homebrew on your Nintendo Gamecube. Bloody thing can't do anything besides game, and there's plenty of alternatives that can let you tinker around.
I guess I understand wanting to tinker for the joy of having a tiny screen that sucks up loads of battery time with uber simplistic controls...but I mean...computer. Hell, laptop. More controls, plenty of crap out there to make your own games. Plenty of software to make your own games on whatever device you want. Going out of your way to break the ToS on a 3DS because you wanna...do something.
Okay, lemme stop my thought. Why? It's the Nintendo 3D-bloody-S. It's backwards compatible. But other than the 3D element, I don't see much of a marked improvement over a normal DS. If it's so bloody outrageous, go tinker with a DS that doesn't have the capability to be bricked. What function is possibly worth the risk? Pretty much any average or better phone can access the internet, higher end phones let you make games for them. I see no logical reason for it.
It'd be like buying a car that you take on the raceways with other people who bought cars from the same dealer. The seller tells you explicitly that you can't modify it, because they want the races to be purely about skill alone. Well you get extremely indignant and modify it anyway, calling them an evil overlord for stopping you from racing.
I'll meet these lunatics halfway though: Nintendo shouldn't brick the 3DS if it gets modified. They should just permanently cut it off from all online interactivity. And then produce all of their games in such a way that they require that connection. That way any moron that does for some strange reason refuse to use any of the other options available to them for doing whatever it is they wanted to do can't play any of the AAA titles being released. And if they complain, Nintendo should mail them a faux brick.
But I do not side with them on portable gaming devices. I could at least understand it on a gaming device like a PSP, where you could use the internet on it as well and therefore it serves multiple purposes.
But the DS series has always been a pure gaming platform. It makes about as much sense as raging at Nintendo for not allowing you to homebrew on your Nintendo Gamecube. Bloody thing can't do anything besides game, and there's plenty of alternatives that can let you tinker around.
I guess I understand wanting to tinker for the joy of having a tiny screen that sucks up loads of battery time with uber simplistic controls...but I mean...computer. Hell, laptop. More controls, plenty of crap out there to make your own games. Plenty of software to make your own games on whatever device you want. Going out of your way to break the ToS on a 3DS because you wanna...do something.
Okay, lemme stop my thought. Why? It's the Nintendo 3D-bloody-S. It's backwards compatible. But other than the 3D element, I don't see much of a marked improvement over a normal DS. If it's so bloody outrageous, go tinker with a DS that doesn't have the capability to be bricked. What function is possibly worth the risk? Pretty much any average or better phone can access the internet, higher end phones let you make games for them. I see no logical reason for it.
It'd be like buying a car that you take on the raceways with other people who bought cars from the same dealer. The seller tells you explicitly that you can't modify it, because they want the races to be purely about skill alone. Well you get extremely indignant and modify it anyway, calling them an evil overlord for stopping you from racing.
I'll meet these lunatics halfway though: Nintendo shouldn't brick the 3DS if it gets modified. They should just permanently cut it off from all online interactivity. And then produce all of their games in such a way that they require that connection. That way any moron that does for some strange reason refuse to use any of the other options available to them for doing whatever it is they wanted to do can't play any of the AAA titles being released. And if they complain, Nintendo should mail them a faux brick.
As you said, it's a gaming platform. One of the things that's nice about handhelds is that you can bring them with you on a vacation and games bought anywhere will work for it, or you can import that semi-obscure game they refuse to publish in your region for reasons unknown. Not so with the 3DS.Sudenak said:
Unlike every other handheld console for the last decade, it's completely region-locked. It's not exactly surprising that homebrew devs get involved.
This is the only reason that I'd consider viable for it. Of course, you could just show your distaste by taking your money elsewhere, but in a consuming-crazed world the mere notion of not throwing money at businesses constantly is considered madness.mireko said: