Atheists and Theists are both right

[cuddly_tomato]

Wheras you're saying what? Hate the sin AND the sinner? Or NOT hating the sin or the sinner at all?

I am saying that anyone who hates religion, or atheism, is the one who has the problem.

I am will add that anyone who thinks they positively know the answer to it all and thinks that anyone who disagrees is wrong also has some megalomania issues.

 

[GenHellspawn]

Personally, I think that any opinion about the existence of God or Gods is automatically wrong to a certain extent. When you're talking about things like this, the best you can do is make an educated guess.

 

[caross73]

Wheras you're saying what? Hate the sin AND the sinner? Or NOT hating the sin or the sinner at all?

I am saying that anyone who hates religion, or atheism, is the one who has the problem.

I am will add that anyone who thinks they positively know the answer to it all and thinks that anyone who disagrees is wrong also has some megalomania issues.

So you admit to your own megalomania? Seriously, you have such a black and white view of everyone who dislikes religion, you've become a parody of what you say you don't like. Anybody who hates religion is wholly and entirely wrong. Is that not such an absolute statement? I hate everyone who hates?

Don't be too fanatical about being a moderate.

 

[Chris_24]

@ cuddly_tomato
I'm open to discussion or being persuaded into believing, and I don't think I 100% know whether God exists or not , or the answer to it all even a little bit and I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I'm arrogant in my opinions or the impression I think anyone who disagrees is definately wrong.

@ Baker
Are you talking to me?
If you are could you explain what was wrong with my post and I'll leave quietly and go and rethink my opinion?

 

[Goldbling]

No, automatic respect for religion and belief proposed by moderates merely lays the groundwork for fundamentalists. I say rubbish to it all. Get rid of it all. I don't respect them because they believe in garbage.

Let me put it to you this way. I love my mother and she's a very smart woman. I also think she's a moron for believing in god. I do not respect her for her faith. I actually am ashamed that a college educated woman could actually believe the shit that is in the bible.

Religion and automatic respect for it in all of its inane forms is hobbling this country. It hobbles this world. I will not respect you for ludicrous bullshit. Especially if that ludicrous bullshit leads one to murder nonbelievers.

You poor poor soul, I will never murder non-believers, just you

You should really try making a better argument

P.S.- we can tell your trying to hard

 

[Shycte]

That was good... very intresting

 

[caross73]

You poor poor soul, I will never murder non-believers, just you.

Another hardline moderate; this one talking about killing somebody for their lack of respect.

 

[HannesPascal]

Either god(s) exists whether we believe it or not or they are just a function of belief. In any case it's useless to believe in them.

 

[Crowghast]

My philosophy has always been and shall remian this:

[i\]Whatever you believe, is how the world spins 'round.[/i]

If a man truly, and honestly believes he can fly under his own power... then he can.

Though the fall to his death will most surely kill him, his "afterlife" will be constructed of whatever supernal realm he wanted, consisting of him flying with the birds.

On mention of God, if he didn't exist, I believe someone would have come up with something far more outlandish or mad, or worse.

Proof: Scientology is still here.

 

[Goldbling]

You poor poor soul, I will never murder non-believers, just you.

Another hardline moderate; this one talking about killing somebody for their lack of respect.

Lol, and you don't get sarcasm either, your just such a cute whatever extremist arnt 'cha?

 

[baker80]

@Chris_24: Oh, nevermind me, I was just ribbing on the thread starter a bit. It's just that I always have to laugh a little when I see some random guy come up, all impressed with themselves, because they think they've managed to create the Grand Unified Theory of philosophy by reading the equivalent of a few self-help booklets. It's like those geniuses that just won't stop talking about how they just sure they could produce infinite energy with magnets, if only them scientists weren't so gosh-darn small-minded.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Wheras you're saying what? Hate the sin AND the sinner? Or NOT hating the sin or the sinner at all?

I am saying that anyone who hates religion, or atheism, is the one who has the problem.

I am will add that anyone who thinks they positively know the answer to it all and thinks that anyone who disagrees is wrong also has some megalomania issues.

So you admit to your own megalomania? Seriously, you have such a black and white view of everyone who dislikes religion, you've become a parody of what you say you don't like. Anybody who hates religion is wholly and entirely wrong. Is that not such an absolute statement? I hate everyone who hates?

Don't be too fanatical about being a moderate.

No. I don't care about people who dislike religion. I only care when they try to force their dislike onto others. Are you really saying that being intolerant of intolerance and bigotry is a bad thing?

Glad you weren't around during the civil rights movement.

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

@ cuddly_tomato
I'm open to discussion or being persuaded into believing, and I don't think I 100% know whether God exists or not , or the answer to it all even a little bit and I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I'm arrogant in my opinions or the impression I think anyone who disagrees is definately wrong.

Myself also. I don't believe in god. So it wouldn't make any sense for me to try to tell you there is one. I wouldn't call myself an atheist though as I do believe in a concept of spirit or soul or something... I just can't see a single omnipotent being in charge of everything. But that is just me. It isn't my place to try to make other people see my point of view by using the textual equivalent of blunt-force trauma.

Talk to people who want to listen. Discuss things with those who want to discuss. Teach those who are willing to learn. But please, don't ever preach to those who don't believe what you do. I find it offensive when I get told I am destined for hell for not being a Christian. However I completely understand that it is equally offensive when I tell a Christian that they aren't going to heaven because it isn't there. It is EXACTLY the same shit, just on the opposite side.

There are a LOT of things connected with religion that need to be addressed. God shouldn't be in the law, or in the government, or in the classroom (not taught as fact anyway). But in peoples personal lives and in their own families and communities it should be up to them to practice whatever religion they wish, and they should be free to do so without scorn, abuse, belittlement or prejudice.

 

[Chris_24]

Oh, sorry Baker
I suppose I'm just a little nervous because It's my first time posting on the forum and I'm hoping my first post didn't sound too stupid

Cuddly_tomato
If I came off as trying to force my beliefs onto others, I'm sorry. I thought that since the discussion kind of moved onto talking about beliefs I would post my thoughts. I agree with your last post religous people shouldn't be bothered about their beliefs and should be left in peace to practice their religion, however I still stand by my original post that their beliefs shouldn't be respected (above other beliefs, as they seem to be now).

 

[edinflames]

I can prove god exists right now: The Platypus.
Yes. Yes. And yes. (I just preemptively answered all your questions in reverse order.)

So God is an omnipotent prankster hiding humorous animals around the world for us to find? I guess that's why 'he' created marijuana and republicans...

I think your evidence comes up a little short of proving this theory.

 

[caross73]

You poor poor soul, I will never murder non-believers, just you.

Another hardline moderate; this one talking about killing somebody for their lack of respect.

Lol, and you don't get sarcasm either, your just such a cute whatever extremist arnt 'cha?

I get sarcasm when its done well. What does that tell you?

 

[caross73]

No. I don't care about people who dislike religion. I only care when they try to force their dislike onto others. Are you really saying that being intolerant of intolerance and bigotry is a bad thing?

Explain how telling someone you think they are wrong is forcing their dislike on others.

Explain how I can force an idea on someone.

I could care less if you call me a bigot, bigotry is simply holding onto an idea, and if the idea is good, there's nothing wrong with it. The words become associated with racism, ethnocentrism, all the bad connotations. But being bigoted against stupid? Yeah.

You have an incredibly thin skin if an internet discussion where beliefs are called silly, dangerous or unworthy of respect is intolerance.

People can be worthy of respect, beliefs deserve no quarter. They don't have feelings. And if you can't distinguish the two, you're the one with the silly belief.

Beliefs don't have a skin color. I don't need to tolerate a belief, only the person holding it. Part of what I see as wrong in the world today is the incredible sense of entitlement people have when they are being stupid. That all ideas are created equal. So we get kids coming out of college who think that they can argue all the answers on the test until they get an 'A', its all relative, and then find out that the real world doesn't care how special a snowflake your instructors thought you were.

 

[Datalord]

On the nature of life, our entire universe and everything in it is actually a projection of events happening on a distant 2D plane (redundant i know, but its helps specify), did anyone else read about that theory, it was mention in popsci reccently (or at least there was a link to the study on their website)

 

[edinflames]

Beliefs don't have a skin color. I don't need to tolerate a belief, only the person holding it. Part of what I see as wrong in the world today is the incredible sense of entitlement people have when they are being stupid. That all ideas are created equal. So we get kids coming out of college who think that they can argue all the answers on the test until they get an 'A', its all relative, and then find out that the real world doesn't care how special a snowflake your instructors thought you were.

Word.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

People can be worthy of respect, beliefs deserve no quarter. They don't have feelings. And if you can't distinguish the two, you're the one with the silly belief.

Beliefs don't have a skin color. I don't need to tolerate a belief, only the person holding it. Part of what I see as wrong in the world today is the incredible sense of entitlement people have when they are being stupid. That all ideas are created equal. So we get kids coming out of college who think that they can argue all the answers on the test until they get an 'A', its all relative, and then find out that the real world doesn't care how special a snowflake your instructors thought you were.

Skin colours don't have feelings either. You don't need to tolerate skin colour, only the person with the skin...

Explain the difference?

You are bigoted, and just like the true bigot you can't see it.

Incidentally, respecting a person means not tearing beliefs they hold dear to shreds. If you don't understand that is a part of respect then you are possibly sociopathic as well.

Cuddly_tomato
If I came off as trying to force my beliefs onto others, I'm sorry. I thought that since the discussion kind of moved onto talking about beliefs I would post my thoughts. I agree with your last post religous people shouldn't be bothered about their beliefs and should be left in peace to practice their religion, however I still stand by my original post that their beliefs shouldn't be respected (above other beliefs, as they seem to be now).

Above other beliefs, no. Remember though that people hold those beliefs. They are not individual concepts that you can seperate from the people that hold them. You can't call Christianty a delusion without implying Christians are delusional. Approach the subject respectfully with the knowledge that nobody truly knows what the truth is, and that there are good and smart people on all sides of the discussion, and you can't go wrong.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Better yet, people need to stop thinking they're better than one another when neither can prove anything at all. We all need a little respect for each others' beliefs.

Well finaly, If you belive in the god of Cheese I don't care, just respect what I belive and I'll do the same for you. (never thought someone would agree)