Apple Brainwashes Gay Cure App from iTunes

[Mrsoupcup]

I know people like this are entitled tot their freedom of speech, but they don't have to be dicks about it. "Curing gay people"? Come on, your just asking to make people mad, they can't honestly tell me they didn't see this coming.

 

[Saikonate]

Is there an 'app' to cure christianity/stupidity too? I'd imagine this fellow wouldn't be very pleased if there was.

Yes because clearly having an interest in religion or spirituality is a disease. Seriously, grow up.

It's as much of a disease as being gay is, which is the point the poster was making.

The problem with the suggestion that Apple should have left it up there in the name of freedom of speech and such is that Apple's previous behaviour concerning their app store leaves no room for them to do that without implying that the company approves of this app. In the context of having removed apps for innuendo and other hilariously minor stuff Apple wouldn't really be able to credibly claim that they're taking a neutral, laissez-faire attitude if they didn't remove this; they would just look like they agree with the sentiments of the app.

This is an excellent point.

if the app makers did truly feel that ?gay? was something you could cure, why do you care?

Because they're objectively wrong and it's awesome that Apple's not allowing such ridiculousness in their store.

e: And as others have mentioned, it's objectionable on the same grounds a "black cure" app by the KKK would be.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I'm all for free speech, but this app is based around something that is wrong. Not just wrong ethically, but all we know points that homosexuality is largely genetic and pretty much every respected psychological organisation does not condone 'curing' homosexuality. It ignores fact, so it's not a valid opinion.

 

[DanDeFool]

People need to realize that freedom of speech only extends to anything not "obscene" or infringing on the rights of others. You can't just spew bigotry and expect to be protected. Good on Apple for removing this.

I think Alan Chambers has every right to have his app there on App Store. He is talking about freedom of information, and that's true: he should be able to place his app there.

All he needs to do is prove that his claims work. He just needs to cure one gay person.

Anyone really, as long as we can be sure that this app can turn a homosexual person into a straight person, I've no trouble at all with it being on the app store. In fact, I'll welcome it. I'm sure that he won't mind reverse-engineering it so you can turn people gay as well, if you so desire.

I mean otherwise, he'd be trying to release an app. that would be attempting to do something that it was incapable of, and he could be sued for damages - and we wouldn't want that to happen, would we?

First of all, to the above (EDIT: Except not really, because the above are saying the same thing as I am) and to everyone who claims this Chambers guy has a point about free speech (which he does), it doesn't matter here because the Apple store is a closed and private distribution network. This means that Apple has the right to decide whether or not they want to distribute your app.

Just as chambers and his Exodus organization have the right to their beliefs about homosexuals, Apple, as an organization, has their right to decide whether or not they want to support this particular set of beliefs by helping to disseminate them.

Secondly, I like how whenever these bigots get their shit slapped down it's always something like, "OH NOEZ! YUR INFINGIN ON OUHR RITE TO FREE SPEECH! DHURR!"

They won't say that they're right, or that their intentions in distributing this stuff are just and wholesome, or even that the public at large wants to hear what they have to say, because they KNOW they can't get any traction going that route. No, they just whine about free speech, as if to say that not only is it their God-given right to say whatever they like (which is true), but we also have an obligation to just sit back and let them spew this tripe in our faces (which is NOT ALWAYS true).

You can ***** about the "evils" of Homosexuality on a public forum or in your own home or church all day if you want, but if you take anti-gay propaganda posters and start sticking them on someone's front door, they have the right to take them down.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Is there an 'app' to cure christianity/stupidity too? I'd imagine this fellow wouldn't be very pleased if there was.

Yes because clearly having an interest in religion or spirituality is a disease. Seriously, grow up.

It's as much of a disease as being gay is, which is the point the poster was making.

The problem with the suggestion that Apple should have left it up there in the name of freedom of speech and such is that Apple's previous behaviour concerning their app store leaves no room for them to do that without implying that the company approves of this app. In the context of having removed apps for innuendo and other hilariously minor stuff Apple wouldn't really be able to credibly claim that they're taking a neutral, laissez-faire attitude if they didn't remove this; they would just look like they agree with the sentiments of the app.

This is an excellent point.

if the app makers did truly feel that ?gay? was something you could cure, why do you care?

Because they're objectively wrong and it's awesome that Apple's not allowing such ridiculousness in their store.

Objective is a rather strong word. Much of this issue is still up for debate, whether you agree with either side. I always hate in debate when one side says the other is ?Objectively? wrong, because that means it is false in all cases.
And for the record, I am somewhat playing the devil's advocate.

 

[ramboondiea]

i dont think apple should have removed it, i do think it could have been titled better tho. besides isnt it just a matter of not downloading the app?

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Edit: Double posted for some reason, sorry

 

[ramboondiea]

i dont think apple should have removed it, i do think it could have been titled better tho. besides isnt it just a matter of not downloading the app?

 

[DuderSkanks]

If he could back up his claims, I still wouldn't tolerate this crap.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that you need to actively target it and say that it's the cause of society's decay, or other shit.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

i dont think apple should have removed it, i do think it could have been titled better tho. besides isnt it just a matter of not downloading the app?

I just find it funny that a community based around ?freedom? got this app removed. And funny is what drives me most of the time.
?perhaps what you see is not justice, but only amusement and irony... two things which I value more?

 

[Saikonate]

Objective is a rather strong word. Much of this issue is still up for debate, whether you agree with either side. I always hate in debate when one side says the other is ?Objectively? wrong, because that means it is false in all cases.

In this case I am using the word correctly. The issue that being gay is a disease (that you can "cure") is offensively incorrect, and not up for debate to any degree. You may as well claim that the idea that the moon is made of cheese is up for debate.

 

[Madman123456]

Seeing that being gay can't be cured this app would violate a certain Law in just about every country that forbids false advertising.
It's really just as easy as that, this app will not do what the developer claims it to do.

Otherwise, i can't see anything offensive about this; If "gayness" could be "cured" then it should be the right of every single gay person to receive that cure if he or she so desires.

Maybe one wants to be able to conceive offspring the "natural" way; not that i consider homosexuality unnatural, you just cant conceive the "natural" way.

I don't think "God" or anyone or anything else has anything to do with anyone being gay, i personally think religion in its entirety is a big scam. It may serve as a handy personal stress reliever for some; when you have faith that everything will make sense eventually, even if its in the afterlife, Life will get somewhat easier. Not easy, but somewhat more bearable.


So if some gay Person wants to be straight, it should not be considered a bad thing; equality anyone?
If that Person decides to be straight, no one, not even a gay, has the right to interfere with that decision.


A real thing to turn a person straight (or gay if that Person so desires) hasn't been invented yet. If it ever would be, every Person should have the right to use it.

Since this App doesn't do what its supposed to do, it is a scam and should not be on the Platform. And that is pretty much the only reason it shouldn't be on that Platform.

 

[Ekonk]

I agree with this app and I am not a christian.

Then you are just ignorant and annoying.

Or a troll.

 

[Wolfram23]

I don't understand Twitter lingo. What does "#freedom" mean??

 

[FightThePower]

Good. It's not only offensive, but wrong.

By wrong I mean it's physically impossible to 'cure' someone of being gay. They've done psychological studies on it in the past and they all failed miserably. Bear in mind this was before ethical considerations came into psychology.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

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Objective is a rather strong word. Much of this issue is still up for debate, whether you agree with either side. I always hate in debate when one side says the other is ?Objectively? wrong, because that means it is false in all cases.

In this case I am using the word correctly. The issue that being gay is a disease (that you can "cure") is offensively incorrect, and not up for debate to any degree.

Why? That is what this debate comes down to. If your points are so much stronger than the other side, you should have ZERO problems with debating them.

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

best title ever

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I don't understand Twitter lingo. What does "#freedom" mean??

Any word preceded by a hash symbol (#) is a tag (hashtag). Repeated uses of the tag can appear on searches and denote trends that appear.

They can also be used ironically, as in #freedomdoesntmeanyoucanbeadick.

 

[Ih8pkmn]

And common sense wins again!

Seriously, what is this, the 1800s? Homosexuality isn't a medical condition, it's a life choice. If a church can't accept that, then what, I repeat, WHAT are they doing with modern technology? They should be discussing how bullshit Darwin's theory while wearing tophats and corsets under candlelight!

...sorry, not a very good metaphor, but still. Come on.

 

[Saikonate]

Why?

Because it would be akin to me "debating" with someone that the surface of the sun is warmer than my living room. The opposition's viewpoint doesn't matter because it is factually incorrect. There are no pros and cons to be discussed, there are no issues to be weighed. We're not discussing foreign policy here, one side is just suffering from a delusion.

Homosexuality isn't a medical condition, it's a life choice

Perhaps you've just poorly worded this, but people do not choose to be gay in the way this reads.