Or they could just be entirely awesome and throw Prometheus or Deathstroke or Bane in, by far some of the best batman villains.
Well, I guess Prometheus and Deathstroke are really just DC villains.
I would love for Deathstroke to be in there. (Funny, since he nearly kills Batman in the DC Universe Online trailer, and is quite a bad ass.) He is my new favorite DC character.
Yeah, Deathstroke is probably one of my favorite villains. In the comics though, he beats the hell out of Batman on a pretty regular basis.
I'd actually like to see Ivy, if they did her 'Batman: Arkham Asylum' style.
They could always bring Ra's Al Ghul back also.
Tyro The Fox said:
Big hitters like Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and The Joker will pull in a greater audiences than The Red Hood. Even if Robin is inside. The more recognisable villains such as Bane, The Riddler or...errr...Prometheus even, would bring in bigger crowds without having to explain relatively minor part of the Batman history.
I would argue that most people don't know who Prometheus is and just thought he was a one note villain when they saw the 'Batman: Arkham Asylum' cameo. Y'know, despite him almost killing the entire JLA twice.
Thank you for people who understood i ment the second Red Hood.
Tyro The Fox said:
WolfThomas said:
Adremmalech said:
They can't and won't do The Red Hood.
- In Nolan's universe, The Joker has no origin. The Red Hood was a bad idea by DC to give an origin story to The Joker.
- In order for Jason Todd to become Red Hood II, he must be introduced, become Robin, and then be "killed" by The Joker. Chris Nolan has already said The Joker is not coming back.
I don't see why any of that is necessary. As you said the film is already different from the comics. What does it matter if there was never an original red hood? As I suggested above you might be able to do Robin/Red Hood with some huge tweaking of the characters. This might piss of some comic fans, but hey it's already a different continuity and if anyone can do it right it's Nolan.
I'm not an expert but I don't understand why Warner Brothers would allow a film to be made about a relatively minor leaguer in the Rouge's Gallery. Big hitters like Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and The Joker will pull in a greater audiences than The Red Hood. Even if Robin is inside. The more recognisable villains such as Bane, The Riddler or...errr...Prometheus even, would bring in bigger crowds without having to explain relatively minor part of the Batman history.
You're right he wouldn't be a big enough pull. But on the other hand Ra Al Ghul wasn't really a well known villain (comparative wise) until the movie came out.
The Nolan pattern is to have a main villain (Scarecrow, Joker) and a more hidden, anti hero-esque character in the background (Ra's Al Ghul, Two-Face).
I don't want Red Hood, because as an over-the-top fan of the comics, Red Hood is either the Joker pre-Joker, or Jason Todd, after he's already been Robin. And I don't want to see the character made into someone utterly unrelated to the original character, which they would have to to fit Red Hood in there.
To givbe a little explanation of my feelings, Begins and The Dark Knight were based heavily off Year One and the Long Halloween, which I thought was fantastic. The plots were so similar to the comics, and the characters very close to their original counterparts. So to throw all that away for the third movie strikes me as a waste.
The problem I have as a reader is that basically it's at this point in the Batman continuity that all the really weird villains start getting introduced. If you adopt a sort of mock timeline then it goes like this:
Batman: Year One, he fights mob bosses and crime lords, and Catwoman appears
The Man Who Laughed: He fights the Joker
Legends of the Dark Knight: Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc, Mad Hatter, Prometheus, Firefly all make their first 'canon' appearances in these comics
The Long Halloween: The Riddler, Catwoman, most of the above mentioned villains (apart from Corc, Prometheus, Firefly and Clayface) and Two-Face is created.
Dark Victory: Same as Long Halloween, only that Dick Grayson's Robin is introduced.
So as a big fan of continuity, I feel like they've already stretched it as far as I'd like, because I am a big fan of the comics. Since they've said they won't introduce Robin, the only thing that I want to see is them going through the 'Legends' stories, but they've also said they want to keep the stories grounded in reality.
I get the feeling this is where I and the Nolan movies are going to part ways.
I'm not an expert but I don't understand why Warner Brothers would allow a film to be made about a relatively minor leaguer in the Rouge's Gallery. Big hitters like Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and The Joker will pull in a greater audiences than The Red Hood. Even if Robin is inside. The more recognisable villains such as Bane, The Riddler or...errr...Prometheus even, would bring in bigger crowds without having to explain relatively minor part of the Batman history.
Oh well I'm not saying you would only have Red Hood, much like the other films you could have two or more villains. I'm simply saying we can ignore all the original Red Hood crap if it allows us a way to have Robin in a movie that isn't lame. I wouldn't keep him as Red Hood the whole film, I'd make him Robin by mid way.
Robin is an important part of the Batman mythos and I feel it's too hasty for Nolan just to say he won't ever use that character. I feel Nolan could easily make Robin believeable and awesome. So yeah audiences would not be pulled by Red Hood but by Robin. Much like prior to the Dark Knight people were curious as to how they'd pull off the joker, this time people would want to see how they handeled Robin.
I'm not a comic reader AT ALL. But I think that Hush seems to offer the best "story" aspect of any villain, maybe other than Riddler if sone right. This is all assuming he was cast as the villain (as far as I know, its only said he's been cast. He's likely the bad guy though).
From what I know, Hush is such a similar character to Bruce but turned bad. He offers a chance at being a great villain in prescence. But also a good story to build around too. It could show Bruce struggling between dealing with the people in his Batman persona and people firm his Bruce persona conflicting with his Batman persona. Or somethingnlike that. Or showing his past continuing to haunt him in many ways.
You can't claim that any villains are unusable due to lack of public knowledge, because Liam Neeson's character wasn't exactly The Joker in regards to awareness.
- In Nolan's universe, The Joker has no origin. The Red Hood was a bad idea by DC to give an origin story to The Joker.
- In order for Jason Todd to become Red Hood II, he must be introduced, become Robin, and then be "killed" by The Joker. Chris Nolan has already said The Joker is not coming back.
I don't see why any of that is necessary. As you said the film is already different from the comics. What does it matter if there was never an original red hood? As I suggested above you might be able to do Robin/Red Hood with some huge tweaking of the characters. This might piss of some comic fans, but hey it's already a different continuity and if anyone can do it right it's Nolan.
If Joker was never Red Hood, it bares no significance for Jason to don the mask. In the comic, donning the mask of your killer is a hell of a lot of significance. Where's Red Hood II's edge without the original?
Either way, like Tyro The Fox pointed out Hood's such an obscure character that Legendary won't have him in their picture for fear of alienating the general public.
1. That who ever it is will be a very realistic villain. No Mr. Freeze with his ice gun or anything over the top like that.
2. That Robin will have nothing to do with it. Nolan has said on more than one occasion that as long as he is in charge that Robin will make no appearance of any kind.
It probably will be the Riddler though. It makes a lot of sense as a followup to the Joker. but he may be a little too similar to the Joker. So who knows.
If Joker was never Red Hood, it bares no significance for Jason to don the mask. In the comic, donning the mask of your killer is a hell of a lot of significance. Where's Red Hood II's edge without the original?
Either way, like Tyro The Fox pointed out Hood's such an obscure character that Legendary won't have him in their picture for fear of alienating the general public.
I guess we're looking at this quite differently. I only really want Red Hood in some manner because I feel it may somehow give us a Nolan-compatible Robin origin before he becomes Robin. I don't think that he should be the main villain, I agree Red Hood would make a bad main villain for the film, we should have someone like Bane, Black Mask etc.
So yeah I don't really care about Red Hood, but I do feel strongly that Nolan could make a re-imagined Robin just as good as his Batman, Joker and everyone else. Even if this has to be at the extense of carving up some continuity and characters, this shouldn't be a problem if it's good.
I'm not an expert but I don't understand why Warner Brothers would allow a film to be made about a relatively minor leaguer in the Rouge's Gallery. Big hitters like Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and The Joker will pull in a greater audiences than The Red Hood. Even if Robin is inside. The more recognisable villains such as Bane, The Riddler or...errr...Prometheus even, would bring in bigger crowds without having to explain relatively minor part of the Batman history.
Oh well I'm not saying you would only have Red Hood, much like the other films you could have two or more villains. I'm simply saying we can ignore all the original Red Hood crap if it allows us a way to have Robin in a movie that isn't lame. I wouldn't keep him as Red Hood the whole film, I'd make him Robin by mid way.
Robin is an important part of the Batman mythos and I feel it's too hasty for Nolan just to say he won't ever use that character. I feel Nolan could easily make Robin believeable and awesome. So yeah audiences would not be pulled by Red Hood but by Robin. Much like prior to the Dark Knight people were curious as to how they'd pull off the joker, this time people would want to see how they handeled Robin.
Thank you for people who understood i ment the second Red Hood.
Tyro The Fox said:
WolfThomas said:
Adremmalech said:
They can't and won't do The Red Hood.
- In Nolan's universe, The Joker has no origin. The Red Hood was a bad idea by DC to give an origin story to The Joker.
- In order for Jason Todd to become Red Hood II, he must be introduced, become Robin, and then be "killed" by The Joker. Chris Nolan has already said The Joker is not coming back.
I don't see why any of that is necessary. As you said the film is already different from the comics. What does it matter if there was never an original red hood? As I suggested above you might be able to do Robin/Red Hood with some huge tweaking of the characters. This might piss of some comic fans, but hey it's already a different continuity and if anyone can do it right it's Nolan.
I'm not an expert but I don't understand why Warner Brothers would allow a film to be made about a relatively minor leaguer in the Rouge's Gallery. Big hitters like Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and The Joker will pull in a greater audiences than The Red Hood. Even if Robin is inside. The more recognisable villains such as Bane, The Riddler or...errr...Prometheus even, would bring in bigger crowds without having to explain relatively minor part of the Batman history.
You're right he wouldn't be a big enough pull. But on the other hand Ra Al Ghul wasn't really a well known villain (comparative wise) until the movie came out.
They bundled him with Scarecrow, who is a larger hitter, to help carry the film. The films focus is on Bruce anyhoo. Although, Ra's al Ghul's implementation was certainly interesting.
As some are aware the new villain for Chris Nolan's Batman saga has been casted. Tom Hardy from Nolan's summer smash Inception has been cast as the bats new nemesis. Here is the kicker though, is hasn't been made clear which villain he will portray. So now it is time for us the interweb alumni to speculate.
Other than the Riddler, which is the biggest elephant in the room, let's try and get creative, and come up with some other baddy in the Dark Knight's Rouge Gallery.
I think the Red Hood would be cool, I know that it's Robin, but I think he could be a good character to relate to Bruce's past. Something which Nolan seems to like. And here we go...
First off the Red Hood is ONE of the Robin's secondly I am pretty sure you should have mentioned that THE PENGUIN was shot down as an idea for the villain MONTHS ago.
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