Supporting bigoted views is never 'being decent to one another'. People need to stop pretending that things like White Supremacy is ok just because some of them say please and thank you between racist statements.Nick Calandra said:
Banned Escapists To Be Granted Amnesty On New Forums.
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People are complicated. I think what Trump was saying in his usual bumbling way with the infamous "good people on both sides" is that some of the people on both sides, bereft of context, would behave in no way that'd lead you to think they were either with the nazis or with the communists fighting in the streets.
So yeah, civility means just that, you can't expand civility to include political opinions. Civility is just saying please and thank you as you steal, rape and murder your way through life to the best that your power will allow. If you want another thing, you gotta pick another value to uphold, because civility isn't it. Liberalism or something like that, maybe?
So yeah, civility means just that, you can't expand civility to include political opinions. Civility is just saying please and thank you as you steal, rape and murder your way through life to the best that your power will allow. If you want another thing, you gotta pick another value to uphold, because civility isn't it. Liberalism or something like that, maybe?
See, I can agree with this statement, as is. Yes, Nazi bad. Racial supremacy bad. Agreed? Agreed.Saelune said:
Now here's where you lose me. I never saw this, and coming from you, I'm going to have to take it with a grain of salt. You call everyone a Nazi to the point where it's a punchline when I see you say it [footnote]I know you're aware of "our obsession" with you on the discord server, but let me be very clear here. It's not YOU, Saelune, that we are specifically enthralled with. It's how you've become the embodiment of the hysterical, discharitable, and quite frankly, brainwashed extreme of the Extreme Left of the political compass. The -idea- of Saelune has transcended the person. You're the negative stereotype of the afroed blackman joyfully chowing down on watermelon and chicken. So absurd, and even insulting that all you can do is laugh.
And don't have any illusions about the frequency either. I doubt you get mentioned even once a month, but you'll be mentioned in question like "who actually does this?" "Probably Saelune" because its a meme.[/footnote]
And this is where you've gone completely off the rails. No one needs to prove they're not a Nazi. You should just assume that they aren't. I don't know how long and how many chances you "gave" to Lunatic, but unless he was praising Hitler and saying that the Jews are a problem (something, I might add, he's never done behind our closed doors, even though the floor is open for him to do so), then there's nothing for him to prove. I could accuse you of being a Nazi, and say you've never proven to me you're not one. Anything you've said against Nazis is just lip-service to hide among us good folks. Then those accusations could stand around as I repeat them over and over, even to the community manager, and hope that the lie repeated long enough becomes the truth. For you and Lunatic, it already has.
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it. It's that kind of environment I'm still worried about existing that keeps me from coming back. I could come back, invest myself into the community again, and then deal with all the heartache and drama that unfolds when I get dog-piled for not agreeing with some of the users here, and then eventually banned from what had become my hangout place, or I could just skip it all and talk with people in Youtube comments, because they have been far less combative than what I have to deal with here. You and I both know Youtube comments have a reputation, so either I'm in a nice corner of the website, or this site is that toxic.Nick Calandra said:
Hell, a year and a half ago on my last post, I mentioned a video that used academic techniques to study something, and when I called it as such, I had people quoting me trying to debunk everything I said, including that a Youtube video can't be academic because it's not from an academy. No one actually wants to have a conversation anymore, and would rather "win" the discussion. Bonus points for flustering your opponent and getting them warned/banned when they reply in a tone you encouraged by being overly dismissive.
Thank you for the invite, and I will keep it in mind. Be sure though, if the site's culture doesn't feel more open to new people and ideas, I'm not going to be very invested, and any posts I would make will take on a more flippant and possibly trolly tone. I'm not a mean guy, but I do like to poke sleeping bears if they make it look fun. Many people here wear their vulnerabilities out on their sleeves, so when they've buried their heads in the sand during a conversation, it gets hard to not go for the obvious target to get them riled up for shutting down the talks. Saelune can attest to that back in the Wild West and one tiff we had there. Oddly, that mean jab actually worked and we had a much more honest conversation afterwards.
For what it's worth I quite like the look of what I'm reading from the new EIC.
I'm not really much of a forum guy these days and this is the first time I've checked this place out in over a year or so but I'd be more than happy to give the V2 forums a looksee at some stage.
I'm not really much of a forum guy these days and this is the first time I've checked this place out in over a year or so but I'd be more than happy to give the V2 forums a looksee at some stage.
We both know the main reason somebody gets a warning here is because of insensitive comments on a sensitive topic or being inflammatory in general. That's how I've got warnings, that's how you've got them too. If somebody really is that clear in their despicable intentions, they will get escorted to the figurative door quickly enough even with a temporary clean slate. There is no hydrophonic time chamber where one can train to become a Super Nazi troll.Saelune said:
You saw the post he got banned for, right? The 'evidence' isn't hard to find.Signa said:
In the post he was banned, he was saying literal nazis brandishing weapons were merely "white people" who were simply practicing their "freedom of speech". He also tried to draw parallels between literal nazis and some of the activists in the Black Lives Matter movement.
If what you say is correct, and Lunatic is actually not like this in real life, then that doesn't let him off the hook. Because that means he was trolling, and so his ban is still legitimate. Because he shouldn't be trolling.
I've heard something similar with regards to terms like "elites" or what have you. I think this is just the actual corrupt people in power (globalists and others) using antisemitism as a shield to deflect valid criticism. Because pointing out someone's corruption is antisemetic if they happen to be jewish apparently.IceForce said:
While that one took me by surprise, looking into it "globalism" actually is commonly used by white supremacists and the like to refer to some Jewish conspiracy or other. It seems it's a pretty new thing, though.IceForce said:
Perhaps your inability to see someone's bigotry is not MY problem? Your bottom paragraph tells me that maybe the problem here is your own perception of things.Signa said:
People do not need to prove they are NOT a Nazi, until they do or say racist things that Nazis tend to do. If I find some white hooded robes in someone's closet, I would get suspicious. I actually give far more benefit of the doubt than you know. Unfortunately, it tends to fall through.
As Red Sentinel said, The Lunatic is unquestionably racist, and if you cannot see that from his banned post, thats your failing, not mine.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I do think plenty of warnings and even bannings have been unjustified, but I also think the proof of that is also already there, since you can look at the warned post and read it. You can usually tell the difference between someone getting punished for saying racist shit, and someone being punished for calling out the racist shit.McElroy said:
Seriously though, thanks for justifying my views of your group. When you and others who oppose me say stuff like this, it just reassures me I am right as well as swells my ego. I often wonder if I have any impact on the world. Clearly I do. ThanksSigna said:
If the (surviving) people/users, some who later also became mods, caused this divide and attempts to make it an echo-chamber..Then listening to them and keeping the rules that allowed them to flourish will only be repeating the mistake.Nick Calandra said:
If you don't honestly want an echo-chamber..don't make current (or past) Escapist mods keep their title. Especially any doxxers.
Change the rules, and change the game.
P.S. Given the title of this thread, what it has turned into is quite ironic.. what with banned members having to be vetted by those that did the banning. Not off to a great start here.
Not seeing much activity on the new forum yet and hope people are moving there. This one is and has been broken. Not only is the new forum working, it has features like the ability to add attachments and a like button this place could have used years ago. I'm sure the worst of the worst will quickly be banned again.Vendor-Lazarus said:
The best answer in this thread. It sucks you got shit from people who claim to be SJW's, alt right, or whatever they want to identify themselves as for egotistical and stupid pride reasons. I can already tell you're a cool guy. You'll do great. Don't let any of those bitches-in-a-box-stand tell you differently. What I seen so far, the V2 forums are in great hands. If you need any advice on forum moderation, I recommend asking the mods on the Devil May Cry forums. They usually know when the spot bullshit immediately.Nick Calandra said: