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Nick Calandra said:
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Saelune said:
The Lunatic. The Lunatic is a Nazi but it took for fucking ever for them to finally be banned for it.
Lunatic was banned before Nick even made an account here. Let's give him a chance to prove himself and not drag up baggage from before his time.
This thread is literally about letting Lunatic (and everyone else) back in again.

People have a right to be concerned.
We're not letting "everyone" back in. The current mods are informing me of folks that really shouldn't be let back in for a variety of reasons. I've heard enough about some folks to know they're not getting back in. We're just talking smaller infractions here, and again, it's a case by case basis.
Just so you're clear here, Nick, "Nazi" is a word that's being thrown around at those that aren't allowed to defend themselves, because some people here are not willing to ignore or engage with them. I've been in a Discord server with a bunch of these Escapist pariahs for over two years now, and not one has been seen spouting national socialist ideals, or even white supremacist ideals. Not even in private with others who have been forced out or wronged by this community for not agreeing with everything that's said.

Skipping over the 5 or so ranty topics that just popped into my head that don't really need to be addressed unprompted, I hope you're taking the information you receive with a grain of salt, from literally everyone. There's been a lot of bad blood between two sides of the community, and even the mod team, and no one that I see still posting here will ever give someone a charitable chance if they disagree with something they said. I don't envy you throwing yourself into the middle of it all, and I hope they don't tear you apart. From what I've seen while I occasionally lurk, you're an actually cool dude that's probably going to bow to the pressure from the very loud, obnoxious people still posting here, still making participation in this community impossible if you're not already part of the in-group. I'd like to join your V2 forums, and get a fresh start, since I've been related to this community for a third of my life, but the lack of openness and welcoming I've seen will prevent that. If this is to be the fresh start you want it to be, everyone should be let back in so you can ban the ones that actually misbehave, instead of letting that bad blood get in the way all over again.

Good luck out there.
I'm looking at tangible evidence when it comes to not letting some people back in. I get it from both sides lol. Facebook thinks we're all SJWs, Twitter thinks we're all alt-right...

As long as people are decent to one another I'm not going to bow to pressure on that. Not everyone is going to agree with my policies, but I'm not taking sides with one part of the community or the other.

This is another aspect where Gaddo and I butted heads all the time because he wanted this place to be the perfect echo chamber of perfect ideals, and I'm not about that. There's lines you don't cross and any reasonable person understands that. If they show a pattern of engaging in bad faith behavior, it's pretty clear and I've done this long enough to know what to look for.

There's always going to be someone that takes what I say and twist it, but I know what I'm doing and I'm confident we can have a fun and inviting forum with different points of view and the world will be OK.

You're more than welcome to join V2.
Supporting bigoted views is never 'being decent to one another'. People need to stop pretending that things like White Supremacy is ok just because some of them say please and thank you between racist statements.
 

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Saelune said:
Nick Calandra said:
Signa said:
Nick Calandra said:
Red Sentinel said:
Drathnoxis said:
Saelune said:
The Lunatic. The Lunatic is a Nazi but it took for fucking ever for them to finally be banned for it.
Lunatic was banned before Nick even made an account here. Let's give him a chance to prove himself and not drag up baggage from before his time.
This thread is literally about letting Lunatic (and everyone else) back in again.

People have a right to be concerned.
We're not letting "everyone" back in. The current mods are informing me of folks that really shouldn't be let back in for a variety of reasons. I've heard enough about some folks to know they're not getting back in. We're just talking smaller infractions here, and again, it's a case by case basis.
Just so you're clear here, Nick, "Nazi" is a word that's being thrown around at those that aren't allowed to defend themselves, because some people here are not willing to ignore or engage with them. I've been in a Discord server with a bunch of these Escapist pariahs for over two years now, and not one has been seen spouting national socialist ideals, or even white supremacist ideals. Not even in private with others who have been forced out or wronged by this community for not agreeing with everything that's said.

Skipping over the 5 or so ranty topics that just popped into my head that don't really need to be addressed unprompted, I hope you're taking the information you receive with a grain of salt, from literally everyone. There's been a lot of bad blood between two sides of the community, and even the mod team, and no one that I see still posting here will ever give someone a charitable chance if they disagree with something they said. I don't envy you throwing yourself into the middle of it all, and I hope they don't tear you apart. From what I've seen while I occasionally lurk, you're an actually cool dude that's probably going to bow to the pressure from the very loud, obnoxious people still posting here, still making participation in this community impossible if you're not already part of the in-group. I'd like to join your V2 forums, and get a fresh start, since I've been related to this community for a third of my life, but the lack of openness and welcoming I've seen will prevent that. If this is to be the fresh start you want it to be, everyone should be let back in so you can ban the ones that actually misbehave, instead of letting that bad blood get in the way all over again.

Good luck out there.
I'm looking at tangible evidence when it comes to not letting some people back in. I get it from both sides lol. Facebook thinks we're all SJWs, Twitter thinks we're all alt-right...

As long as people are decent to one another I'm not going to bow to pressure on that. Not everyone is going to agree with my policies, but I'm not taking sides with one part of the community or the other.

This is another aspect where Gaddo and I butted heads all the time because he wanted this place to be the perfect echo chamber of perfect ideals, and I'm not about that. There's lines you don't cross and any reasonable person understands that. If they show a pattern of engaging in bad faith behavior, it's pretty clear and I've done this long enough to know what to look for.

There's always going to be someone that takes what I say and twist it, but I know what I'm doing and I'm confident we can have a fun and inviting forum with different points of view and the world will be OK.

You're more than welcome to join V2.
Supporting bigoted views is never 'being decent to one another'. People need to stop pretending that things like White Supremacy is ok just because some of them say please and thank you between racist statements.
Being bigoted is not being decent. You and I are on the same page on this stuff, even if I voice it differently and not with so much absolution. At this point we're going back and forth on hypotheticals. When the time comes, if it does, it'll be taken care of.
 

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People are complicated. I think what Trump was saying in his usual bumbling way with the infamous "good people on both sides" is that some of the people on both sides, bereft of context, would behave in no way that'd lead you to think they were either with the nazis or with the communists fighting in the streets.


So yeah, civility means just that, you can't expand civility to include political opinions. Civility is just saying please and thank you as you steal, rape and murder your way through life to the best that your power will allow. If you want another thing, you gotta pick another value to uphold, because civility isn't it. Liberalism or something like that, maybe?
 

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Saelune said:
Nazi is a word to describe White Supremacists
See, I can agree with this statement, as is. Yes, Nazi bad. Racial supremacy bad. Agreed? Agreed.
...like The Lunatic who was blatantly racist against black people.
Now here's where you lose me. I never saw this, and coming from you, I'm going to have to take it with a grain of salt. You call everyone a Nazi to the point where it's a punchline when I see you say it [footnote]I know you're aware of "our obsession" with you on the discord server, but let me be very clear here. It's not YOU, Saelune, that we are specifically enthralled with. It's how you've become the embodiment of the hysterical, discharitable, and quite frankly, brainwashed extreme of the Extreme Left of the political compass. The -idea- of Saelune has transcended the person. You're the negative stereotype of the afroed blackman joyfully chowing down on watermelon and chicken. So absurd, and even insulting that all you can do is laugh.
And don't have any illusions about the frequency either. I doubt you get mentioned even once a month, but you'll be mentioned in question like "who actually does this?" "Probably Saelune" because its a meme.[/footnote]
They had their chance to prove they were not a Nazi for the many years they were here prior to being banned.
And this is where you've gone completely off the rails. No one needs to prove they're not a Nazi. You should just assume that they aren't. I don't know how long and how many chances you "gave" to Lunatic, but unless he was praising Hitler and saying that the Jews are a problem (something, I might add, he's never done behind our closed doors, even though the floor is open for him to do so), then there's nothing for him to prove. I could accuse you of being a Nazi, and say you've never proven to me you're not one. Anything you've said against Nazis is just lip-service to hide among us good folks. Then those accusations could stand around as I repeat them over and over, even to the community manager, and hope that the lie repeated long enough becomes the truth. For you and Lunatic, it already has.

Nick Calandra said:
This is another aspect where Gaddo and I butted heads all the time because he wanted this place to be the perfect echo chamber of perfect ideals, and I'm not about that. There's lines you don't cross and any reasonable person understands that. If they show a pattern of engaging in bad faith behavior, it's pretty clear and I've done this long enough to know what to look for.

There's always going to be someone that takes what I say and twist it, but I know what I'm doing and I'm confident we can have a fun and inviting forum with different points of view and the world will be OK.

You're more than welcome to join V2.
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it. It's that kind of environment I'm still worried about existing that keeps me from coming back. I could come back, invest myself into the community again, and then deal with all the heartache and drama that unfolds when I get dog-piled for not agreeing with some of the users here, and then eventually banned from what had become my hangout place, or I could just skip it all and talk with people in Youtube comments, because they have been far less combative than what I have to deal with here. You and I both know Youtube comments have a reputation, so either I'm in a nice corner of the website, or this site is that toxic.

Hell, a year and a half ago on my last post, I mentioned a video that used academic techniques to study something, and when I called it as such, I had people quoting me trying to debunk everything I said, including that a Youtube video can't be academic because it's not from an academy. No one actually wants to have a conversation anymore, and would rather "win" the discussion. Bonus points for flustering your opponent and getting them warned/banned when they reply in a tone you encouraged by being overly dismissive.

Thank you for the invite, and I will keep it in mind. Be sure though, if the site's culture doesn't feel more open to new people and ideas, I'm not going to be very invested, and any posts I would make will take on a more flippant and possibly trolly tone. I'm not a mean guy, but I do like to poke sleeping bears if they make it look fun. Many people here wear their vulnerabilities out on their sleeves, so when they've buried their heads in the sand during a conversation, it gets hard to not go for the obvious target to get them riled up for shutting down the talks. Saelune can attest to that back in the Wild West and one tiff we had there. Oddly, that mean jab actually worked and we had a much more honest conversation afterwards.
 

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For what it's worth I quite like the look of what I'm reading from the new EIC.

I'm not really much of a forum guy these days and this is the first time I've checked this place out in over a year or so but I'd be more than happy to give the V2 forums a looksee at some stage.
 

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I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it. It's that kind of environment I'm still worried about existing that keeps me from coming back. I could come back, invest myself into the community again, and then deal with all the heartache and drama that unfolds when I get dog-piled for not agreeing with some of the users here, and then eventually banned from what had become my hangout place, or I could just skip it all and talk with people in Youtube comments, because they have been far less combative than what I have to deal with here. You and I both know Youtube comments have a reputation, so either I'm in a nice corner of the website, or this site is that toxic.

Hell, a year and a half ago on my last post, I mentioned a video that used academic techniques to study something, and when I called it as such, I had people quoting me trying to debunk everything I said, including that a Youtube video can't be academic because it's not from an academy. No one actually wants to have a conversation anymore, and would rather "win" the discussion. Bonus points for flustering your opponent and getting them warned/banned when they reply in a tone you encouraged by being overly dismissive.

Thank you for the invite, and I will keep it in mind. Be sure though, if the site's culture doesn't feel more open to new people and ideas, I'm not going to be very invested, and any posts I would make will take on a more flippant and possibly trolly tone. I'm not a mean guy, but I do like to poke sleeping bears if they make it look fun. Many people here wear their vulnerabilities out on their sleeves, so when they've buried their heads in the sand during a conversation, it gets hard to not go for the obvious target to get them riled up for shutting down the talks. Saelune can attest to that back in the Wild West and one tiff we had there. Oddly, that mean jab actually worked and we had a much more honest conversation afterwards.
I don't do dogpiles and stuff like that will also be shut down because stuff like that is shit on social media in general and a determent to someone's mental health in ways people never think about. In fact, I got dogpiled by former staff of this very website just a couple months ago for simply asking for feedback from our readership on Twitter about what they'd like to see from this new direction we've been building for the past year.

Got people in my DMs threatening me and all that shit. None of that stuff flies here anymore with me in charge.

We'll have a policy fully written out at some point, I'm heads down in getting some stuff ready we'll be announcing very soon, but for me, working on this website / brand is a literal escape from social media. I'm building it around being a place that you can feel comfortable being in, and sharing different ideals (within reason, stay with me here folks).

So if you don't like how toxic places like Twitter, YouTube, ResetEra, NeoGAF is, whatever, I and the moderators are working to make sure that doesn't happen here.

That's the kind of site I want to run and be a part of and I'm doing what I can to help make sure it becomes that (which again, it really already has if you're actually commenting on the website, or even taking part in YouTube community posts). That's something I'm already immensely proud of getting started, and people are noticing, including developers and PR folk who have reached out and are excited to work with us again.

If you don't follow me on Twitter, we're even putting on a big E3 Indie Showcase this summer which is attracting a ton of attention and we're already up to showing 50+ games in it, plus doing livestreams all weekend and running an Extra Life fundraiser during.

We're on the right path.
 

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Saelune said:
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I guess it's all fine and cool to bring up some "concerns", but those that were once banned can't exactly defend themselves, now can they?
They had their entire time before being banned to prove they do not deserve to be banned.
We both know the main reason somebody gets a warning here is because of insensitive comments on a sensitive topic or being inflammatory in general. That's how I've got warnings, that's how you've got them too. If somebody really is that clear in their despicable intentions, they will get escorted to the figurative door quickly enough even with a temporary clean slate. There is no hydrophonic time chamber where one can train to become a Super Nazi troll.
 

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Signa said:
I don't know how long and how many chances you "gave" to Lunatic, but unless he was praising Hitler and saying that the Jews are a problem (something, I might add, he's never done behind our closed doors, even though the floor is open for him to do so), then there's nothing for him to prove.
You saw the post he got banned for, right? The 'evidence' isn't hard to find.

In the post he was banned, he was saying literal nazis brandishing weapons were merely "white people" who were simply practicing their "freedom of speech". He also tried to draw parallels between literal nazis and some of the activists in the Black Lives Matter movement.

If what you say is correct, and Lunatic is actually not like this in real life, then that doesn't let him off the hook. Because that means he was trolling, and so his ban is still legitimate. Because he shouldn't be trolling.
 

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Signa said:
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it.
There were a few words like that. Words that apparently had secret hidden meanings that I'd never even heard of. And we were supposed to just 'know' these words and meanings, to make sure we didn't use them.

It was crazy times.
 

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IceForce said:
Signa said:
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it.
There were a few words like that. Words that apparently had secret hidden meanings that I'd never even heard of. And we were supposed to just 'know' these words and meanings, to make sure we didn't use them.

It was crazy times.
I've heard something similar with regards to terms like "elites" or what have you. I think this is just the actual corrupt people in power (globalists and others) using antisemitism as a shield to deflect valid criticism. Because pointing out someone's corruption is antisemetic if they happen to be jewish apparently.
 

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IceForce said:
Signa said:
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it.
There were a few words like that. Words that apparently had secret hidden meanings that I'd never even heard of. And we were supposed to just 'know' these words and meanings, to make sure we didn't use them.

It was crazy times.
While that one took me by surprise, looking into it "globalism" actually is commonly used by white supremacists and the like to refer to some Jewish conspiracy or other. It seems it's a pretty new thing, though.
 

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Signa said:
Saelune said:
Nazi is a word to describe White Supremacists
See, I can agree with this statement, as is. Yes, Nazi bad. Racial supremacy bad. Agreed? Agreed.
...like The Lunatic who was blatantly racist against black people.
Now here's where you lose me. I never saw this, and coming from you, I'm going to have to take it with a grain of salt. You call everyone a Nazi to the point where it's a punchline when I see you say it [footnote]I know you're aware of "our obsession" with you on the discord server, but let me be very clear here. It's not YOU, Saelune, that we are specifically enthralled with. It's how you've become the embodiment of the hysterical, discharitable, and quite frankly, brainwashed extreme of the Extreme Left of the political compass. The -idea- of Saelune has transcended the person. You're the negative stereotype of the afroed blackman joyfully chowing down on watermelon and chicken. So absurd, and even insulting that all you can do is laugh.
And don't have any illusions about the frequency either. I doubt you get mentioned even once a month, but you'll be mentioned in question like "who actually does this?" "Probably Saelune" because its a meme.[/footnote]
They had their chance to prove they were not a Nazi for the many years they were here prior to being banned.
And this is where you've gone completely off the rails. No one needs to prove they're not a Nazi. You should just assume that they aren't. I don't know how long and how many chances you "gave" to Lunatic, but unless he was praising Hitler and saying that the Jews are a problem (something, I might add, he's never done behind our closed doors, even though the floor is open for him to do so), then there's nothing for him to prove. I could accuse you of being a Nazi, and say you've never proven to me you're not one. Anything you've said against Nazis is just lip-service to hide among us good folks. Then those accusations could stand around as I repeat them over and over, even to the community manager, and hope that the lie repeated long enough becomes the truth. For you and Lunatic, it already has.

Nick Calandra said:
This is another aspect where Gaddo and I butted heads all the time because he wanted this place to be the perfect echo chamber of perfect ideals, and I'm not about that. There's lines you don't cross and any reasonable person understands that. If they show a pattern of engaging in bad faith behavior, it's pretty clear and I've done this long enough to know what to look for.

There's always going to be someone that takes what I say and twist it, but I know what I'm doing and I'm confident we can have a fun and inviting forum with different points of view and the world will be OK.

You're more than welcome to join V2.
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it. It's that kind of environment I'm still worried about existing that keeps me from coming back. I could come back, invest myself into the community again, and then deal with all the heartache and drama that unfolds when I get dog-piled for not agreeing with some of the users here, and then eventually banned from what had become my hangout place, or I could just skip it all and talk with people in Youtube comments, because they have been far less combative than what I have to deal with here. You and I both know Youtube comments have a reputation, so either I'm in a nice corner of the website, or this site is that toxic.

Hell, a year and a half ago on my last post, I mentioned a video that used academic techniques to study something, and when I called it as such, I had people quoting me trying to debunk everything I said, including that a Youtube video can't be academic because it's not from an academy. No one actually wants to have a conversation anymore, and would rather "win" the discussion. Bonus points for flustering your opponent and getting them warned/banned when they reply in a tone you encouraged by being overly dismissive.

Thank you for the invite, and I will keep it in mind. Be sure though, if the site's culture doesn't feel more open to new people and ideas, I'm not going to be very invested, and any posts I would make will take on a more flippant and possibly trolly tone. I'm not a mean guy, but I do like to poke sleeping bears if they make it look fun. Many people here wear their vulnerabilities out on their sleeves, so when they've buried their heads in the sand during a conversation, it gets hard to not go for the obvious target to get them riled up for shutting down the talks. Saelune can attest to that back in the Wild West and one tiff we had there. Oddly, that mean jab actually worked and we had a much more honest conversation afterwards.
Perhaps your inability to see someone's bigotry is not MY problem? Your bottom paragraph tells me that maybe the problem here is your own perception of things.

People do not need to prove they are NOT a Nazi, until they do or say racist things that Nazis tend to do. If I find some white hooded robes in someone's closet, I would get suspicious. I actually give far more benefit of the doubt than you know. Unfortunately, it tends to fall through.

As Red Sentinel said, The Lunatic is unquestionably racist, and if you cannot see that from his banned post, thats your failing, not mine.
 

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McElroy said:
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McElroy said:
I guess it's all fine and cool to bring up some "concerns", but those that were once banned can't exactly defend themselves, now can they?
They had their entire time before being banned to prove they do not deserve to be banned.
We both know the main reason somebody gets a warning here is because of insensitive comments on a sensitive topic or being inflammatory in general. That's how I've got warnings, that's how you've got them too. If somebody really is that clear in their despicable intentions, they will get escorted to the figurative door quickly enough even with a temporary clean slate. There is no hydrophonic time chamber where one can train to become a Super Nazi troll.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I do think plenty of warnings and even bannings have been unjustified, but I also think the proof of that is also already there, since you can look at the warned post and read it. You can usually tell the difference between someone getting punished for saying racist shit, and someone being punished for calling out the racist shit.
 

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Signa said:
I know you're aware of "our obsession" with you on the discord server, but let me be very clear here. It's not YOU, Saelune, that we are specifically enthralled with. It's how you've become the embodiment of the hysterical, discharitable, and quite frankly, brainwashed extreme of the Extreme Left of the political compass. The -idea- of Saelune has transcended the person. You're the negative stereotype of the afroed blackman joyfully chowing down on watermelon and chicken. So absurd, and even insulting that all you can do is laugh.
And don't have any illusions about the frequency either. I doubt you get mentioned even once a month, but you'll be mentioned in question like "who actually does this?" "Probably Saelune" because its a meme.
Seriously though, thanks for justifying my views of your group. When you and others who oppose me say stuff like this, it just reassures me I am right as well as swells my ego. I often wonder if I have any impact on the world. Clearly I do. Thanks :)
 

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I'd rather banned people stay banned so we didn't have this old crap dragged into the new forums.
 

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Granted amnesty, Nazis mentioned...

So, who's our Verner von Braun, and who gets to to go to Nuremburg?
 

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Nick Calandra said:
If the (surviving) people/users, some who later also became mods, caused this divide and attempts to make it an echo-chamber..Then listening to them and keeping the rules that allowed them to flourish will only be repeating the mistake.

If you don't honestly want an echo-chamber..don't make current (or past) Escapist mods keep their title. Especially any doxxers.
Change the rules, and change the game.

P.S. Given the title of this thread, what it has turned into is quite ironic.. what with banned members having to be vetted by those that did the banning. Not off to a great start here.
 

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Vendor-Lazarus said:
Nick Calandra said:
If the (surviving) people/users, some who later also became mods, caused this divide and attempts to make it an echo-chamber..Then listening to them and keeping the rules that allowed them to flourish will only be repeating the mistake.

If you don't honestly want an echo-chamber..don't make current (or past) Escapist mods keep their title. Especially any doxxers.
Change the rules, and change the game.

P.S. Given the title of this thread, what it has turned into is quite ironic.. what with banned members having to be vetted by those that did the banning. Not off to a great start here.
Not seeing much activity on the new forum yet and hope people are moving there. This one is and has been broken. Not only is the new forum working, it has features like the ability to add attachments and a like button this place could have used years ago. I'm sure the worst of the worst will quickly be banned again.
 

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Vendor-Lazarus said:
Nick Calandra said:
If the (surviving) people/users, some who later also became mods, caused this divide and attempts to make it an echo-chamber..Then listening to them and keeping the rules that allowed them to flourish will only be repeating the mistake.

If you don't honestly want an echo-chamber..don't make current (or past) Escapist mods keep their title. Especially any doxxers.
Change the rules, and change the game.

P.S. Given the title of this thread, what it has turned into is quite ironic.. what with banned members having to be vetted by those that did the banning. Not off to a great start here.
Your issue with the mods, honestly, isn?t my issue and is more of an issue with how the previous community manager ran things here and is no longer involved. You don?t want to be involved in V2? Fine.

If you do, you follow our rules. Simple as that. Does that mean I?m not open to suggestions, no of course not. But you post in every thread about the mods being gone and it?s not happening.

Things are already much more relaxed with our previous CM gone, and they?re staying that way.

Some of you are also making way too big a deal out of hypothetical things happening and acting like we?re just going to let anyone in.

So before we lock this thread, here?s the final word. If there?s clear and ample evidence someone was banned from here for being a racist, Nazi...whatever, then they?re not getting back in. If someone got banned because, I guess as someone put it ?globalism? is now problematic, then we?ll look into it.

So yea, Vendor, we?re gonna vet people who were previously banned if it was a high-profile ban. That?s just due diligence considering the history here.

For the rest of you concerned that we?re gonna let racist Nazis overrun the forums, or have a platform, quit fear mongering about it. People new and old that come into the forums that break our rules will be taken care of.

We jumped on that imposter for Saelune within minutes of them being pointed out and immediately banned them. We?re on top of this and it?s the utmost importance that we are for the brand we?re trying to re-build.

So either come join the new forums, get a fresh start and make new friends or don?t.
 

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Nick Calandra said:
Signa said:
Nick Calandra said:
Red Sentinel said:
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The Lunatic. The Lunatic is a Nazi but it took for fucking ever for them to finally be banned for it.
Lunatic was banned before Nick even made an account here. Let's give him a chance to prove himself and not drag up baggage from before his time.
This thread is literally about letting Lunatic (and everyone else) back in again.

People have a right to be concerned.
We're not letting "everyone" back in. The current mods are informing me of folks that really shouldn't be let back in for a variety of reasons. I've heard enough about some folks to know they're not getting back in. We're just talking smaller infractions here, and again, it's a case by case basis.
Just so you're clear here, Nick, "Nazi" is a word that's being thrown around at those that aren't allowed to defend themselves, because some people here are not willing to ignore or engage with them. I've been in a Discord server with a bunch of these Escapist pariahs for over two years now, and not one has been seen spouting national socialist ideals, or even white supremacist ideals. Not even in private with others who have been forced out or wronged by this community for not agreeing with everything that's said.

Skipping over the 5 or so ranty topics that just popped into my head that don't really need to be addressed unprompted, I hope you're taking the information you receive with a grain of salt, from literally everyone. There's been a lot of bad blood between two sides of the community, and even the mod team, and no one that I see still posting here will ever give someone a charitable chance if they disagree with something they said. I don't envy you throwing yourself into the middle of it all, and I hope they don't tear you apart. From what I've seen while I occasionally lurk, you're an actually cool dude that's probably going to bow to the pressure from the very loud, obnoxious people still posting here, still making participation in this community impossible if you're not already part of the in-group. I'd like to join your V2 forums, and get a fresh start, since I've been related to this community for a third of my life, but the lack of openness and welcoming I've seen will prevent that. If this is to be the fresh start you want it to be, everyone should be let back in so you can ban the ones that actually misbehave, instead of letting that bad blood get in the way all over again.

Good luck out there.
I'm looking at tangible evidence when it comes to not letting some people back in. I get it from both sides lol. Facebook thinks we're all SJWs, Twitter thinks we're all alt-right...

As long as people are decent to one another I'm not going to bow to pressure on that. Not everyone is going to agree with my policies, but I'm not taking sides with one part of the community or the other.

This is another aspect where Gaddo and I butted heads all the time because he wanted this place to be the perfect echo chamber of perfect ideals, and I'm not about that. There's lines you don't cross and any reasonable person understands that. If they show a pattern of engaging in bad faith behavior, it's pretty clear and I've done this long enough to know what to look for.

There's always going to be someone that takes what I say and twist it, but I know what I'm doing and I'm confident we can have a fun and inviting forum with different points of view and the world will be OK.

You're more than welcome to join V2.
The best answer in this thread. It sucks you got shit from people who claim to be SJW's, alt right, or whatever they want to identify themselves as for egotistical and stupid pride reasons. I can already tell you're a cool guy. You'll do great. Don't let any of those bitches-in-a-box-stand tell you differently. What I seen so far, the V2 forums are in great hands. If you need any advice on forum moderation, I recommend asking the mods on the Devil May Cry forums. They usually know when the spot bullshit immediately.