Sorry, didn't see. No worries.RJ 17 said:No need to worry, I've already acknowledged that what I said was quite foolish.jonnosferatu said:...oh dear.RJ 17 said:Actually, as a rather disturbing example, there are both men and women who are highly alergic to semen.Kopikatsu said:
But I was refering to what happens if this DNA starts bonding with the person's DNA? I'm not saying they'll turn into some kind of mutant freak, but I'd imagine the possibility for some kind of bad reaction is there.
I'm going to avoid chewing you out on this and simply say that it doesn't work like that. It's very difficult to cause any interaction between DNA sequences from different genomes (i.e. I have done this in the lab and it requires specific growth media and the use of several enzymes just to accomplish it in bacteria, which are very easy to "dope" with new genes compared to mammals), and once foreign DNA makes its way into the cell it will be broken down into individual nucleic acids very quickly outside of some fairly rare circumstances. If you want to insert genes into human cells, you (currently) (nearly) have to use RNA and a retrovirus.
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Australian McDonald's Now Spraying Thieves With DNA
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I also know that the concoction is not actually male ejaculate, and only shares superficial similarities (i.e., it contains DNA and is intended for use on other human beings). Many apologies if I upset you, I was intending much of that post as a joke. The only part of my post that was completely serious was my statement that I found the quote amusing, and that I find this concept to have SOME problems.jonnosferatu said:
Edit: I also find the idea of spraying unwilling people with DNA as a mite gross, but as I said, I guess I'm a bit old fashioned.
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Sovvolf said:
Same answer as Grey day not sure robbers would plan that far ahead 3 years vs life. In the heat of the moment people do all sorts of stupid stuff that increases jail time. However you seem like a person to work with on my new film how to rob an Australian McDonalds. It is a found footage type movie, you in?
Cyberjester said:Apart from two, nice job. Screw the goggles though, a balaclava with head down works even better. They might see eye colour but that's what disposable contacts are for. Two is just crazy. Robbing a place is one thing, actually injuring/killing people will get you hunted. If you shoot at police or anyone the police know you will be hunted down with assault rifles and tactical vests.2fish said:
All in all, a bad fall back.
Azmael Silverlance said:
Cyberjester said:
I'd like to point out that if someone walked into a McDonald's covered in clothes and a mask that it would be suspicious as hell and also if someone jumped out a window they'd likely have cuts on their body as well with a good chance of glass in the wound.
Apparently spending five minutes addressing idiotic statements constitutes losing one's shit around here. I'll inject coagulant to simulate the effect next time.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Covering every inch of it, however, is.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK_Cl_54Qh8
Since people are idiots I'll start over:
It's an OLD system, it's been in the UK for at least a year, maybe two. We've had it available for HOME USE since that time, I remember being shown it at a tech conference way back when.
It uses synthesised chromosomes, complicated but not harmful and importantly: unique. There are millions upon millions of combinations, so the one you're being sprayed by is known.
The spray is easy to set up, put it behind all the windows and doors and when you leave for the night the security system activates. Someone busts the door/window without deactivating? Sprayed by the stuff.
Covering every inch of your body is EXTREMELY difficult, water is pervasive, a hole or gap in your protective clothing and this will get through to your skin and make it's mark. In order to be completely covered you'd need heavy duty equipment (not a parker and goggles) and that will be unwieldy, obvious, expensive and so on.
The stain is only visible under UV and doesn't wash out, it's not water soluble and I was told it resists soaps (lipids) too. Basically shy of scrubbing yourself with iron wool it's staying in your skin for a couple of weeks.
It's an OLD system, it's been in the UK for at least a year, maybe two. We've had it available for HOME USE since that time, I remember being shown it at a tech conference way back when.
It uses synthesised chromosomes, complicated but not harmful and importantly: unique. There are millions upon millions of combinations, so the one you're being sprayed by is known.
The spray is easy to set up, put it behind all the windows and doors and when you leave for the night the security system activates. Someone busts the door/window without deactivating? Sprayed by the stuff.
Covering every inch of your body is EXTREMELY difficult, water is pervasive, a hole or gap in your protective clothing and this will get through to your skin and make it's mark. In order to be completely covered you'd need heavy duty equipment (not a parker and goggles) and that will be unwieldy, obvious, expensive and so on.
The stain is only visible under UV and doesn't wash out, it's not water soluble and I was told it resists soaps (lipids) too. Basically shy of scrubbing yourself with iron wool it's staying in your skin for a couple of weeks.
Well, actually making it common knowledge might prove an effective deterrent for the less adept thieves. If you had to choose somewhere to rob, and you know that McDonald's got this complicated DNA thing that you're not really sure how to bypass, then you might choose the less protected grocery store instead.Proverbial Jon said:
However, it would not really be effective against members of a serious organized crime syndicate, but I don't really think they'd care much about robbing a McDonalds.
Food for thought:
You weren't required to respond to my initial post
You weren't required to respond to my other two posts
You are the one getting worked up about this
An expert in the irukandji jellyfish, knowing the risks associated with going into their waters, took every precaution to cover as much of his skin as possible to prevent exposure. He was exposed by freak chance.
In the case of someone walking through a door spraying a mist of DNA and UV-reactive adhesive, it ceases to become freak chance.
On a related note:
You still haven't adequately defended this statement.
Not sure if the iron wool would do it, actually - you'd have to strip off virtually all of the skin in the affected areas. The only solution I can think of would be covering those areas with a strong DNA endo- (or, less-usefully, exo-) nuclease.Hugga_Bear said:
Maybe I should patent an endonuclease spray and start selling it as a counter...<.<
One thing is its matches a specific McD's and so they go back check the cctv and see no robbery you don't get prosecuted and they've found you a nice solid piece of evidence for your lawsuit for defamation of character, assault and whatever other charges you can think of to get millions of dollars and that employee's head on a tray with fries.galdon2004 said:
They're probably (I'm assuming) using fluorescent tags, which wouldn't be attached to normal DNA. But why would one need to make a DNA mixture of 60 chromosomes for this kind of thing? It's not like if you took cell samples from a glowing robber and stared at the DNA, it would be hard to separate the glowing chromosomes from the normal ones (or, at least, it's not like having sixty kinds of glowing chromosomes is going to make the job a lot easier than having, say, ten glowing chromosomes). So why not just shoot a concentrated amount of 1-10 chromosomes?Cain_Zeros said:
Admittedly I've been out of genetics for awhile, so I could be forgetting something that would explain the reason. But so far it seems unnecessary.
This will still either deter crime or help catch the perpetrators. You can argue that there are ways of avoiding the DNA spray, and that's true - buy disposable clothes, gloves, ski-mask, goggles, and then throw/burn all your clothes when you're done. BUT - that requires planning. Most criminals are stupid/lazy/ignorant people who commit crimes either on the spur-of-the-moment or with minimal thought. Why do so many criminals forget to wear even a simple mask during robberies? It's because they often put one or two hour's "preparation" into robbing a place, or none at all. Criminals are for the most part, idiots. Remember that guy who robbed a store, but not before filling out a in-store job application form listing his real name and address? Or those two idiots who thought that scribbling each other's faces with black marker pen would be an effective "disguise" and tried to rob a bank?
The vast majority of criminals are morons who will be caught by this technology if they run into it.
The vast majority of criminals are morons who will be caught by this technology if they run into it.
From what I can tell:minuialear said:
UV-Fluorescent Adhesive: Used to identify that the person may have been involved in the robbery
DNA Tag: Used to figure out who they robbed
I'm guessing there's either something very easy involved in producing entire chromosomes, or that they're saying "chromosome" because very few people know what "plasmid" means.
