Apple Patents Anti-Piracy Technology

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Vie

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So, they are going to have an Anti Piracy system based on an IR receiver on the iPhone.


Erm, are they seriously proposing an anti piracy system that can be defeated with blu-tack?
 

Kopikatsu

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Korskarn said:
Uh... I think people are reading this wrong. This isn't Apple saying "We decide what you can/can't record" this is ARTISTS getting to say "You can/can't record us".

If an artist/filmmaker is totally cool with you recording them all they have to do is... absolutely nothing. The default option is everything works normally. It's only if the performer prefers you not to record that they set up the broadcast system that shuts down the iPhone.

It's an opt-in system whereby the performer gets to choose whether to enforce their copyright.
Aaaaand look at all the people who ignored this post because it didn't fit with the complaints they felt like making. Shameful, people.
 

irtaco

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Oh, Apple.... You TRY so hard to be evil. Instead, you just look fucking stupid.
 

Asehujiko

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Betting 2 weeks max before somebody gets an IR emitter in a crowded mall that permanently defaces all images and videos on everybody's phones with a 100% opacity, 100% size watermark of goatse.

3 weeks until somebody does the same with child porn and then causes the phone to anonymously tip the police about it with the owners gps data.
 

ionveau

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Apple knows its not going to die thanks to the millions of ten that will blindly buy anything they put out.

Again this will work 100% And it will only harm the fools that are technologically impaired, So from what im seeing this will be Win Win, not for people with iphones.
 

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Remember that Apple intends to make the cameras and mics on their phone much, much more powerful in the future (iphone pics and vids are now the number one contribution to flickster). The "iphones are too poor to pirate with" argument will only remain valid for a few more versions. They're most likely being preemptive with this.

It's still reprehensible.
 

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My only concern here is "What if the band playing wants to be recorded?" I'm not talking about some big-name group playing with all their flashy lights and huge packed stadiums of people, but if this technology works by, say, recognizing that there is a drum, two guitars, and a microphone in the view of what's being recorded, what's to stop this tech from preventing you from filming, say, a high school band who would like to encourage their few fans to tape the sessions so their image can spread.

I'm not saying it would be very important in the long run but Apple would have to be extremely careful in implementing this tech to make sure it only blocks what it's supposed to block, and nothing more, or else they're going to have a lot of complaints about legitimate videos being cut off because the phone thinks they're trying to pirate.

Also, Apple has to realize that they're not alone in the smartphone market. Patenting a technology like this actively prevents their competitors from using it, meaning people who want to be able to record performances with their smartphone may decide to pick up an Android or other competitor instead of sticking to their iPhone.
 

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The only time I see this being useful is for Daft Punk's Alive concerts. And those are as rarer than...alien contact?
 

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KingsGambit said:
Wow! What amazing and revolutionary technology! I hope for Apple's sake no consumer realises that all they would have to do to bypass such a restriction is to not use an iPhone.
For a great many people unfortunately, "to not use an iPhone" is not an acceptable alternative.
 

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Hm... Well I guess if a band still wants people to record them they can just not broadcast the IR signal that disables the phones... But if you do go to a concert that is sending out the signal, does that mean that you can't take a picture or video of your friend goofing off?Or what if you are witnessing an assault and want to get the scumbag on tape so they get put away? Or anything else in the whole venue for that matter? That's pretty dumb... Same with theaters in fact. Unless it can somehow tell not only THAT you are recording in the area that is "restricted" but WHAT you are recording as well it will lock out a ton of what people use the darn things for.

As a little side story, I saw Our Lady Peace at an outdoor venue last year, and during a song the lead singer (Raine Maida) took someone's phone that was recording out of their hand and proceeded to record the band from his vantage point on the stage and then all of the screaming fans before handing back the phone. It was awesome, everyone loved it, and you can bet that video will get posted online and give the band tons of free publicity. Why would we want to stop that exactly???

I'm a big supporter of being able to do whatever the hell we want with our devices whether it was intended by the manufacturer or not. It's mine, let me do what I want with it. If I break the law or something then it's my bad not whoever made the device, and if I do something awesome with it, that's because of ME as well.
 

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Thank you Apple!

You keep making me feel less dirty for specialising in developing MicroSoft based systems all these years.
 

Korskarn

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Duskflamer said:
if this technology works by, say, recognizing that there is a drum, two guitars, and a microphone in the view of what's being recorded, what's to stop this tech from preventing you from filming, say, a high school band who would like to encourage their few fans to tape the sessions so their image can spread.
niceguy191 said:
But if you do go to a concert that is sending out the signal, does that mean that you can't take a picture or video of your friend goofing off?Or what if you are witnessing an assault and want to get the scumbag on tape so they get put away? Or anything else in the whole venue for that matter?
C'mon people, the link is right there in the original post - you can click it to find out how this works.

It's encoded - so it's not going to do anything just because there happens to be two guitars in the room. There has to be a specific signal that says "If any iPhones are out there, don't record this", and the phone will ignore every other signal.

Second, it's IR based - that means line-of-sight and depends on which way you're pointing the video camera. Pointing at your friend goofing off? Totally cool! Pointing at a screen playing a movie? Potentially not cool.

Third, there's a bunch of stuff they can transmit - from "Don't record" through to "Photos are fine, just no video" or "Recording is fine, just no livestreaming". They can even transmit information so your iPhone shows augmented reality visuals like lyrics, artist history, or embed a high-def image of the presentation on the screen behind the conference speaker. It's almost certain that "Don't record" signals (i.e. ones that limit functionality) will be accepted automatically while "Augmented reality" signals (i.e. ones that could potentially rickroll your phone) will require users to accept them.

And ALL of this is opt-in BY THE ARTIST - the performer is the one who decides what signal is transmitted or even if they want to bother to enforce the copyright of the things they spent time and effort in creating in the first place.