astral projection.
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Can anyone do this? Alright, im biting, ill give this a try. Does the word or sound matter? Id pick project i guess, to focus? Can i go anywhere from floating around? Could i win this prize with this? Can i definitively prove i can see things? For example with my eyes closed and blindfolded, could i read something written on a note on my body? How long can i project for? Does time pass? How long do i need to do this for?Tom Milner said:
I WILL try this. Honestly. Does it take practice or can i do this first go?
By ingesting dairy products and lots of beans, you can have breathtaking power over wind and a little more solid matter. Or... summon up uncontrollable forces of wind.J03bot said:
How's that for a first foray into the ethereal?
It's real, it works. But you must be strong and always have some extra pants on you.
In this case you will be easily able to prove your statement. Just have someone draw anything on a piece of paper, lie down, and do your trick without first looking at the paper. Then the other person puts that paper on your chest and after you returned, you should be able to tell what was on the paper.Tom Milner said:
Alternatively, and if the range of your projection is sufficient, tell us all the colour of the wall of the house currently in construction at these coordinates:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=50.922099,+6.373731&num=1&t=h&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&ll=50.921969,6.373975&spn=0.001393,0.002401&z=19&iwloc=A
Without any kind of proof along these lines (a house closer to you would work too, I guess), you just described basic sleep paralysis.
to answer your questions:BiscuitTrouser said:
1. it doesn't matter, but preferably simple.
2. you can't go too far, otherwise the link to your body will be severed, making it an open target for other spirits to hijack.
3. you can (to a limited extent) manipulate physical objects.
4. your astral form is unbound by your physical form, so a blindfold shouldn't hinder your astral self.
5. you reading skill is unchanged
6. only at night, when you see the sun coming up, get back to your body double time.
7. time does pass.
8. not everyone gets it first time, so be patient with it.
i cannot project that far, i can only travel about a kilometre. and i will look into james randi's offer, it sounds intresting.Thaliur said:
Indeed. There are some strange variations on opinionatedness on this website. Personally, I'm not going to disbelieve it, but I don't generally accept it either. You come up to me "dude, I can read your mind/give you a headache with my thoughts, etc" I'll generally give you a slap and move on. That said, it's interesting to read about...Hero in a half shell said:
the two work on similar logic, i know it's weird, i think it's weird. but that's how it is i'm afraid.Daverson said:
OK, a kilometre, while still impressive in itself if true, is quite a limited range for such house-wall-colour-proofs.Tom Milner said:
I'd just like to add that I, too, was, for quite some time, convinced that I had similar abilities until I realised one day that my room looked different after I "returned". After that, I still did the same, but more as a memory/concentration/relaxation exercise, for which it is an awesome technique.
I started trying to reconstruct text on a page (not just the contents, also every last detail of its arrangement), objects I had on my desk (for example, a pencil, including scratches in the varnish) and later tried my whole room.
I didn't do these exercises for a long time now, but I remember that they, at least in case of imagining my room, really felt like I was leaving my body. Occasionally I tried introducing differences, just to make sure I was still working from memory.
I lost a lot of that ability, but a few years ago I was able to read a book, and later find a specific text passage by leafing through the book until I found the page with the right layout.
It didn't work so well for exams, though. I guess images really do take up more space than text, digital or not...
MY BODY LIES OVER THE OCEAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
MY BODIES LIES OVER THE SEAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'M NO GOOD AT ASTRAL PROJECTION
SO BRING BACK MY BODY TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Not meaning to be an asshole, but I will genuinely give somebody all of my Steam Christmas gifts if they can use their ability to tell me the entire contents of my DVD shelf. It's alphabetised and everything.
This really, really isn't the sort of forum where you want to speak about things like that. You probably want to speak about it somewhere else, preferably where others who actually believe in supernatural events like to hang out.
Also, as a word of advice, I wouldn't say that it's a good idea to speak about it as though it's already a given that it's real. You may have an unshakable faith in it, but very few others will. Talking about the mystical as though everybody believes in it is a one-way ticket on the express train to flametown.
MY BODIES LIES OVER THE SEAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'M NO GOOD AT ASTRAL PROJECTION
SO BRING BACK MY BODY TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Not meaning to be an asshole, but I will genuinely give somebody all of my Steam Christmas gifts if they can use their ability to tell me the entire contents of my DVD shelf. It's alphabetised and everything.
This really, really isn't the sort of forum where you want to speak about things like that. You probably want to speak about it somewhere else, preferably where others who actually believe in supernatural events like to hang out.
Also, as a word of advice, I wouldn't say that it's a good idea to speak about it as though it's already a given that it's real. You may have an unshakable faith in it, but very few others will. Talking about the mystical as though everybody believes in it is a one-way ticket on the express train to flametown.
How do you know that you're not just experiencing a lucid dream? What tests have you run?Tom Milner said:
using the standard "that wasn't there before!" test, i determined it wasn't a lucid dream.BrassButtons said:
I'm not sure what this means, so I can't comment on if it's actually a valid test or not.Tom Milner said:
Presumably, the only way to be certain would be to visit somewhere you've never been before in real life, while astral projecting. An obvious candidate would be the local sewage system, as I doubt anyone here has ever paid a visit to the network of tunnels that prevent cities and whatnot from being huge mounds of poop. (I'd say sh*t, and be all edgy, but honestly, poop is just a much funnier word!). You'd have to map out a small portion, draw it down, don't forget to repeat your experiment, for scientific reasons! Once you've got a nice map of the sewer system from your astral projections, you can compare it to a map of the sewer (which you've never actually seen before) and see if it's right.
If the actual map has little in common with your projected map, congratulations, publish your work and you've got yourself scientific validation. Get it in a journal and whenever someone says "OMG astral projection is just nonsense" you can say "well, actually if you read the article in Respected Scientific Journal, you'll see that's not the case". If it's wildly off, then you've proved that you aren't doing astral projection, which is a minor victory on your behalf, I guess.
If the actual map has little in common with your projected map, congratulations, publish your work and you've got yourself scientific validation. Get it in a journal and whenever someone says "OMG astral projection is just nonsense" you can say "well, actually if you read the article in Respected Scientific Journal, you'll see that's not the case". If it's wildly off, then you've proved that you aren't doing astral projection, which is a minor victory on your behalf, I guess.
That's like saying the only way to prove you can juggle is by doing it with chainsaws.Daverson said:
Here's on possible test:
First, the person who wishes to astral project puts a blindfold on. THis is to remove the chance of them simply cheating (though if the person claims to be able to project into other rooms, the helper could set up everything in another room). The helper then overturns a few cards. When the person projecting 'wakes up' they list what cards they think were shown.
By making a record of hits and misses, the accuracy of the guesses could be compared to random chance. If the person doesn't guess any better than random chance, it means they aren't actually projecting. IF the guesses are better than chance, it means there may indeed be something going on. Then better tests can be devised to try and rule out other possible factors that could lead to false-positives.
The term believing in itself means to purposely perceive false or unproven things as true. So It probably would. As for astral projections? prove it and I will agree with you. If not its the same as psychics and readings etc. Not real, just duplicate it in a laboratory setting. Plus there is no such thing as a spirit and even if there was then you would only be able to internally think as one. Since you have no nerves to process information, and that is whimsical on its own because it implies you can think without a brainthaluikhain said:
