Is that so? Then I am expecting more of the same soulless stupid action shit that was Man of Steel.StewShearer said:
Batman and Superman "Facing Off" in Man of Steel Sequel
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The idea of the Batman from the films holding his own against Superman is ridiculous. And he really hasn't held his own in the comics, usually the best he does is when Superman's feeling charitable. That and Batman scales with the threat, making both the Joker AND veritable Gods equal threats. that's the sort of thing that gets played for laughs when Squirrel Girl wins fights, but in Batman, it's SOP.ninjaRiv said:
Bat-Plot-Armour and Bat-Fan-Wank are both extensions of his primary power. He scales because he's the embodiment of a Chuck Norris joke gone wild.Spot1990 said:
Batman is there because "wouldn't it be cool if we had all the best characters there?" And that's the source of the lazy writing that surrounds Batman. They need to justify his place there by making him useful somehow.
At first this is quite a good idea, as a stepping stone to a Justice League movie
Have the heroes join up over the course of several movies instead of just one (Especially since the Justice League does not have something like S.H.I.E.L.D. to gather them systematically) with the two big ones getting their own movie
Also the first thing that comes to mind is the animated Worlds Finest (The 97 Dini one)who is quite a good take on how and why the two heroes would react to each other
Then I hear them quoting Millers batwank of a comic and my enthusiasm slips a bit
Then I hear that they let Nolan produce I can no longer muster anything other than a resounding "MEH"
At least the will be finding a new Batman to replace Bale
But how to threaten the man of steel? Well let's see
1)There have been no hits of Kryptonite yet (But that does not mean that it can't be introduced)
2) Since Nolan is involved we can probably rule out magic
3) Red sunlight is still a factor, and have been made into a weapon in both the comic and the animated universe
4) Match him in strength (There's plenty to choose from even non-kryptonian)
5) Other ways to bypass his invulnerability (Personally I remember; sonic, electric, light and neural based weapons used on him to great effect)
None of these even have to be individuals, the green lantern movie already hinted at project Cadmus, who have the most advanced weaponry in the world (And without seeing the movie, I am guessing that after the man of steel movie they probably have some Kryptonian ones too)
Or Intergang the hightech terrorists with alien weapons, which could also hint at the sequel where they need the whole Justice league.
Both are probably too big for this movie but the idea is the same, as long as the mooks can hurt him their numbers and the fact that they are extendible make more than enough tension for you to not need anyone as powerful as Superman.
(Could "just" be Luthor arming some mooks with hitech weapons capable of hurting superman, maybe Metallo , who even without his Kryptonite heart is more than capable of trading blows with supes, for the big finale)
Have the heroes join up over the course of several movies instead of just one (Especially since the Justice League does not have something like S.H.I.E.L.D. to gather them systematically) with the two big ones getting their own movie
Also the first thing that comes to mind is the animated Worlds Finest (The 97 Dini one)who is quite a good take on how and why the two heroes would react to each other
Then I hear them quoting Millers batwank of a comic and my enthusiasm slips a bit
Then I hear that they let Nolan produce I can no longer muster anything other than a resounding "MEH"
At least the will be finding a new Batman to replace Bale
But how to threaten the man of steel? Well let's see
1)There have been no hits of Kryptonite yet (But that does not mean that it can't be introduced)
2) Since Nolan is involved we can probably rule out magic
3) Red sunlight is still a factor, and have been made into a weapon in both the comic and the animated universe
4) Match him in strength (There's plenty to choose from even non-kryptonian)
5) Other ways to bypass his invulnerability (Personally I remember; sonic, electric, light and neural based weapons used on him to great effect)
None of these even have to be individuals, the green lantern movie already hinted at project Cadmus, who have the most advanced weaponry in the world (And without seeing the movie, I am guessing that after the man of steel movie they probably have some Kryptonian ones too)
Or Intergang the hightech terrorists with alien weapons, which could also hint at the sequel where they need the whole Justice league.
Both are probably too big for this movie but the idea is the same, as long as the mooks can hurt him their numbers and the fact that they are extendible make more than enough tension for you to not need anyone as powerful as Superman.
(Could "just" be Luthor arming some mooks with hitech weapons capable of hurting superman, maybe Metallo , who even without his Kryptonite heart is more than capable of trading blows with supes, for the big finale)
In my generation's version of "I Am Legend"* the world ended while the Woodstock documentary was still playing in theaters.HardkorSB said:I just realized something:
In the movie I Am Legend, the end of humanity came just as the Batman/Superman movie was released.
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Captcha: enjoy life
Damn right, I only have 2 years left.
*The Omega Man
I believe it was a couple months earlier when Nick Fury showed up post credits in the first Iron Man movie to talk to Tony about the Avengers Initiative.Caramel Frappe said:
I'll speak for those fans. I've always been a pretty open minded person. You are forgetting a part of the movie my friend. After he killed him he had an emotional break down. He was on his knees hanging on to Lois crying. It was just a big "No". It was a bigger deal then you make it out to be.Spot1990 said:
For me it actually set some good character beats that could be followed up on in a sequel movie. That is if the movie were a solo movie. Man of Steel 2 to me should be called Man of Tomorrow and should follow his actual rise to being the Superman we all know and love, dealing with his murdering of Zod as well as establishing "The Rule" because of it, and also dealing with the presence of Lex Luthor.
Everybody in this thread who is complaining about Zod being killed by Superman is quite frankly the most oblivious people on the planet. Especially if they are calling themselves Superman fans. I knew it would happen too. As soon as I saw that I was like"The fans are gonna be pissed" and I was right. Man of Steel was an origin story and a different origin STYLE than the previous Batman movies. In those Batman gets his origin and status as a "symbol" in one movie. Man of Steel just focused on the actual origin party of Supes which means his rule THE RULE didn't exist yet. Sure he was a good guy and didn't want people to get hurt and while I would've like a Superman that didn't kill on simple principal alone I knew something like that had to give in this modern day of grim and gritty (which I blame on Frank Miller's Dark Knight)
The next movie could show Superman becoming the symbol that he is. It could show him trying to be an impossibly good guy and establishing THE RULE that he lives and dies by in the comics. They could probably still do that with Batman in it but it would be hard. The two, in all the universes I've seen, when they first meet they never really just hit it off. There is always a little initial tension but that gets alleviated and they become best friends. I just don't want this movie to be a Bat centric film.
The next movie could show Superman becoming the symbol that he is. It could show him trying to be an impossibly good guy and establishing THE RULE that he lives and dies by in the comics. They could probably still do that with Batman in it but it would be hard. The two, in all the universes I've seen, when they first meet they never really just hit it off. There is always a little initial tension but that gets alleviated and they become best friends. I just don't want this movie to be a Bat centric film.
Yeah, he even keeps the ring on his utility belt at all times, it's part of his standard load-out. If Superman does flip out, you wouldn't want to have to make a trip back to the Batcave to grab it.MeChaNiZ3D said:
Beyond that though, Batman is arguably even more Deus Ex Machina than Superman. Provided he has time to analyze the foe he's going to be facing down, he will ALWAYS find their weakness and exploit the hell out of it.
He can literally take down every single member of the Justice League single handedly, since apparently he keeps files on ALL of them on how he can kick their asses if need be. Seriously, nothing can beat the Bat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLA:_Tower_of_Babel
One thing I found funny was an episode of the justice league animated series where Batman was kidnapped and none of the heroes could extort information from the villains to find out where he was (they didn't have Martian Manhunter yet).Spot1990 said:
Batman's a great manipulator, and a great strategist, even if you have somebody who can do the job better, it doens't mean you shouldn't have backups or second opinions.
It's not that he loved killing, it's that he killed, and he did have a choice, but that's an argument for another thread.immortalfrieza said:
Maybe the reason Superman doesn't kill is because he was a guy who put on a costume and went out to help people, that's it. Telling a person like that, that they should kill is incredibly selfish, he's not a murderer (at least before MoS), but according to you anybody with abilities who wants to help others should act only according to your vision.
It's a matter of WHO he's fighting that makes the difference. Superman would be a dick, if not outright evil, if he just killed any random thug who broke the law when they can't even scratch him. However, Superman goes up against threats able to demolish cities if not wipe out all of Earth pretty much every time. These kind of people are DANGEROUS, it's perfectly reasonable that he would kill them given the chance. Zod was going to kill all life on the planet, and even then Superman only killed him when he had no other choice. His choices were either let those people die, or kill Zod, there was no way he could have possibly got out of that.Warachia said:
Wait... Are they going in the direction of the animated DC/WB movies where each of those movies had their own interpretation of the characters of the JL universe, with each of their stories being their own isolated incident overall (with the exception of a few of them, of course), yet you can still go into any of those movies without having to (actually) watch any of the other animated DC/WB movies that came out beforehand... and just know the general consensus of who each of the main DC characters are within the given animated DC/WB movie?
If that's the case... then, this is an interesting starting point to go on... especially when they're still going to try to connect them all together... and within the same current established universe...
If they can pull this all off in the end, in any given way whatsoever, then more power to them... But, given the initial feedback, the chips are staked against them, for sure... Meanwhile, I'm just going to be in the neutral standpoint in all this and watch how all this develops as time goes by...
If that's the case... then, this is an interesting starting point to go on... especially when they're still going to try to connect them all together... and within the same current established universe...
If they can pull this all off in the end, in any given way whatsoever, then more power to them... But, given the initial feedback, the chips are staked against them, for sure... Meanwhile, I'm just going to be in the neutral standpoint in all this and watch how all this develops as time goes by...
I'm surprised no one presented this video yet.
Unless I missed it. >.>
Okay, my position is neutral ... I'm neither a hardcore fan of Superman and Batman. (Even though I am wearing a Batman shirt right now.
)
I prefer Aquaman ... but nope, we haven't got a movie about him yet.
I agree what Joe said in the video, Superman needs a bit more screentime.
And it just seems like they are trying to rush the Justice League movie out. (Even though I think we need a Aquaman and definitely a Green Lantern reboot.)
Either then that, I hope they don't do a Batman beating Superman thing as suggested in the video.
Then again, I have no idea what I'm saying ... I'm not so much into Superheroes.
Unless I missed it. >.>
Okay, my position is neutral ... I'm neither a hardcore fan of Superman and Batman. (Even though I am wearing a Batman shirt right now.
)I prefer Aquaman ... but nope, we haven't got a movie about him yet.
I agree what Joe said in the video, Superman needs a bit more screentime.
And it just seems like they are trying to rush the Justice League movie out. (Even though I think we need a Aquaman and definitely a Green Lantern reboot.)
Either then that, I hope they don't do a Batman beating Superman thing as suggested in the video.
Then again, I have no idea what I'm saying ... I'm not so much into Superheroes.
I do hope they reimagine Batman for this, the Nolan Batman is a bit too realistic to go toe-to-toe with Superman. We need the kind of batman that has fifty different Batsuits and crazy gadgets. Maybe he could reverse-engineer some cool weapons from the rubble of Kryptonian Tech.
Also I really hope they do Wonder Woman at some point...I doubt they'd go with magic though, they could tie her with Superman by having the gods of myth be ancient Kryptonians who landed on Earth. There were a few empty chambers in that scout ship.
Also I really hope they do Wonder Woman at some point...I doubt they'd go with magic though, they could tie her with Superman by having the gods of myth be ancient Kryptonians who landed on Earth. There were a few empty chambers in that scout ship.