Anti-DRM Group Sends Nintendo 200 Bricks
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That had absolutly nothing at all to do with this discussion. not even close. the issue is the DRM on the Nintendo system having absolute control of it and they own content you create for it, not personal information getting hacked because it was stored on a server.Psycho Cat Industries said:
off topic, he was wrong in that video. PSN could function perfectly fine without storing any personal data such as CC info or real name/address. that data could be stored on the PS3 and if a purchase is made via PSN that info could be uploaded for that purchase and deleted after it is complete.
Wow are Nintendo trying to be Apple now or something? People bringing up piracy are missing the point completely. DRM doesn't stop pirates, never has, never will.
If you are thinking of this as Nintendo exercising control over their device then you seem to be okay with renting your 3DS from them. If I buy something I own it, I can do anything I want with it (pirating games is a different issue, that is about getting the game without paying for it, not how you use the console). And anything I create with it should be mine, how the hell do they have any rights to a picture I take with a camera they sold me?
This just made it a whole lot less likely that I'll ever get a 3DS. I've always loved Nintendo's products but I will boycott their shit if they start acting this incomprehensibly stupid.
If you are thinking of this as Nintendo exercising control over their device then you seem to be okay with renting your 3DS from them. If I buy something I own it, I can do anything I want with it (pirating games is a different issue, that is about getting the game without paying for it, not how you use the console). And anything I create with it should be mine, how the hell do they have any rights to a picture I take with a camera they sold me?
This just made it a whole lot less likely that I'll ever get a 3DS. I've always loved Nintendo's products but I will boycott their shit if they start acting this incomprehensibly stupid.
I like how peoples standards are so low they can't even think of a handheld device as their own property. Like no one has an issue with some company in Kyoto having the right to reproduce any photos or video taken with the 3DS. Even if the right is never exercised in principle it shouldn't ever be expected to demand such a right.
The same people will be paying subscription fees just log onto services that were once free maybe even compulsory accounts on mobile devices in years to come.
The same people will be paying subscription fees just log onto services that were once free maybe even compulsory accounts on mobile devices in years to come.
Please do yourself a favor and look up "First Sale Doctrine". I don't mean this to sound snarky or smug, but assuming you don't live in the EU (and your profile says USA), it is something you should know.Katana314 said:
tl;dr If I buy X product from you, you don't get any money if I sell it. Sorry. Also, at least there IS a sale done in Used gaming. 1 sale = 1 disk. With piracy, 1 sale can = hundreds of thousands of games
OT: Nintendo, you have two options to deal with hackers. Do the Microsoft approach (at least in this one case) ( http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-offers-free-windows-phone-7-to-geohot-20127466/ ) Or fight your consumers in a war of attrition which will lead to you losing. The choice is yours.
Cadillac does not own the rights to the car I bought. If I want to drop a 455 cubic inch motor that is turbocharged with 1800 horsepower into my 1994 DeVille body, Cadillac CAN NOT STOP ME. Nintendo IS doing that very thing. And trust me, these terms and conditions WILL NOT stop pirates, just good people like myself who like to modify things for the sheer joy of modification. (Or, to put it simply, because they can.)Echo136 said:
I really fail to see how this is good at all? sure it's less hassle for those who ONLY do everything to the letter with their 3DS but DRM... DOES... NOT... WORK, "OH NOES I HAS TEH BRICKED 3DS... Ok all fixed!"
The vast majority of Anti piracy ideas are direct attacks on the legit consumers with those icky pirates people like to spew crap about bypassing it and happily playing a game in 2 minutes that takes legit consumers sometimes 30 minutes to register and set up
This is an attack on the rights of consumers affected by it or not with no actual harm being done to pirates or homebrewers, someone will be able to bring bricked systems back to life eventually
The vast majority of Anti piracy ideas are direct attacks on the legit consumers with those icky pirates people like to spew crap about bypassing it and happily playing a game in 2 minutes that takes legit consumers sometimes 30 minutes to register and set up
This is an attack on the rights of consumers affected by it or not with no actual harm being done to pirates or homebrewers, someone will be able to bring bricked systems back to life eventually
It's funny how measures designed to stop pirates, usually hinder legitimate users.
In other news, giant corporations are lending you devices. When did this trend of buying a PHYSICAL device and NOT OWNING it start? I mean, it's weird when it comes to software, but there I can at least understand it, but with a physical device it's just wrong.
In other news, giant corporations are lending you devices. When did this trend of buying a PHYSICAL device and NOT OWNING it start? I mean, it's weird when it comes to software, but there I can at least understand it, but with a physical device it's just wrong.
How about I go to an abbatoir, take as many pictures of animal carcasses as I can, then send them all to Nintendo.
Repeatedly.
'cos they own the photos.
Repeatedly.
'cos they own the photos.
To people claiming that "The only people who are upset are Pirates" I'mgoing to return with this
-Your only mostly right, yes, the biggest problem people have with it is that it stops piracy.But it also stops people using action Replays, Which Nintendo don't support.(This is aside from Nintendo owning all user generated content,which is because they want to resell any cool mods people might make with onboard tools packaged with games-Consider that, you make an Oblivion Mod and then Betesda start selling it in an online shop ,and if you want to play it, you have to buy it too)
But all that is beside the point, because you want to know the main issue? It won't stop piracy. The update system is software, it can be overwritten. Damn all you'd have to do is stick a screwdriver in the right place(An oversimplification) to knock out the wi-fi transmitter and your good to go.
This is Nintendo's DRM; an anti-piracy system that only serves to piss people off.
-Your only mostly right, yes, the biggest problem people have with it is that it stops piracy.But it also stops people using action Replays, Which Nintendo don't support.(This is aside from Nintendo owning all user generated content,which is because they want to resell any cool mods people might make with onboard tools packaged with games-Consider that, you make an Oblivion Mod and then Betesda start selling it in an online shop ,and if you want to play it, you have to buy it too)
But all that is beside the point, because you want to know the main issue? It won't stop piracy. The update system is software, it can be overwritten. Damn all you'd have to do is stick a screwdriver in the right place(An oversimplification) to knock out the wi-fi transmitter and your good to go.
This is Nintendo's DRM; an anti-piracy system that only serves to piss people off.
Oh, hey, an Ad Hominem attack! That makes your argument so much more persuasive!killamanhunter said:
Oh, no, wait, that's on that You Fail Logic Forever [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever] page. Never mind.
Don't make me quote that poem [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came].Echo136 said:
A few people have mentioned how "the younger generation" doesn't seem to care about consumer rights. I'm with y'all on this point. They seem stuck on the direct effects and overlook the side effects.
I've encountered intrusive EULA stuff directly, twice.
One: "You can't use this guitar controller to play anything except our game." Yeah, and the last time I bought a mouse it said I could only use it for Windows, right? You've no right to be claiming that kind of control over things I now own.
Two: "You can't modify these photos on your home computer because the photo studio owns the copyright to them." Had I been the one paying for those photos, I'd've been mad. You're telling me I hire you to photograph my family and I can't even mess with the pictures I just bought?
Our rights will continue to erode so long as we ignore the potential consequences.
In other words, what theyre doing in the US is illegal in Europe because we have clearer privacy laws? Well I never...
Sorry to clip it so crudely, but it was kinda long for a quote. Anyway, you said a lot of what I've been thinking as I read through this debate.Xanthious said:
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Capitalist: I think a company has every right to make a profit, and that the company gets to decide how best to make that profit and how high to set the bar. But I get my hackles up when a company tries to assert its rights by trampling over the legal rights of consumers... or, for that matter, their ethical rights (such as ownership of the pictures I take, regardless of the equipment I use to take them).
This move won't stop pirates and will hurt legitimate consumers. I think that's enough to concern anyone.
We kind of established in another thread that legal =/= right. I recognize the law, and I see where it is meant to be applied, as well as its justification. I don't have a plan for how I think it should be changed, but I don't think it should apply to everything, including games. For instance, I highly doubt that first-sale applies to services such as a contract with your ISP for the next 12 months.CM156 said:
(Not sure if you assumed it, but I also don't support piracy at all either)
It is kind of nice to hear that in an absolute worst-case scenario, first-sale means that if 1,000 people played your game, at least 500 people bought it.