Abomination said:
[snip]See, that's the projection of a bias. According to me he's pissed someone would harm someone he loves in such a manner and found the action abhorrent. Rape bad. Rapists bad. Revenge!
yeah thats the intention and how its read but my point still stands, there's still a lot of problematic shit there when looked at through a critical eye
again most of the crap you see is for the most part [i/]unintentional[/i] because its a product of our society and our society has issues with women, or if not that the fact that male characters usually get the spotlight more often than not, I can list the dumb archtypes women often get shoved into but we'd be here all day
[quote/]I also believe anything can be used as a plot device[/quote]
yes but that doesn't mean it can't be fucked up royally especially when made by people who lack a certain perspective...see also: the rape scene in Show Girls which mabye not the *most* offensive thing ever was completely nonsensical
[quote/]and in doing so it doesn't "feed" into an idea unless it's one you already hold.[/quote]
whatever ideas one holds will come through via framing, and even then it doesn't nessicarlyl makes somone overly sexist it just might mean x never occurred to them
[quote/]Call me crazy, but a movie about how a rape victim deals with the emotions of the event isn't going to sell as many tickets as one about a guy (or girl) avenging her.[/quote]
we can get into genres/quality/whatsells/the really annoying way people worship capitalism when it suits them later because this point is both vague irrelevant and quite frankly disingenuous
[quote/]What does the movie intend on being? By your description it's an action flick wherein a fellow beats/kills the living shit out of a bunch of irredeemable degenerates. You judge it based on the action scenes, fight chirography, special effects and camera work. A plot device isn't a message, it's just a plot device. Nothing more, nothing less.
When I want a review of an action movie I want it to tell me about the ACTION in the MOVIE.
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these things are not irrelevant
[i/]"I don't want nun ah that thinkin in muh mo-shun pictcha's cuz thinkin ain't waht ah go to thuh mo-shun piccha's for"[/i] <-much like the acceptance of capitalism this is something people ONLY do when somone brings up sexism, you can';t just claim something isn't supposed to be thought about to absolve it of criticism, much like "its a joke" or "satire" are not "get out of criticism free" cards
yes people enjoy dumb shit all the time and YES people judge something for what it is, Everobody loves raymond is a dumb American sitcom but its actually funny for a dumb American sitcom....and it ALSO skirts the line on some tired BS old gender stuff,
if I want to call Everbody loves raymond or dumb action movie sexist [b/]then they are perfectly valid critcisms to make[/b] ESPECIALLY considering both of these things can be considered big cultural fixtures so damn fucking right they are worth anaylyisis and criticism and appealing to the fact theyre "just x" is disingenuous at best and willful ignorance at worst