Australian Christian Lobby Compares Games to SAS Training

[mattttherman3]

These guys are just like the chineese governement, in the video game aspect only, stop trying to control stuff that isn't all that bad, adults make adult decisions and will look at what they please, regardless if it is illegal, violent or whatever. The australian gamers simply want the same games as the rest of the world(except certain countries which run what I call an Idiocracy).

 

[Sixties Spidey]

. Do you really think 15 year olds should be playing Fear 2 and AvP?

You'll be surprised how many of them still play em, anyway.

 

[Dogstile]

Based on personal experience, I have to say that this man is annoying, hypocritical and wrong.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

The Australian S.A.S., that's like being in the French army. His arguement is invalid.

(Joking by the way, for fear of misinterpretation.)

 

[electric discordian]

I read the bible last night, went out and nailed a carpenter to a cross, Killed all the first born and released Locusts onto all my local farms.

 

[wildpeaks]

The amount of things I've killed in games must be well into the hundreds of thousands by now. Give me a gun and tell me to kill someone and I'll end up in the foetal position in the corner. His argument doesn't really work.

Exactly, mature games are for people who can make the difference between fantasy and reality, and adults should be allowed to choose for themselves.

I can see why he could think the way he does and he's of course entitled to his opinion, but I disagree, the comparison is too extreme.

 

[Crunchy English]

I'm really sick of this. People need to stop reacting so badly to everything.

No, not the Aussies and their hellish ratings system; they're ridiculous and need to lose the Big Brother mentality that they can legislate morality.
I'm sick of hearing this tagged to christians.

Many Gamers here in America are christian. The less outspoken 95% of us don't give a rat's ass about violence in gaming; save maybe that parents should know their children and handle the situation accordingly. Yes, it sucks that the people who spend there time talking about how evil everything is all seem to be christian. But for cripes sake stop tagging it on the rest of us. We want nothing to do with those lunatics, they speak for us about as well as most terrorists speak for your average Muslim.

I can't speak for everyone, but I just get mad at those lunatics for making it a religious issue in the first place. This guy basically opened his argument with "As a Christian I...". Its not fair to get mad at the Escapists or protestors who "Tag" all Christians with this issue. I mean, obviously Wallace up there who couldn't be bothered to do any actual research doesn't speak for All Christians. But he's claiming he does. He's trying to connect his faith to his argument because it's a cheap trick to connect his argument to morality instead of politics. As a side effect, he's making all Christians look bad. Blame him.

 

[Jadak]

Even accepting the his claim, there's no reason games can't do this anyways without being R18+. Got down on the gore, language, and nudity, and you're barely pushing PG13

 

[Macgyvercas]

. Do you really think 15 year olds should be playing Fear 2 and AvP?

You'll be surprised how many of them still play em, anyway.

No doubt. But a better rating system would make it harder for younger audiences to get their hands on games targeted at an older demographic.

 

[Low Key]

The funny thing is in one case, Jim Wallace is actually right. The military, at least in America, has been using video games to train their soldiers for almost a decade now. It's far cheaper than in-the-field training by truckloads.

Unfortunately, he's wrong in his assumption that kids will start acting out these scenes. Kids play video games for fun. They aren't trying to learn the best way to disembowel a person, unlike the military (well, maybe not to disembowel) who use highly realistic video games to recreate scenarios and battles. Soldiers use video games specifically to train. That's why they play them. It's not supposed to be a frag contest like with kids.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I see where he's coming from, but I don't think he's correct. SAS training (as I understand it) puts you physically in a position where you shoot with an actual gun at humanoid shapes who fall over. Videogames put you in a position removed from the action, in a chair or bed, pulling a button on a controller to kill digital representations of humans, animals, mythical beasts. It's an important distinction to make, the difference between a controller and real gun, and the difference between watching it on a screen and being physically there.

Also, there's the element on outside knowledge. If you joined the SAS, you know youre training to kill real humans; if you're playing CoD, you know you are using a simulation to blow off steam. It takes someone very screwed up in the head to mistake the simulation for real life.

 

[Low Key]

. Do you really think 15 year olds should be playing Fear 2 and AvP?

You'll be surprised how many of them still play em, anyway.

No doubt. But a better rating system would make it harder for younger audiences to get their hands on games targeted at an older demographic.

What would be a better rating system than we already have? If stores and parents enforced the rating system that is already in place, then we wouldn't be talking about this.

I know someone who lets their 5 year old play GTA. They actually buy them the game.

 

[Jamous]

Woooo! SAS training!

 

[The DSM]

Stupid.
*Hit head on table*
Stupid.
*Hit head on table*
Aussies.
*Hit head on table*

Is it just me, or does Yahtzee seem like the only Aussie who likes video games? Even then he was born in Britan.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

. Do you really think 15 year olds should be playing Fear 2 and AvP?

You'll be surprised how many of them still play em, anyway.

No doubt. But a better rating system would make it harder for younger audiences to get their hands on games targeted at an older demographic.

What about ID to buy R18+ games? Allow them, but have it so that when they hit 18, they have to show their driver's license and ID to get the game. A simple solution to a complex problem, right? Or is the problem much more deep rooted than that?

 

[ryai458]

He has a good point christians are extremely reluctant to kill people like in the Crusades, Salem witch trials, and many other wars of catholic vs protestant. Yes christians hating killing, unless you are against their religeon.

 

[Cmwissy]

We are the warriors.

We are soldiers.

We are the destroyers.

We will see this world burn.

We are the creators.

We will see a new world order.


But first Icecrown citadel 10 man.

He has a good point christians are extremely reluctant to kill people like in the Crusades, Salem witch trials, and many other wars of catholic vs protestant. Yes christians hating killing, unless you are against their religeon.

Quoted for incredible truth.

Christians are the gentlest people around.

 

[Bigeyez]

Yes playing Call of Duty is the equivalent of training for Special Ops and learning how to perform a number of specialized tasks that only the best of the best can complete.

/rolls eyes

Well I guess I'm a Special Ops Agent and I didn't even know it.

 

[kaizen2468]

Holy crap I've been undergoing SAS training for the past 10 years!?