Looks like someone's gonna lose their job at Ubisoft soon.anthony87 said:We have people pledging to not buy the last night, not because it looks bad, but because Zoe Quinn got mad just in time for her "memoirs" to come out.Worgen said:
We also have an Ubisoft employee advocating pirating the game.
Like you said, pretty stupid.
Please. There's a difference between depicting politics and exploring them on the one hand, and producing hamfisted propaganda on the other. And then there is the establishment of a goddamn Committee of Censors to determine which kind of hamfisted propaganda should be allowed in games, as appears to be the noble aim of the comrades working in Games Journolisting [sic].Smithnikov said:
I'd be very surprised if he didn't. These guys need to learn how to keep their mouths shut.RaikuFA said:
I'll defend virtue signalling. Half the time when I go to a rummage sale, I'm looking at pristine copies of Left Behind books that were bought in the 90's for the purpose of exuding Christian-ness from their spines. They were not bought to be read for appreciation or understanding, but to signal the virtue of the owners to their fellows. Two decades on, they're being discarded for to make room for newer displays. The owner might never do a single actually Christian thing in their lives, but they engage in a dance of false Christian-ness with their friends with the unspoken agreement that no none calls anyone else out on the abject hollowness of it all. Virtue signalling is an elegant way of describing the meaningless displays of piety that make up this dance.darkrage6 said:
So tell me, what is the political meaning behind Super Mario or Spongebob Squarepants? Not everything has to have some political meaning or statement behind it, even in subtext. The very notion is just insane on the face of it.DaCosta said:
In that sense I don't think gamers are getting any dumber, they were already pretty dumb there too. One of the things I remember noticing when I joined the Escapist was how eager a lot of people were to waive their consumer rights and even defend the companies that were actively screwing them! There's a lot less of that talk around here these days, but it used be shocking just how many people would think that way.Vendor-Lazarus said:
Swooped. And I'd also add that these examples would mean different things to different people. I could imagine Mario being seen as a male power fantasy and SpongeBob as a person who is free and lets all his troubles go (I think. I watched only a couple of episodes)DaCosta said:
See, that's just you guys projecting your interpretations onto those works. Their creators could have had the complete opposite intentions or even none at all. It's the whole "what did the author mean when he wrote 'The sky was blue'?" argument all over again. And even then, what does someone letting his troubles go have to do with politics?trunkage said:
I don't buy that too much. Videogamers in particular seem to easily get their knickers in a twist. Boardgaming circles are fine. Boardgaming continues to grow and it seems far more civil than when I was younger. I absolutely adore my local Netrunner scene for that reason. I get to play with people who want to have fun, not act like an arsehole, then make it a political statement when they're told they're acting like an arsehole.pookie101 said:
Weird. See, my experiences and biases relate directly to my politics. As such, anything I create can carry a political message whether I recognize it or not.Gibbagobba said:
You could easily write a 5,000 word essay on the differential attitudes Nintendo makes as to its intellectual property when compared to other benchmark icons of other companies. The 'why' of Mario. Pretending like you can't find reason in how people use the tools at their disposal assumes a far worse idea that humans are mindless. And I'd hope you'd see the hypocrisy in making assumptions that looking for answers in human agency is somehow an 'absolute', science (nor historiography or even some schools of philosophy) makes no such claim and frankly you're the only one to do do at this point. It's incumbent on all humans to seek out answers when given opportunity, to think why they do things, to think how they do things, and what shapes our motives and our will to power.Gibbagobba said:So tell me, what is the political meaning behind Super Mario or Spongebob Squarepants? Not everything has to have some political meaning or statement behind it, even in subtext. The very notion is just insane on the face of it.
Yeah, that's what it means to interpret a work of art.Gibbagobba said:
Death of the author. I don't care about the author's intentions, I care about what can be gleamed from the work.Gibbagobba said:
I'd argue that and "politics" is one and the same.Gibbagobba said:
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I don't necessarily disagree with any of these points, but you all seem to be missing mine. My point is that while it is basically impossible for people to remove their biases from the things they create, not all of those biases have to do with politics.DaCosta said:
A vast majority of people using "everything is political" or "all media is political" are in fact encompassing all personal opinions, biases, beliefs, and potential messages embedded in media under the "political" banner.Gibbagobba said:
Very true.Drathnoxis said:
