Banned from the UK

[teacupthesauceror]

I didn't read all of this - has there been any mention of this guy who has come to the UK to talk about Euthanasia recently? From Australia? Dr Philip Nitschke. There was some controversy about him being let it, he is roaming the country telling people that they should kill themselves, and selling them his kit which helps them do it. He's telling them what drugs to get and how to get them, and his machine helps sort out the dosage. I think he was selling exit bags as well.

Generally I'm pretty open minded but I'm afraid I've been affected by these issues and I think it's sick. I'm all for free-speech, but surely by aiding people in the way that he has been doing he is contravening British Law.

One thing I have a massive problem with, I'm not sure if this guy is advocating it, but certainly I think the guy in Switzerland is, is Euthanasia for people with mental disorders. I find that so sickening. Illnesses like depression and bi-polar are treatable conditions which sadly can lead to temporary thoughts of suicide, and to think that people would want there to be the option for people, who when they are feeling vulnerable, might be convinced that there are options, and that it is a viable choice, for them to kill themselves is really shocking and upsetting.

I believe "mental disorders" does not exclusively mean depression and bipolar disorder. It includes far more debilitating conditions up to and including an almost total shutdown of the higher functions. Many people with mental disorders are unable to look after themselves and have a very low quality of life, whatever that may mean. Now, if this doctor is suggesting euthanasia for severe depressives, that is very irresponsible and should be discouraged, as depression is very treatable and suicide rates are bad enough already. If, however, he is suggesting that people with a low quality of life, who are a strain on the health service and can never be treated, that's more of a grey area, wouldn't you say?

They won't allow "hate mongers" in, but Prince Whatever his name is runs around dressed as a Nazi for halloween.
Another prince tries to pass himself off as the bloody unibomber (anti modern building speech.)

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Apparently the people that wrote the list have forgotten the phrase "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me."

Prince Harry is a UK National and so cannot be exiled. And there are no laws against being a complete and utter prat, he didn't mean to offend anyone, and he didn't say "The Nazis were right! Let's kill us some jews!", or the same but in a more subtle and insidious way.

Have you forgotten the main weapon of politicians? WORDS, yes, words. Killed more people than nuclear weapons have words. And by words I of course mean propoganda, but then again, that's what these people are banned for, using propoganda to spread hatred and intolerance.

 

[asinann]

Dear Yanks,

You ban a lot more people from your country than we do, I don't think you guys realise just how paranoid is about people from other countries. Hell there's British artists that get denied entrance to the US because of a drug charge ALL THE TIME.

Only difference is our Government (stupidly) decided to give the latest banned people some publicity. Don't worry tho, the inept Government that did this will be gone in about a year.

Ummm, they committed a CRIME. They are banned as CRIMINALS.
Some of the people on that list have been charged with absolutely nothing. Big brother just doesn't like what they say because it MIGHT cause SOMEONE ELSE to commit are crime.
Then again, I've always been told that I am responsible for my own behavior when I do something wrong.

And as far as the Autism thing goes, it IS massively over diagnosed.
Probably not 99% over done, but I'm guessing that closer to 75% of all autism cases are just parents that are too busy trying to be their kids' friends to discipline them so the brat is out of control.
Autism is the new ADHD.
It's also gold for the drug companies.

I know the cure for ADHD, no one likes it, but I know how to cure most cases of it.
Little brat wont sit down and pay attention, backhand them. After a few of these the little brat sits down and pays attention, it's cheap, it's effective and as for evidence, it was used for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before people turned into "protect the children" nutjobs.

 

[teacupthesauceror]

Inciting hatred is a crime in the UK, and one they would likely be charged with were they let in. And how many people who cite the Big Brother argument have actually read the book?

 

[Sewblon]

I disagree with this measure, by banning people who have not committed a crime they are setting a precedent for banning people without due process of law and extending the definition of ban-worthy to everyone the disagree with and anyone who looks at them funny. If I got the chance, I would banish Seth Macfarlane, those gay episcopal clerics who threw me out of my church, Fred from youtube, everyone who works at Gamespot, the departments of interior, health, education, state, commerce and Tim Geitner. See if you start banishing people who committed no crime society starts collapsing.

 

[teacupthesauceror]

People assume that the government is being malicious, but it's actually acting as an overprotective parent, trying to stop all the bad things getting to its innocent little offspring. Hence the car seat rule, Jamie Oliver's school dinners and the "If You Don't Have Anything Nice to Say..." rule. Okay, still horribly horrible, but at least less conducive to totalitarianism.

 

[SomeBritishDude]

*Put's his head in hands*

Pack up darling, we're moving to Holland

 

[Cowabungaa]

*Put's his head in hands*

Pack up darling, we're moving to Holland

You'd be suprised how bad it's becoming here as well. The Dutch government is also changing into an overprotective mum.

Anyway, not that I agree with those protesters or something, o no I dispise the Westboro church, but this strikes me:

Coming to this country is a privilege. We won't allow people into this country who are going to propagate the sort of views... that fundamentally go against our values.

Excuse et moi? Since when are your values equal to those of the whole country? You realise that the population of said country is made up by a lot of individuals.
Now if those anti-gay protesters would actually say things like "Exteriminate the gays" or simply "Kill fags" or something, yes thát is activily preaching violence and thus crimes. But are they doing that? No I don't think so, as much as I'm revolted by the things they say, I don't see them calling out for lynching parties. If that happens, I think it's justified to keep them out of the country, or prosicute if they're citizens of your own country. Again, as much as I'm disgusted by those folks, if they want to spread hate, why should I block them? Let them hate, they're the idiots, I'll just ignore it. It changes when they're propagating violence ofcourse.

Ummm, they committed a CRIME. They are banned as CRIMINALS.

So even when you served your time and your criminal actions are in a far flung past, you're still a criminal?

 

[sheppard419]

If the US had the same hate = ban policy most of the world wouldnt be allowed in our country

 

[bjj hero]

And as far as the Autism thing goes, it IS massively over diagnosed.
Probably not 99% over done, but I'm guessing that closer to 75% of all autism cases are just parents that are too busy trying to be their kids' friends to discipline them so the brat is out of control.
Autism is the new ADHD.
It's also gold for the drug companies.

I know the cure for ADHD, no one likes it, but I know how to cure most cases of it.
Little brat wont sit down and pay attention, backhand them. After a few of these the little brat sits down and pays attention, it's cheap, it's effective and as for evidence, it was used for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before people turned into "protect the children" nutjobs.

First, Where are your sources backing that 3/4 of autism cases are from bad parenting?

Second, back handing a child is assault. Would you support your boss at work striking you everytime you mess about, are late or not quick enough at work? The peasants/slaves/workers have been thrashed for being lazy for thousands of years before we became "lefty, pinko, socialist, workers rights and anti-slavery/serfdom" nutjobs. Cheap and effective.