Australia's Internet Filter Switches On In July

[Rainboq]

Boy I bet it's lonely in your little world.

What gave you that impression?

I just wouldn't say anything bad about any of the governments. They have the military and all. So, as a result, I support anything they go for.

And we might as well get rid of piracy and pornography while we're at it.

Hang on, what's bad about porn?

 

[Dirzzit]

Hey lulzsec, I got one last job for you.

 

[Rainboq]

They really should make this kind of thing illegal if it isn't already.

The government(And organizations like this) should have every right to block websites from user access.

So they should have the right to censor their opposition from speaking?

Of course.

If the government had the ability to stop criminals from communicating with each other, organized crime would be a thing of the past. And any other crime would be relatively manageable. So yeah, I don't see what is wrong with hindering organized crime.

I was talking about political opponents. The point is, no one should have the power to choose who can say what, as then the world has to conform to them, no other view points would be allowed to be expressed.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Give control of the internet to corporations and corrupt and/or extremist politicians? What [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran] could [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China] go [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia] wrong [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea]?

 

[Braedan]

Boy I bet it's lonely in your little world.

What gave you that impression?

I just wouldn't say anything bad about any of the governments. They have the military and all. So, as a result, I support anything they go for.

And we might as well get rid of piracy and pornography while we're at it.

Mexican drug cartels have soldiers, should we just listen to them because we have a couple guns then?

Also, pornography is legal, what someone does with their own body is none of your business.

Edit: I know of course that the government has nothing to do with this filter.

 

[Kahunaburger]

If the government had the ability to stop criminals from communicating with each other, organized crime would be a thing of the past. And any other crime would be relatively manageable. So yeah, I don't see what is wrong with hindering organized crime.

Wow, you really seem to trust the government.

 

[JMeganSnow]

As always with discussions on "censorship", I think it's important to note the difference between private actions and government actions.

This is actually a benevolent sort of action, because if individuals are offended by the actions of private companies in blocking access to certain sites or categories of sites, they can seek elsewhere. They can switch ISP's. They can seek out services that enable them to bypass the block. They have options and no one can stop them from taking those options.

ISP's are not under contract to provide people with access to anything and everything. They have the absolute right to control what information flows through their hardware. If they're stupid and irrational about it, they will go under. They are not indispensible.

When a government does this kind of thing, however, THAT is censorship, because it means the installation of legal barriers--the threat of force against those who might choose to violate a ruling.

There is a world of difference between "we're not going to supply this service" and "we're going to confiscate your money, put you in jail, shoot you if you don't obey us". The former ultimately harms only the party responsible for instituting it if they are wrong in their judgment. The latter harms an innocent person not responsible for the decision and likely incapable of influencing it in any meaningful manner.

 

[JMeganSnow]

If the government had the ability to stop criminals from communicating with each other, organized crime would be a thing of the past. And any other crime would be relatively manageable. So yeah, I don't see what is wrong with hindering organized crime.

Wow, you really seem to trust the government.

I was going to say, if government was restricted to its proper functions instead of attempting to dictate people's behavior to them, there wouldn't be organized crime, either. Giving the government more power in order to enable it to deal with a problem that it created in the first place is not the solution. Might as well hire a thief to guard your belongings.

 

[Merkavar]

so its just stopping child porn? thats good so it wont affect me and like everyone else in the country.

wouldnt it be a better idea to not block the websites and just monitor who accesses the site?

 

[Rainboq]

If the government had the ability to stop criminals from communicating with each other, organized crime would be a thing of the past. And any other crime would be relatively manageable. So yeah, I don't see what is wrong with hindering organized crime.

Wow, you really seem to trust the government.

I'd say a little to much....

*reads Little Brother again*

 

[Blaster395]

This kind of stuff has been going on in the UK for years. A law which I think is unique to the UK also bans possession of Lolicon, or anything that may be interpreted as such.

 

[Rainboq]

so its just stopping child porn? thats good so it wont affect me and like everyone else in the country.

wouldnt it be a better idea to no block the websites and just monitor who accesses the site?

Yeah, but that would require them to not have the capacity to block out free speech.

 

[Braedan]

Mexican drug cartels have soldiers, should we just listen to them because we have a couple guns then?

Also, pornography is legal, what someone does with their own body is none of your business.

Edit: I know of course that the government has nothing to do with this filter.

Of course they should. They're powerful than we are. That's the way of things.

Yup, he's trolling, move along.


OT: While I of course don't like any sort of censorship, if they are going to do it I think it should only be for websites which endorse breaking laws.

 

[Fayathon]

It's actually traceable now, it's bloody hard and I think it was only proof of concept but someone ran a BitTorrent through TOR and tracked it in one end and out the other. I like TOR for bypassing what I think of as 'joke' restrictions; the kind no one seriously expects the moderately tech savvy to actually obey but I'd be leery about using it when your arse is on the line.

It's only really traceable if you're being stupid or have someone trying to actively track you down. For regular users Tor is simply a way to access sites and content that they're government or ISP has deemed 'unclean' or whatever the nom de jour for this shit is. I don't and never will suggest using Tor for 'legally ambiguous' activities, as that is not what it is intended for.

Of course.

If the government had the ability to stop criminals from communicating with each other, organized crime would be a thing of the past. And any other crime would be relatively manageable. So yeah, I don't see what is wrong with hindering organized crime.

If you honestly believe that any government wouldn't massively step over any boundary and use the power to censor the internet to further its own political agenda and silence all other political views then you are either incredibly naive or you were dropped on your head as a child. Give the government any power over anything and they will abuse it, period.

I may not agree with using the internet for illicit acts, but I sure as hell don't agree with Big Brother telling me what I can and can't do on a nationless entity.

Also, you forget, the army is comprised of people who are citizens of the nations they serve, if the national government pisses everyone off the whole army will turn against them and they then have no troops. Agreeing with someone because they have perceived 'muscle to force the issue' is like siding with a bully against your best friend just so you don't get your ass kicked. In the end you will be left friendless and broken due to abuse.

Edit: Fuck my life, I'm not replying any more to you, your methods are good, and it's been a long time since I've been trolled this well. I tip my hat to you and bid you good day.

 

[RicoADF]

well I sent a complaint to my ISP (Optus), not much else I can do atm.

 

[FaithorFire]

If the government had the ability to stop criminals from communicating with each other, organized crime would be a thing of the past. And any other crime would be relatively manageable. So yeah, I don't see what is wrong with hindering organized crime.

Wow, you really seem to trust the government.

I'm surprised anyone actually downloaded and installed the "Obedience Virus"