Bad game, good sequel?

[tgbennett30]

4. System Shock 2 > System Shock. Again, I have nothing against system shock 1, but SS2 is superb.

THIS, oh yes indeedy

 

[JesterRaiin]

I'm not sure about mainstream, but i think "Dreamfall" - "The Longest Journey's" sequel is better in every way than it's predecessor. I really never understood what people saw in first part...

 

[Gennadios]

Baldur's Gate 2 ... All better then the originals

BG1 didn't age well, but it's still the first and greatest of the infinity engine games. OP was only asking for mediocre first installments.

 

[Knife]

I don't see how Warcraft2 was better than Warcraft, really, excepting the obvious stuff due to better technology being available and so on, it was a rehash and refinement of something that had worked before.

Warcraft3, however, went in a very different direction, with it being based around heroes, small maximum unit numbers, and proper AI allies, as well as units that weren't exactly the same as their counterparts on the other side. The story was alot stronger as well.

Not trying to bash you or anything, but have you even played the first warcraft personally? The amount of different units was very limited, there were no water and air units, no oil resource, far less spells, the controls were pretty much unwieldy, you had to build your structures next to each other, you couldn't pick more than 4 units simultaneously, I'm pretty sure it didn't have control groups and mission objectives were even more primitive than warcraft 2. Its like saying a chocolate cake is a rehash and refinement of an oreo. And while warcraft 3 including hero characters was pretty revolutionary at the time, and the addition of 2 new factions that felt different was a nice addition, I'd say the story only went downhill from there. There was never any good story reason why 3 out of the 4 factions fought each other through 4 campaigns except "oh, look at them, they are different" and I doubt it was some witty racism commentary. And the 4th faction motivations were weird at best. And ofcourse the big boss gets killed by a tree and willow wisps... how epic...

 

[Wintermoot]

Initial D Street Stage.
the original PSX game sucked! it was to realistic Street Stage on the other hand is the best racing game EVER! (except maybe for the arcade version I never got to play)

 

[Catchy Slogan]

The only thing I can think of at the moment would be Assassin's Creed II > Assassin's Creed.

I know the first one wasn't that bad, but the second was everything the first should have been and more.

 

[RetardedKitty]

I never played Silent Hill series but from what I get it wasn't received very well where Silent Hill 2 is known till now.

We can speculate that at the same point we can say that Skyrim Will be Better than Oblivion.

 

[band43seat]

team fortress 1, maybe, i dont know, but i do know this, megaman battle network 4 was shit, but battle network 5 was the best in the battle network series, followed closly by 3

 

[cybran]

two worlds 2 > two worlds 1

the sequal is really worth playing

 

[Teckdeth]

Kind of obvious but Spiderman 2, one of the only good film based games. Anyone remember Spiderman 1? Web slinging on clouds was fun -.-

 

[Thaluikhain]

Not trying to bash you or anything, but have you even played the first warcraft personally? The amount of different units was very limited, there were no water and air units, no oil resource, far less spells, the controls were pretty much unwieldy, you had to build your structures next to each other, you couldn't pick more than 4 units simultaneously, I'm pretty sure it didn't have control groups and mission objectives were even more primitive than warcraft 2. Its like saying a chocolate cake is a rehash and refinement of an oreo.

I do take your point, but to me, those things are refinements on what they have already. Selecting 9 units instead of 4, more spells for your mages, one more type of resource and so on are definite improvements, but nothing that exciting, IMHO. The addition of water units changed the way levels could be constructed (air units, not so much), and it was great not having to muck about with roads, but otherwise it felt much the same.

And while warcraft 3 including hero characters was pretty revolutionary at the time, and the addition of 2 new factions that felt different was a nice addition, I'd say the story only went downhill from there. There was never any good story reason why 3 out of the 4 factions fought each other through 4 campaigns except "oh, look at them, they are different" and I doubt it was some witty racism commentary. And the 4th faction motivations were weird at best. And ofcourse the big boss gets killed by a tree and willow wisps... how epic...

Although, yeah, finding reasons for them all to fight each other all the time got a bit dubiouys, IMHO, it mostly worked. Also, having 4 campaigns one after the other from different PoV, rather than picking one and fighting the same almost identical enemy again and again on different base building levels was a big improvement, IMHO. Sticking actual characters, even if they got OtT and silly or confusing at times helped the story alot, IMHO.

I also liked what they did to the various landscapes, they put a bit of effort into giving them character, rather than the previous palette swap, though alot of that was level design.

(I thought the Night Elf motivations made sense personally "Hey kids, get off my lawn...WTF is that, come back and stand between it and me". Also, the ending cutscene wasn't great, not, but I did like the ending level, though not so much when I lose by 45 seconds.)

 

[ssgt splatter]

Ok, I know I'm asking for trouble here but every new CoD game that comes out is better than the last one thus it is a better sequal/game than the last game.

...and cue the rabid responses from the people who think I'm an idiot and that CoD is no longer a relavent game and is gay or some variation of that.

 

[imnot]

Ok, I know I'm asking for trouble here but every new CoD game that comes out is better than the last one thus it is a better sequal/game than the last game.

...and cue the rabid responses from the people who think I'm an idiot and that CoD is no longer a relavent game and is gay or some variation of that.

You are an idiot CoD is no longer a relavent game and is gay!
I joke of course.
[small]lie[/small]

OT: I cant think of any that I played, so I'll say Two worlds, I hear thats better.

 

[Vivi22]

Assassin's Creed. I don't care what anyone says, once you got past the novelty of the setting, the joy of freerunning and after completeing the same mini objectives 500 times... the game was a total bore.

Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood were absolute masterpieces.

Also Resident Evil, how anyone could possibly consider that game a classic I'll never know! RE2 and RE3 were far better.

/controversy

Assassin's Creed is basically the poster child for this. I outright tell everyone I've ever talked to about the series that AC was a terrible game with a lot of good ideas that never came together into anything worth playing. AC2 utterly blew me away though with how much of an improvement it was. That was the game AC should have been.

And if we're talking about Resident Evil pre-remakes/director's cut then I completely agree with you. RE2 and RE3 are vastly superior for having auto-aim alone. That's without even mentioning what an awesome job RE2 did of telling two concurrent story lines, or RE3's addition of different paths to take and Nemesis actually hunting you from one area to another whenever he showed up.

 

[ABLb0y]

Silent Hill 2 > Silent Hill 1
Silent Hill Homecoming > Silent Hill 0rigins
Dead Space 2 > Dead Space 1
Portal 2 > Portal 1
Saints row 2 > Saints row 1
The Lost and Damned > GTA 4
Kane and Lynch: Dog Days > Kane and Lynch: Dead Men
Red Dead Redemption > Red Dead Revolver
Final Fantasy 13 > Final Fantasy 12

 

[Vivi22]

Silent Hill 2 > Silent Hill 1
Dead Space 2 > Dead Space 1
Portal 2 > Portal 1

In these cases though the original game wasn't actually bad. Haven't played enough of the others to really comment.

Final Fantasy 13 > Final Fantasy 12

And this statement is just plain wrong, but whatever. If you actually liked FF13 more than 12 then it just shows there's no accounting for crazy.

 

[cefm]

Hmmm...was Dune any good? Because Dune2 is hailed, rightly or wrongly, as being the first RTS game, and so much of it can be seen in later games.

Probably a good example. Dune 1 was a turn-based strategy, so the change to RTS the sequel introduced was a huge update to the whole field of gaming. As a game Dune 1 was kinda cool if you were into the books, but suffered from technology limitations and was fundamentally broken in its internal workings. At least in the PC version there was just something totally wrong with the basic setup because in each play-through there was a chance that your first encounter with enemy units would come before you'd unlocked a key weapon (you have no control over this - it's just a random result). If you get to the weapons first then you can play the rest of the game. If the enemy attacks before you get the weapons, then you lose - one enemy unit wipes out your entire army. So for a lot of people, Dune 1 sucked. For those who got lucky and avoided the glitch, it was kinda cool.

 

[snagli]

Half Life 2 was a bajillion times more fun than the original
Team Fortress 2 was a quadranazillion times more fun than Team Fortress Classic
Left 4 Dead 2 was... well, a lot better than Left 4 Dead

Valve is pretty damn good at making sequels (except for maybe Portal 2, which is almost a different game than the original, which is why I can't compare them, even though I REALLY loved both of them). I hope this will be the same for DoTa 2 and maybe CS: Global Offensive.

 

[chronicfc]

Saints Row -> Saints Row 2, to me SR 2 just felt much more "fun" the SR1